Trade between Utah and GS agreed on

[Jazzy Cougar]

@daldridgetnt: Source says the Warriors are sending Andris Biedrins, Richard Jefferson to the Jazz. Checking on what they're getting back.

[Inigo Montoya]

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[spoonhoops]

Iggy going to GS for 4/48

[spoonhoops]

We have to be getting Barnes.

[Yi Jian Lian]

Utah definitely not getting Barnes. lol, maybe the lakers

[BigAlymphoma]

It's a salary dump. We're getting expirings for essentially nothing.

W/e.

[JazzFan32]

There better be more the Jazz are getting back, otherwise this is stupid deal.

[d-will8]

Why are making a deal for two veteran scrubs that allows a future conference rival to sign Iguodala? We better be getting something else too. Otherwise this makes zero sense.

[The59Sound]

We're obviously getting something else in return... but if it's just one first round pick, I'll be pretty disappointed.

[Inigo Montoya]

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[spoonhoops]

No way Barnes goes to Lakers

[pickIBL]

some type of compensation has to be coming back. the trade just broke.

[Jazzfan154]

We better get Barnes.

[Inigo Montoya]

Why are making a deal for two veteran scrubs that allows a future conference rival to sign Iguodala? We better be getting something else too. Otherwise this makes zero sense.

that's actually good.
1.they are vets who can show the young guys the ropes.
2. they are scrubs, so they won't start over our young players and accept a role off the bench.
3. they are both expiring contracts, so they'll free up 20M of cap space at the end of the year.
4. the jazz got role players without committing to long term salaries and didn't give away stupid contracts.
5. we must be getting something of value as well. TBD what this is.
6. now that the GSW signed iggy, it is possible barnes will be moved. and since the GSW pulled out of the D12 race, we might be the ones getting barnes.

[Jazzy Cougar]

Warriors not pursuing Howard anymore, also I think Barnes or Klay is going to Utah, they still don't have enough for Iggy with Biedrins and Jefferson gone

[The59Sound]

Why are making a deal for two veteran scrubs that allows a future conference rival to sign Iguodala? We better be getting something else too. Otherwise this makes zero sense.

that's actually good.
1.they are vets who can show the young guys the ropes.
2. they are scrubs, so they won't start over our young players and accept a role off the bench.
3. they are both expiring contracts, so they'll free up 20M of cap space at the end of the year.
4. the jazz got role players without committing to long term salaries and didn't give away stupid contracts.
5. we must be getting something of value as well. TBD what this is.
6. now that the GSW signed iggy, it is possible barnes will be moved. and since the GSW pulled out of the D12 race, we might be the ones getting barnes.

This all makes good sense to me.

[spoonhoops]

Why are making a deal for two veteran scrubs that allows a future conference rival to sign Iguodala? We better be getting something else too. Otherwise this makes zero sense.

that's actually good.
1.they are vets who can show the young guys the ropes.
2. they are scrubs, so they won't start over our young players and accept a role off the bench.
3. they are both expiring contracts, so they'll free up 20M of cap space at the end of the year.
4. the jazz got role players without committing to long term salaries and didn't give away stupid contracts.
5. we must be getting something of value as well. TBD what this is.
6. now that the GSW signed iggy, it is possible barnes will be moved. and since the GSW pulled out of the D12 race, we might be the ones getting barnes.

This all makes good sense to me.

This is also why we don't want Bogut. Look, I really like Bogut and think he could do well with the Jazz, but we don't need an extra 5 wins next season because of Bogut. If we exceed expectations next year I want it to be because of our core group.

[d-will8]

Why are making a deal for two veteran scrubs that allows a future conference rival to sign Iguodala? We better be getting something else too. Otherwise this makes zero sense.

that's actually good.
1.they are vets who can show the young guys the ropes.
2. they are scrubs, so they won't start over our young players and accept a role off the bench.
3. they are both expiring contracts, so they'll free up 20M of cap space at the end of the year.
4. the jazz got role players without committing to long term salaries and didn't give away stupid contracts.
5. we must be getting something of value as well. TBD what this is.
6. now that the GSW signed iggy, it is possible barnes will be moved. and since the GSW pulled out of the D12 race, we might be the ones getting barnes.

I agree with some of what you're saying, but I think it's yet to be determined whether this move is good. I agree that it could be good to have some vets who can show the young guys the ropes. I do not agree, however, that the fact that RJ and Biedrins are scrubs necessarily means they won't start over young players. The sting from memories of Josh Howard, Raja Bell, Randy Foye, etc. is still too fresh for me to believe that. Also, considering we would have had the 20M in cap space regardless of whether we made this trade, I don't think that really makes this a good trade.

I won't hate this trade if we get something else in return, but, unless that something is Barnes or Thompson (and I don't think it will be), I won't love or even like the trade either. It just doesn't add much to or team. Sure, we get some vets, but we could get better vets for a lot cheaper.

[Inigo Montoya]

This is also why we don't want Bogut. Look, I really like Bogut and think he could do well with the Jazz, but we don't need an extra 5 wins next season because of Bogut. If we exceed expectations next year I want it to be because of our core group.

well, he does get injured. a lot. and he might come off the bench. so he may not give you 5 extra wins.

[d-will8]

But, having said all of that, I should wait to see what else we're getting before criticizing the trade. My tune might change.