Utah Jazz a farmteam???

[eLo]

after this deal i think so, we take garbage so other teams could get stronger, and for what ??? for a chance to draft lottery guy, i thought we have enough of youth in this team.

After this deal we simple dont have any decent players on bench, this look worst than ptb roster in past season

[countrybama24]

I posted this in another thread but didn't feel like rehashing the same point:

Negotiating leverage comes from the best alternative. If GS can still sign iggy and you refuse or demand Barnes, they end up just as good and you don't get the upside of the picks. "Deserve" is entirely dependent on what options GS had, which none of us know (and the Jazz front office might not either) and makes the hold-out strategy a lot riskier.

Who cares about the salary? We were gonna pay out enough to meet the floor regardless, and the couple million we take on above that floor netted us multiple first round picks, one of which is a potentially historically great, deep draft. Sure, it COULD be only 25. It also COULD be 18 if they got injured. It also COULD be packaged with our pick or other assets and potentially net us a franchise player, or we could nail an awesome player at 25 everyone else slept on. 2014 picks are incredibly valuable right now, and not many will be traded without paying a heavy premium (like trading your 23 year old all-star PG to the hornets). We also COULD use these expirings in another salary dump deal to get another asset. It doesn't look like much, but the upside this deal brings is certainty worth what we gave up (which was what exactly?). We weren't the only avenue for them to unload salary, and even the Lakers might help them out in a Dwight sign and trade if it beats losing him to houston for nothing.

We didn't give up anything of value. A+

[Inigo Montoya]

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[king everything]

After this deal we simple dont have any decent players on bench, this look worst than ptb roster in past season

Think of the 2014 draft, man. The draft.

[eLo]

so this season is end before it even started ... thats so sad, and if we wont get this top pick what then

[pickIBL]

every team has to rebuild at one time or another and that does not make them a farm team. the new cba is designed to keep things competitive. Utah has made good moves today

[countrybama24]

so this season is end before it even started ... thats so sad

For me, this last season was over before it even started. If I know we have literally no shot at winning a championship, I couldn't care less how we did besides the growth of our young players. If you get off on making the playoffs, then sure, this might be a big disappointment. But for me, it's a breath of fresh air because it gives me that much more hope we can bring hope a title some day.

after this deal i think so

And how many championships did we win before this sudden transformation into a "farm team?" Isn't the whole problem with being a "farm team" the inability to win a championship? You're strategy to try and win as much as possible this year because draft picks might not pan out is much more akin to being a "farm team" because it refuses to make sacrifices in the short-term to maximize our long term chance of contending. And if you think we were contending with this core of players and maybe a free agent or two, well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I think you would have reached the same conclusion after a few more years of quick first round exits. Open your eyes and look at the big picture, because we have great things ahead of us.

[king everything]

eLo, you're really missing what happened today. This wasn't the summer that was going to change our fortunes- managing to land Trey was basically a bonus no one saw coming- it's all about next years draft and free agent class- which we now own at least 2 first round picks for and an insane amount of cap space, because the players we got today expire. We are gonna throw the kids to the fire, see what they got, and have all sorts of available ways to address the weaknesses we find with them next offseason.

[eLo]

ok simply as that , what would you pick one championship and 10 years of misery o 10 years of decent basketball and no titles???

plus one more question what if Fav and Enes will deliver and we wont get top pick??? that will mean that this whole thing is just pointless and lidsey is a moron.

ps. now Fav will put so empty stats, next sumer max contract although he may not be worthed, then question who to singn Enes or for ex Parker

[king everything]

ok simply as that , what would you pick one championship and 10 years of misery o 10 years of decent basketball and no titles???

plus one more question what if Fav and Enes will deliver and we wont get top pick??? that will mean that this whole thing is just pointless and lidsey is a moron.

ps. now Fav will put so empty stats, next sumer max contract although he may not be worthed, then question who to singn Enes or for ex Parker

I'll take one title and 10 years of misery 10 times outta 10. But that wasn't going to be this year regardless of what happened. And how is Lindsay a moron if they deliver? Then we flip our extra assets to teams that need em and secure the even more distant future.

[rmdlwajazz]

The Jazz did well today. We turned cap space into assets - expiring contracts and multiple picks. We will do our best to make the playoffs - you will never see the Jazz purposely loose games for draft positioning because Jazz philosophy places an importance on teaching players how to win and not developing a "losing culture" - spoken multiple times by KOC, Larry, Jerry, Greg, Steve and Ty. However, we have now positioned ourselves to be able to resign our good young players that have this season to prove their value. Rush is a good shooter - the others are filler. The target of 2014 - you can't help but think the Jazz see a rare opportunity for a top natch player that could be happy in Utah long term - Jabari Parker. Now, that being said, Jabari still has to show that he is that elite level player but it's fun to start dreaming. Happy to see the Jazz making the smart moves!!!

[eLo]

ok simply as that , what would you pick one championship and 10 years of misery o 10 years of decent basketball and no titles???

plus one more question what if Fav and Enes will deliver and we wont get top pick??? that will mean that this whole thing is just pointless and lidsey is a moron.

ps. now Fav will put so empty stats, next sumer max contract although he may not be worthed, then question who to singn Enes or for ex Parker

I'll take one title and 10 years of misery 10 times outta 10. But that wasn't going to be this year regardless of what happened. And how is Lindsay a moron if they deliver? Then we flip our extra assets to teams that need em and secure the even more distant future.

He will be a moron cuz we could do this this summer, plus how long you live with championship, on rs you want your team to win to play good, who cares that pistons won title 9 years ago, they sucks now and thats what really matters

[AingesBurner]

ok simply as that , what would you pick one championship and 10 years of misery o 10 years of decent basketball and no titles???

plus one more question what if Fav and Enes will deliver and we wont get top pick??? that will mean that this whole thing is just pointless and lidsey is a moron.

ps. now Fav will put so empty stats, next sumer max contract although he may not be worthed, then question who to singn Enes or for ex Parker

I'll take one title and 10 years of misery 10 times outta 10. But that wasn't going to be this year regardless of what happened. And how is Lindsay a moron if they deliver? Then we flip our extra assets to teams that need em and secure the even more distant future.

He will be a moron cuz we could do this this summer, plus how long you live with championship, on rs you want your team to win to play good, who cares that pistons won title 9 years ago, they sucks now and thats what really matters

eLo are you one of those Jazz fans that loves being mediocre??? I would rather us compete in the WCF every year and a finals appearance than never getting out of the 2nd round.

[king everything]

ok simply as that , what would you pick one championship and 10 years of misery o 10 years of decent basketball and no titles???

plus one more question what if Fav and Enes will deliver and we wont get top pick??? that will mean that this whole thing is just pointless and lidsey is a moron.

ps. now Fav will put so empty stats, next sumer max contract although he may not be worthed, then question who to singn Enes or for ex Parker

I'll take one title and 10 years of misery 10 times outta 10. But that wasn't going to be this year regardless of what happened. And how is Lindsay a moron if they deliver? Then we flip our extra assets to teams that need em and secure the even more distant future.

He will be a moron cuz we could do this this summer, plus how long you live with championship, on rs you want your team to win to play good, who cares that pistons won title 9 years ago, they sucks now and thats what really matters

I want rings. Winning is everything to me. I realize it doesn't just happen because you want it though. It takes years to build a winner. I'm the guy who regularly trashes my sons at mariokart. When they're good enough to beat me- they will. I eat faster then anyone at any table I'm at. It's just me. I wanna see a jazz championship banner. Anything less, unless it's building towards it, sucks to me.

[Cappsy11]

Who gives a rats about next year draft . Forget about that . We helped golden state get better . I thought Lindsay made good moves draft night no arguement , but what each year from now on we are only doing deals to clear cap space . This is garbage. When we made WCF we spent on boozer okur and Ak and smart trade to get DW. Spending equalled winning.
Another thing if Hayward, burks and favors ( who not sold on yet ) want new contracts why would they re-sign with the Jazz when other teams are willing to spend to get better, offer more money plus importantly are trying to win rather playing for cap space .
Jazz no guts . Should of gone harder on Bogut which would of made the front court really good instead it went backwards. With Milsap now gone Kanter is our best offensive threat down there and he is still raw . AB is hopeless .

Season gone this year , next year and maybe year after , I might take interest in this team in 3 years time

[king everything]

Who gives a rats about next year draft . Forget about that . We helped golden state get better . I thought Lindsay made good moves draft night no arguement , but what each year from now on we are only doing deals to clear cap space . This is garbage. When we made WCF we spent on boozer okur and Ak and smart trade to get DW. Spending equalled winning.
Another thing if Hayward, burks and favors ( who not sold on yet ) want new contracts why would they re-sign with the Jazz when other teams are willing to spend to get better, offer more money plus importantly are trying to win rather playing for cap space .
Jazz no guts . Should of gone harder on Bogut which would of made the front court really good instead it went backwards. With Milsap now gone Kanter is our best offensive threat down there and he is still raw . AB is hopeless .

Season gone this year , next year and maybe year after , I might take interest in this team in 3 years time

was there a memo or a boozer in this years fa class? You can't invent them if they're not there.

[eLo]

I'll take one title and 10 years of misery 10 times outta 10. But that wasn't going to be this year regardless of what happened. And how is Lindsay a moron if they deliver? Then we flip our extra assets to teams that need em and secure the even more distant future.

He will be a moron cuz we could do this this summer, plus how long you live with championship, on rs you want your team to win to play good, who cares that pistons won title 9 years ago, they sucks now and thats what really matters

I want rings. Winning is everything to me. I realize it doesn't just happen because you want it though. It takes years to build a winner. I'm the guy who regularly trashes my sons at mariokart. When they're good enough to beat me- they will. I eat faster then anyone at any table I'm at. It's just me. I wanna see a jazz championship banner. Anything less, unless it's building towards it, sucks to me.

Man i want a win but not in 3/4 years but now, i want to win always i want my team to compete always.

Tanking is for LOOOOOSERS, look on team that have this mentality, they are bad constantly, tanking is never solution

[king everything]

He will be a moron cuz we could do this this summer, plus how long you live with championship, on rs you want your team to win to play good, who cares that pistons won title 9 years ago, they sucks now and thats what really matters

I want rings. Winning is everything to me. I realize it doesn't just happen because you want it though. It takes years to build a winner. I'm the guy who regularly trashes my sons at mariokart. When they're good enough to beat me- they will. I eat faster then anyone at any table I'm at. It's just me. I wanna see a jazz championship banner. Anything less, unless it's building towards it, sucks to me.

Man i want a win but not in 3/4 years but now, i want to win always i want my team to compete always.

Tanking is for LOOOOOSERS, look on team that have this mentality, they are bad constantly, tanking is never solution

there was no one to sign to win one NOW!!! No one!

[eLo]

I want rings. Winning is everything to me. I realize it doesn't just happen because you want it though. It takes years to build a winner. I'm the guy who regularly trashes my sons at mariokart. When they're good enough to beat me- they will. I eat faster then anyone at any table I'm at. It's just me. I wanna see a jazz championship banner. Anything less, unless it's building towards it, sucks to me.

Man i want a win but not in 3/4 years but now, i want to win always i want my team to compete always.

Tanking is for LOOOOOSERS, look on team that have this mentality, they are bad constantly, tanking is never solution

there was no one to sign to win one NOW!!! No one!

its not true, with our talented young core we just need few good vets and thats it

[king everything]

Man i want a win but not in 3/4 years but now, i want to win always i want my team to compete always.

Tanking is for LOOOOOSERS, look on team that have this mentality, they are bad constantly, tanking is never solution

there was no one to sign to win one NOW!!! No one!

its not true, with our talented young core we just need few good vets and thats it

yikes, bro.