Motiejunas to Jazz?

HankMoody69 · Post #1 » by **HankMoody69** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:11 am

From another Rockets forum:
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-dmo-to-sign-with-jazz-if-favors-misses-extended-time.278805/
cyberx person is known insider in that forum, who has sources. What do you think about this possibility ?

stitches · Post #2 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:59 am

Interesting. Thanks for the link... I don't feel like it makes much sense for us, though. We have other priorities - extending Favors and/or Hill. We cannot really spend a lot of money for more than ... this current year, really.

Winglish · Post #3 » by **Winglish** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:19 pm

What strikes me is the vitriol Houston Rockets fans on that forum feel toward the Jazz. I had no idea! I have never felt any particularly negative feelings toward the Rockets.

Thanks for the link.

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stitches · Post #4 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:24 pm

Winglish wrote:What strikes me is the vitriol Houston Rockets fans on that forum feel toward the Jazz. I had no idea! I have never felt any particularly negative feelings toward the Rockets.

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That's what happens when you torment them in the playoffs for decades and eliminate them with last second shots.

RightToCensor · Post #5 » by **RightToCensor** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:32 pm

Winglish wrote:What strikes me is the vitriol Houston Rockets fans on that forum feel toward the Jazz. I had no idea! I have never felt any particularly negative feelings toward the Rockets.

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We're more disappointed with Motiejunas than disgusted of the Jazz

Jstock12 · Post #6 » by **Jstock12** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:14 pm

stitches wrote:We cannot really spend a lot of money for more than ... this current year, really.

What DMo wanted from the Rockets was either a) A guaranteed long-term deal or b) A big enough short term deal. The Rockets agreed to none of those things. They lowballed him and offered a small short term deal with only the year 1 being guaranteed (~ $7 million), after all they had all the leverage after Detroit Pistons tarnished his value by voiding the trade earlier this year. So if you have more than 7m of available cap space this year, I fully believe this is possible.

If healthy, DMo can be really good on both ends.

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stitches · Post #7 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:32 pm

What I can't phatom is why Brooklyn has not jumped on the opportunity yet? What's stopping them? They can afford giving him 2-3 year deal at 10-12M?

Post #8 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:35 pm

I always liked DMO. Don't know what it'll mean for our current roster long term, but I like his game a lot for this team.

Daddy 801 · Post #9 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:34 pm

I don't see this as a big surprise. The Jazz could trade Favs(this year or next) and sign DM to a 2-4 year deal and frontload the contract so it allows Utah to renegotiate Hills contract this year and still have room in 2-3 years when other players need to get paid. And it allows Utah to have another player who can contribute now.

MeestR · Post #10 » by **MeestR** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:25 pm

I don't see him as taking Fav's spot. I see him more as taking the backup C spot - occupied now by Diaw, Withey, or Lyles. I think he would be an upgrade.

Daddy 801 · Post #11 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:06 pm

MeestR wrote:I don't see him as taking Fav's spot. I see him more as taking the backup C spot - occupied now by Diaw, Withey, or Lyles. I think he would be an upgrade.

The Jazz need a 3-4 bigman rotation. If DM is taking Witheys spot, who is taking Favs backup C mins, then we no longer need any more C mins from Favs. Which is fine but that means we are expecting Lyles and Boris to share backup PF mins assuming Favs comes back full health. I am fully on board for giving Favs all the PF mins if he is full health. But I can see the Jazz also moving Favs to open up mins for Lyles and bringing back some assets and clearing cap space to sign Hill. I could be wrong, it just wouldn't totally surprise me if someone like DM is signed IF Favs is moved.

I could see a trade similar to what GobertReport suggested. Move Favs to Boston for Avery, Jerebko, and Brooklyn pick. Then Jazz trade Withey, Mack, and Jerebko for whatever assets they can get, and then sign DM.

That would leave the Jazz with Hill, Exum, Avery B, Neto, Burks, Hayward, Hood, JJ, Ingles, Lyles, Boris, DM, Bolomboy, Gobert. Resign Hill for a three year deal. Sign Hayward next year. Sign DM to a three year deal front loaded with a team option for third year. And now you have a team that is under contract for the next few years and has a good Brooklyn pick this year. Not to mention two other first round draft picks that can be packed together to move up in draft. And the team has more cap space to sign Hood/Exum in a few years and gives Dennis L. the flexibility he loves. Favs has been my favorite Jazz player, but I see a lot of reasons why a move like this makes sense.

Like I said, I could be wrong(chances are I am), it just wouldn't surprise me at all if a few moves like this were made.

stitches · Post #12 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:13 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:I don't see this as a big surprise. The Jazz could trade Favs(this year or next) and sign DM to a 2-4 year deal and frontload the contract so it allows Utah to renegotiate Hills contract this year and still have room in 2-3 years when other players need to get paid. And it allows Utah to have another player who can contribute now.

What surprises me is people wanting to give DMo 2-4 year deal, while wanting to get rid off Favors because of injury concerns. Favors' injury concerns are like а sprained ankle compared to DMo's injuries. Remember that he failed to pass a physical when Detroit tried to trade for him. Remember that not a single team chose to make an offer for him in the summer... Remember that all his current team was willing to offer him was a 1 year 7M dollar contract.

It's all quite peculiar and surreal.

Also, frontloading an eventual DMo contract doesn't help you renegotiate Hill's contract. It actively hinders you from doing it.

babyjax13 · Post #13 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:20 pm

I wouldn't mind him on a high dollar short term deal. It means we wouldn't be extended Favors or Hill, but if that isn't in the cards, adding a guy to help us get to the playoffs can't hurt...and I'm sure he'd like to rehabilitate some of his value. I've got to admit, though, that I just don't see it happening. Although if we did something like Hood/Favors for Jimmy Butler, Motiejunas is the perfect power forward for that lineup with his shooting/passing.

Hill/Butler/Hayward/Motiejunas/Gobert

Drooling.

babyjax13 · Post #14 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:22 pm

stitches wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:I don't see this as a big surprise. The Jazz could trade Favs(this year or next) and sign DM to a 2-4 year deal and frontload the contract so it allows Utah to renegotiate Hills contract this year and still have room in 2-3 years when other players need to get paid. And it allows Utah to have another player who can contribute now.

What surprises me is people wanting to give DMo 2-4 year deal, while wanting to get rid off Favors because of injury concerns. Favors' injury concerns are like а sprained ankle compared to DMo's injuries. Remember that he failed to pass a physical when Detroit tried to trade for him. Remember that not a single team chose to make an offer for him in the summer... Remember that all his current team was willing to offer him was a 1 year 7M dollar contract.

It's all quite peculiar and surreal.

Also, frontloading an eventual DMo contract doesn't help you renegotiate Hill's contract. It actively hinders you from doing it.

I'm sure we could just dump Diaw with the GSW 1st (or maybe even less value than that) and sign Motiejunas with that money.

KqWIN · Post #15 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:28 pm

I mentioned this idea before. I like it, but it removes the renegotiate and extend possibility for Hill.

stitches · Post #16 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:29 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
stitches wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:I don't see this as a big surprise. The Jazz could trade Favs(this year or next) and sign DM to a 2-4 year deal and frontload the contract so it allows Utah to renegotiate Hills contract this year and still have room in 2-3 years when other players need to get paid. And it allows Utah to have another player who can contribute now.

What surprises me is people wanting to give DMo 2-4 year deal, while wanting to get rid off Favors because of injury concerns. Favors' injury concerns are like а sprained ankle compared to DMo's injuries. Remember that he failed to pass a physical when Detroit tried to trade for him. Remember that not a single team chose to make an offer for him in the summer... Remember that all his current team was willing to offer him was a 1 year 7M dollar contract.

It's all quite peculiar and surreal.

Also, frontloading an eventual DMo contract doesn't help you renegotiate Hill's contract. It actively hinders you from doing it.

I'm sure we could just dump Diaw with the GSW 1st (or maybe even less value than that) and sign Motiejunas with that money.

The questions is why would you do it if his own team doesn't think he's healthy enough to give him long term contract. Why would you give up value of any kind to do it?

babyjax13 · Post #17 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:45 pm

stitches wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
stitches wrote:What surprises me is people wanting to give DMo 2-4 year deal, while wanting to get rid off Favors because of injury concerns. Favors' injury concerns are like а sprained ankle compared to DMo's injuries. Remember that he failed to pass a physical when Detroit tried to trade for him. Remember that not a single team chose to make an offer for him in the summer... Remember that all his current team was willing to offer him was a 1 year 7M dollar contract.

It's all quite peculiar and surreal.

Also, frontloading an eventual DMo contract doesn't help you renegotiate Hill's contract. It actively hinders you from doing it.

I'm sure we could just dump Diaw with the GSW 1st (or maybe even less value than that) and sign Motiejunas with that money.

The questions is why would you do it if his own team doesn't think he's healthy enough to give him long term contract. Why would you give up value of any kind to do it?

I'd assume we'd do a crap medical evaluation.

HankMoody69 · Post #18 » by **HankMoody69** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:55 pm

Motiejunas wasn't injury prone. In fact in his whole he hadn't any significant injuries until that back injury, which hampered his career.
Not long ago he himself said, that his back problem is in the past and he's training in Vancouver with personal trainer and waiting contract from NBA team. Just in case back specialist is keeping eye on him. Of course you'll never know, what situation is with his back until you do full meticulous medical check-up.
I believe one of the main reasons why Motiejunas didn't want to sign last Rockets offer was, that he didn't want to become Morey's trade chip. He wanted to sign him as a trade chip. He should have just taken the qualifying offer with trade refusal clause and prove himself.

Daddy 801 · Post #19 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:48 pm

stitches wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
stitches wrote:What surprises me is people wanting to give DMo 2-4 year deal, while wanting to get rid off Favors because of injury concerns. Favors' injury concerns are like а sprained ankle compared to DMo's injuries. Remember that he failed to pass a physical when Detroit tried to trade for him. Remember that not a single team chose to make an offer for him in the summer... Remember that all his current team was willing to offer him was a 1 year 7M dollar contract.

It's all quite peculiar and surreal.

Also, frontloading an eventual DMo contract doesn't help you renegotiate Hill's contract. It actively hinders you from doing it.

I'm sure we could just dump Diaw with the GSW 1st (or maybe even less value than that) and sign Motiejunas with that money.

The questions is why would you do it if his own team doesn't think he's healthy enough to give him long term contract. Why would you give up value of any kind to do it?

I forgot about DM injuries concerns. That is a totally valid reason not to sign him and move Favs. Couldn't agree more.

Also, just because I'm posting what I think the Jazz might do to move on from Favs doesn't mean I would move on from him if I was running the team. The Jazz are going to be amazing if Favs comes back full health. I just think there is more to his health than what we know. And some of these types of moves wouldn't totally surprise me. IF Favs health is an issue and management believes it could be an issue for the rest of his career they should try to trade him and get as much value as they can.

stitches · Post #20 » by **stitches** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:54 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:I forgot about DM injuries concerns. That is a totally valid reason not to sign him and move Favs. Couldn't agree more.

Also, just because I'm posting what I think the Jazz might do to move on from Favs doesn't mean I would move on from him if I was running the team. The Jazz are going to be amazing if Favs comes back full health. I just think there is more to his health than what we know. And some of these types of moves wouldn't totally surprise me. IF Favs health is an issue and management believes it could be an issue for the rest of his career they should try to trade him and get as much value as they can.

It's not totally out of the question that there is more than they've announced publicly. The problem is that they are required to hand in any medical records on a player they are trading... thus... whatever we(the Jazz FO) know, the team we are trading him to will know as well. I guess their medical staff might think differently than ours that his injuries are not long-term concern and OK the trade, but at that point I'd really trust a random other team's medical staff more than ours and I probably wouldn't want us to trade him. I'm in a bit of a catch 22 here.