Jazz 2017-2018 Season Thread

KqWIN · Post #781 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:14 am

This is why we're having a hard time with Rubio.

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Daddy 801 · Post #782 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:20 pm

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Yikes! Who would have thought a non-shooter non-finisher whose only strength is playmaking would struggle to have positive impact when forced to play in a system that makes him give up the ball and play with 2 non-shooting bigs? It's such a shocking developement!

Thanks for helping the tank Rubio.

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tleikheen · Post #783 » by **tleikheen** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:01 pm

The graph only shows most everyone was right at the start of the year .....Rubio was/is not allowed to play the way he always has, pushing and attacking the basket. His lack of assists tells that story.
Rubio was a round peg stuck in Snyders inflexible square peg offense and has struggled mightily to fit and has been a failure there.

Same with a healthy Favors .Even with Gobert out with injury Favors is under utilized.

Snyders offense is ranked 28th out of 30 in points

Orlando is 24,Atlanta 25,utah 26,Dallas 27,Sacramento 28,Memphis 29 in team rebounding !! All these teams around Utah are vying for a top 5 draft choice.

Snyder is suppose to be a great offensive coach who's greatest asset is developing young players....who's available for trade ...Hood 25,Burks 26,Favors 26,Neto 25 ....maybe Exum 22.Wow all the young players on the Jazz ,available?

I don't see Snyders offense succeeding ,looks like a failure.

LesGrossman · Post #784 » by **LesGrossman** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:46 am

tleikheen wrote:The graph only shows most everyone was right at the start of the year .....Rubio was/is not allowed to play the way he always has, pushing and attacking the basket. His lack of assists tells that story.
Rubio was a round peg stuck in Snyders inflexible square peg offense and has struggled mightily to fit and has been a failure there.

Same with a healthy Favors .Even with Gobert out with injury Favors is under utilized.

Snyders offense is ranked 28th out of 30 in points

Orlando is 24,Atlanta 25,utah 26,Dallas 27,Sacramento 28,Memphis 29 in team rebounding !! All these teams around Utah are vying for a top 5 draft choice.

Snyder is suppose to be a great offensive coach who's greatest asset is developing young players....who's available for trade ...Hood 25,Burks 26,Favors 26,Neto 25 ....maybe Exum 22.Wow all the young players on the Jazz ,available?

I don't see Snyders offense succeeding ,looks like a failure.

Absolutely. Its just easier for certain people to scapegoat one player than the coach who mis-uses his personnel. Problem is - when that player is finally gone or just off the floor, and the problems persist, they need to find other excuses.

dr0welf · Post #785 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:32 am

With this being the third straight year with major injury problems throughout the team, could this be a product of something the coaches are doing at practice? Or a product of the offense itself and the bad spacing that seems to be happening.... 1 year seems like a fluke but three years seems like their something to it.

outerspacefella · Post #786 » by **outerspacefella** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:37 am

dr0welf wrote:With this being the third straight year with major injury problems throughout the team, could this be a product of something the coaches are doing at practice? Or a product of the offense itself and the bad spacing that seems to be happening.... 1 year seems like a fluke but three years seems like their something to it.

If it is a by-product of something, it is related to players constantly being asked to play a tad beyond their basketball sustainable self.
We've got to add native talent, native shooting... you know... some minimal neccesary amount of natural talents.

Daddy 801 · Post #787 » by **Daddy 801** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:42 am

outerspacefella wrote:
dr0welf wrote:With this being the third straight year with major injury problems throughout the team, could this be a product of something the coaches are doing at practice? Or a product of the offense itself and the bad spacing that seems to be happening.... 1 year seems like a fluke but three years seems like their something to it.

If it is a by-product of something, it is related to players constantly being asked to play a tad beyond their basketball sustainable self.
We've got to add native talent, native shooting... you know... some minimal neccesary amount of natural talents.

Feels like really **** luck to me.

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dr0welf · Post #788 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:50 am

Daddy 801 wrote:
outerspacefella wrote:
dr0welf wrote:With this being the third straight year with major injury problems throughout the team, could this be a product of something the coaches are doing at practice? Or a product of the offense itself and the bad spacing that seems to be happening.... 1 year seems like a fluke but three years seems like their something to it.

If it is a by-product of something, it is related to players constantly being asked to play a tad beyond their basketball sustainable self.
We've got to add native talent, native shooting... you know... some minimal neccesary amount of natural talents.

Feels like really **** luck to me.

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I feel three years is more of a pattern then just bad luck. Not trying to read anything into it, but I believe it's worth asking about and possibly evaluation within the organization.

zero24gravity · Post #789 » by **zero24gravity** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:15 pm

dr0welf wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:
outerspacefella wrote:
If it is a by-product of something, it is related to players constantly being asked to play a tad beyond their basketball sustainable self.
We've got to add native talent, native shooting... you know... some minimal neccesary amount of natural talents.

Feels like really **** luck to me.

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I feel three years is more of a pattern then just bad luck. Not trying to read anything into it, but I believe it's worth asking about and possibly evaluation within the organization.

The team did make major adjustments to the training staff this year, as they obviously recognized the injuries were killers. Still, this year's injuries to Gobert are total flukes in my eyes. When you're 7' tall (or even if you're not) and 200+ pound players go crashing into your knees, something is going to give .... and it's generally going to be the joint.

AingesBurner · Post #790 » by **AingesBurner** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:26 pm

Any see the Tony Jones Trib article? Apparently the discontent in the locker room was true.

MTJazzv3 · Post #791 » by **MTJazzv3** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:28 pm

GobertReport wrote:Any see the Tony Jones Trib article? Apparently the discontent in the locker room was true.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2018/01/18/multiple-jazz-players-have-been-the-recent-subject-of-trade-rumors-it-has-taken-a-toll-off-and-on-the-floor/
Sounds pretty normal for an under-performing team and the pressure on the guys who get lumped into the trade rumors. I think the team is going to settle down after trades go down (or don't), Rudy and Ex coming back, and go back to learning good habits and a good locker room vibe.

AingesBurner · Post #792 » by **AingesBurner** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:25 am

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outerspacefella · Post #794 » by **outerspacefella** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:25 am

Do you think if the Jazz get Popovich he would be able to get this group to the second round?

stitches · Post #795 » by **stitches** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:15 pm

Just an illustration of how in the middle of nowhere we are:

vryadli · Post #796 » by **vryadli** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:24 pm

outerspacefella wrote:Do you think if the Jazz get Popovich he would be able to get this group to the second round?

If after about 20 games in the season - definitely. Kerr would do also.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #797 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:18 pm

stitches wrote:Just an illustration of how in the middle of nowhere we are:

Nice graphic. I wonder where the Jazz logo would lie without all of the injuries, certainly better defensively.

KqWIN · Post #798 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:41 pm

The Jazz are much better offensively than expected. We’ve gotten a big boost from Mitchell and the improved depth of this team.

If you get Gobert back into form and optimize the roster a bit this could be a decent team next season. A top 5 defense and middling offense puts you close to 50 wins.

TNJazz · Post #799 » by **TNJazz** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:48 pm

Nice visual graph. I agree with Kqwinn that the offense is quite a bit better than originally thought when the season began. Injuries have played a role both positive and negative in this year's development. Not sure that Mitchell would have gotten as much burn had Exum been healthy all season, so his huge impact might have been as powerful, so that is a positive for Mitchell and the face of the franchise now having more than just Gobert. Exum is still an unknown given he hasn't made significant strides due to lack of court time, so maybe he will be the "free agent acquisition" this off season they need. Also before Thabo's injury, his leadership and savvy were immeasurable for the young players and not sure we would have seen that as much had Gobert not been injured, so while there is no mistaking the hole injuries have played, maybe there is a silver lining?

Defense should have and was projected to be much better but the offense was supposed to be one of the worst in the league, neither of which are true as shown on this graph. Yet, we are pretty much mired in the middle. I loved the first half of the Clippers game, but became frustrated when the 25 point lead shrank to single digits over a 15-18 minute span. Some bad, lazy hoops during that spell.

Daddy 801 · Post #800 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:38 am

vryadli wrote:
outerspacefella wrote:Do you think if the Jazz get Popovich he would be able to get this group to the second round?

If after about 20 games in the season - definitely. Kerr would do also.

I know I’m in the minority but I’m not sold Kerr is a great wizard yet. He inherited one of the best teams ever assembled and then Durant came. He might be. But a good coach takes a bad team and makes them average. A good coach takes an average team and gets you in the playoffs. A good coach takes a good team and gets you to the conference finals. Kerr may have taken an amazing team and made them the best ever....but they may have just been that good anyways.

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