Kevin Love?

Daddy 801 · Post #101 » by **Daddy 801** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:42 pm

GobertReport wrote:I think we are going to see Love to Memphis for Parsons and #4.

Not enough for the Grizz. And they don’t clear capspace.

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AingesBurner · Post #102 » by **AingesBurner** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:47 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:I think we are going to see Love to Memphis for Parsons and #4.

Not enough for the Grizz. And they don’t clear capspace.

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But if they are moving Parson and 4 to win now, they are definitely going for a win now vet like Love.

Daddy 801 · Post #103 » by **Daddy 801** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:08 am

But he also has a short contract. And he doesn’t offer salary cap relief until he leaves.

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AingesBurner · Post #104 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:10 am

Daddy 801 wrote:But he also has a short contract. And he doesn’t offer salary cap relief until he leaves.

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Do they want salary cap relief or a win now veteran?

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Daddy 801 · Post #105 » by **Daddy 801** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:47 am

GobertReport wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:But he also has a short contract. And he doesn’t offer salary cap relief until he leaves.

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Do they want salary cap relief or a win now veteran?

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Why not both? Ingles and our expiring contracts do that. I’m sure other teams could offer a similar deal.

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AingesBurner · Post #106 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:48 am

Daddy 801 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:But he also has a short contract. And he doesn’t offer salary cap relief until he leaves.

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Do they want salary cap relief or a win now veteran?

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Why not both? Ingles and our expiring contracts do that. I’m sure other teams could offer a similar deal.

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I hate to give up our only good 3 pt shooter.

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Luigi · Post #107 » by **Luigi** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:47 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:I don’t see Love as a real option considering the timing of when things have to happen.

I thought Love's deal was pretty good for our purposes. We have 3 years before we have to pay Mitchel, Gobert, and Ingles.

Doesn't Love have 3 years left?

Edit: I see Love has 1 year at 24.1, then 1 player option at 25.6. Still not a bad stretch. But since he could be a 1 year rental, we could probably get him for a pick and expirers.

CallMeKahn · Post #108 » by **CallMeKahn** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:03 pm

Wonder if Kawhi being dealt will force the Jazz to respond?

AingesBurner · Post #109 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:22 pm

CallMeKahn wrote:Wonder if Kawhi being dealt will force the Jazz to respond?

If to the West, most definitely.

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stitches · Post #110 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:33 pm

GobertReport wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:Wonder if Kawhi being dealt will force the Jazz to respond?

If to the West, most definitely.

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? In what way? To me it doesn't make sense. If anything it eliminates options for us(Pg13 most probably if he ever was an option)... IMO it makes it less likely that we make a move now, not more likely.

AingesBurner · Post #111 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:36 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:Wonder if Kawhi being dealt will force the Jazz to respond?

If to the West, most definitely.

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? In what way? To me it doesn't make sense. If anything it eliminates options for us(Pg13 most probably if he ever was an option)... IMO it makes it less likely that we make a move now, not more likely.

We have built a contender and we have to try to continue to contend.

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stitches · Post #112 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:40 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
If to the West, most definitely.

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? In what way? To me it doesn't make sense. If anything it eliminates options for us(Pg13 most probably if he ever was an option)... IMO it makes it less likely that we make a move now, not more likely.

We have built a contender and we have to try to continue to contend.

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IMO standing pat or signing some 1 year contracts to improve the depth is the way to go. We shouldn't be making hasty decisions. Only sign future keystone pieces to long-term contracts. DOn't tie yourself to players that will prevent you from chasing Butler/Klay/Love... next year or whoever the best FAs in 2020 are. We should not be settling for meh players on long-term contracts. If you want to settle there will always be options like that to settle with. We must not do anything stupid and sabotage our future FAs.

AingesBurner · Post #113 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:43 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:? In what way? To me it doesn't make sense. If anything it eliminates options for us(Pg13 most probably if he ever was an option)... IMO it makes it less likely that we make a move now, not more likely.

We have built a contender and we have to try to continue to contend.

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IMO standing pat or signing some 1 year contracts to improve the depth is the way to go. We shouldn't be making hasty decisions. Only sign future keystone pieces to long-term contracts. DOn't tie yourself to players that will prevent you from chasing Butler/Klay/Love... next year or whoever the best FAs in 2020 are. We should not be settling for meh players on long-term contracts. If you want to settle there will always be options like that to settle with. We must not do anything stupid and sabotage our future FAs.

I agree unless you can get Love now. If we get Love now can we clear cap for Paul George?

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stitches · Post #114 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:47 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
We have built a contender and we have to try to continue to contend.

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IMO standing pat or signing some 1 year contracts to improve the depth is the way to go. We shouldn't be making hasty decisions. Only sign future keystone pieces to long-term contracts. DOn't tie yourself to players that will prevent you from chasing Butler/Klay/Love... next year or whoever the best FAs in 2020 are. We should not be settling for meh players on long-term contracts. If you want to settle there will always be options like that to settle with. We must not do anything stupid and sabotage our future FAs.

I agree unless you can get Love now. If we get Love now can we clear cap for Paul George?

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Paul George is gone IMO. Kawhi was a key piece. IMO it's almost certain they all go to LA now. Kawhi, PG13, LeBron... Kawhi through trade, the other two through FA.

AingesBurner · Post #115 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:49 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:IMO standing pat or signing some 1 year contracts to improve the depth is the way to go. We shouldn't be making hasty decisions. Only sign future keystone pieces to long-term contracts. DOn't tie yourself to players that will prevent you from chasing Butler/Klay/Love... next year or whoever the best FAs in 2020 are. We should not be settling for meh players on long-term contracts. If you want to settle there will always be options like that to settle with. We must not do anything stupid and sabotage our future FAs.

I agree unless you can get Love now. If we get Love now can we clear cap for Paul George?

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Paul George is gone IMO. Kawhi was a key piece. IMO it's almost certain they all go to LA now. Kawhi, PG13, LeBron... Kawhi through trade, the other two through FA.

I think Kawhi is heading east to Boston or Philly. So back to my question, if we trade for Kevin Love, can we clear cap for Paul George?

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stitches · Post #116 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:53 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
I agree unless you can get Love now. If we get Love now can we clear cap for Paul George?

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Paul George is gone IMO. Kawhi was a key piece. IMO it's almost certain they all go to LA now. Kawhi, PG13, LeBron... Kawhi through trade, the other two through FA.

I think Kawhi is heading east to Boston or Philly. So back to my question, if we trade for Kevin Love, can we clear cap for Paul George?

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There is a way to fit them both in. It means we will be left with like... 7 players.

AingesBurner · Post #117 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:57 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:

Paul George is gone IMO. Kawhi was a key piece. IMO it's almost certain they all go to LA now. Kawhi, PG13, LeBron... Kawhi through trade, the other two through FA.

I think Kawhi is heading east to Boston or Philly. So back to my question, if we trade for Kevin Love, can we clear cap for Paul George?

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There is a way to fit them both in. It means we will be left with like... 7 players.

Yeah but Rubio-Mitchell-PG-Love-Gobert with Ingles off the bench is dirty.

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CallMeKahn · Post #118 » by **CallMeKahn** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:02 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:

Paul George is gone IMO. Kawhi was a key piece. IMO it's almost certain they all go to LA now. Kawhi, PG13, LeBron... Kawhi through trade, the other two through FA.

I think Kawhi is heading east to Boston or Philly. So back to my question, if we trade for Kevin Love, can we clear cap for Paul George?

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There is a way to fit them both in. It means we will be left with like... 7 players.

We give up Jingles, Rubio, and/or Crowder to do it.

stitches · Post #119 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:05 pm

GobertReport wrote:
Yeah but Rubio-Mitchell-PG-Love-Gobert with Ingles off the bench is dirty.

No Rubio.

Step 1: Trade Burks for capspace(future 1st or no. 21 this year)
Step 2: Waive everybody(Thabo, Udoh, Stockton, Jerebko), renounce Exum, Favors, Neto.
Step 3: Sign PG13 into capspace for max. (this leaves us about 0.5M under the cap)
Step 4: Trade Rubio, Crowder and a 1st round pick(whichever one we didn't trade to clear Burks' salary) for Love

Final Roster:

PG: Mitchell, ???, ???
SG: Ingles, Royce, ???
SF: PG13, ???, ???
PF: Love, ???, ???
C: Gobert, Bradley, ???

We need to fill 8 positions with vet min contracts or second round picks(if we can buy some).

AingesBurner · Post #120 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:06 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Yeah but Rubio-Mitchell-PG-Love-Gobert with Ingles off the bench is dirty.

No Rubio.

Step 1: Trade Burks for capspace(future 1st or no. 21 this year)
Step 2: Waive everybody(Thabo, Udoh, Stockton, Jerebko), renounce Exum, Favors, Neto.
Step 3: Sign PG13 into capspace for max. (this leaves us about 0.5M under the cap)
Step 4: Trade Rubio, Crowder and a 1st round pick(whichever one we didn't trade to clear Burks' salary) for Love

Final Roster:

PG: Mitchell, ???, ???
SG: Ingles, Royce, ???
SF: PG13, ???, ???
PF: Love, ???, ???
C: Gobert, Bradley, ???

We need to fill 8 positions with vet min contracts or second round picks(if we can buy some).

Could we use Exum as a S&T though?

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