Game 13: Utah Jazz (6-6) @ Memphis Grizzlies (7-4)

[FJS]

VS

Monday, 19th, 2018
Memphis, Tennessee
6:00 MDT
FedEx Forum










BENCHES

[FJS]

REGULAR SEASON TEAM LEADERS:


PPG: 22.3
RPG: 13.3
APG: 7.9
SPG: 1.8
BPG: 2.3


PPG: 18.1
RPG: 9.2
APG: 6.0
SPG: 2.0
BPG: 1.5

[FJS]

Grizzlies look to go 3-0 vs. Jazz

[Rauxcee]

Third times the charm.

[Crunch 99]

Burks only got 6 minutes and one shot attempt in our first loss against Memphis and he was out completely the second loss. It would be nice to see Burks get some minutes and get it going to help us finally get a win against Memphis.

[JazzyPhinz]

The Grizz just have our number. Everyone remember last year they were blowing us out and then sat Gasol the entire 2nd half to tank?

[Inigo Montoya]

The Grizz just have our number. Everyone remember last year they were blowing us out and then sat Gasol the entire 2nd half to tank?

Yes. That was an epic tank job. One of the most blatant tanking efforts I've seen. I'm generally okay with tanking but not with throwing games, which is what they did that night.

[El Hespiritu]

I got you.
I'm generally okay with eating meat but not with killing cows.

[Inigo Montoya]

I got you.
I'm generally okay with eating meat but not with killing cows.

Meh, I wouldn't say it's the same thing. You can lose a lot of games without the coach trying to lose on purpose. Players should play to win and coaches should coach to win and do the most with the roster they have available. What roster is available is up to the front office and GM, so if they give the coach a weak roster that will lose a lot of games then he will lose a lot of games, but he shouldn't purposely lose the games he happens to be in great position to win, which is what the coach did that game.

[BarneyGumble]

Agree with those that said Grizz have our number. Its crazy because they really seem to step up against the Jazz. They seem to hit a higher percentage of their threes and just overall outperform as a team when they face us. Hopefully tonight will be different...

[El Hespiritu]

I got you.
I'm generally okay with eating meat but not with killing cows.

Meh, I wouldn't say it's the same thing. You can lose a lot of games without the coach trying to lose on purpose. Players should play to win and coaches should coach to win and do the most with the roster they have available. What roster is available is up to the front office and GM, so if they give the coach a weak roster that will lose a lot of games then he will lose a lot of games, but he shouldn't purposely lose the games he happens to be in great position to win, which is what the coach did that game.

I got you.
I'm generally okay with sex but not with people doing dirty things.

[Inigo Montoya]

I got you.
I'm generally okay with eating meat but not with killing cows.

Meh, I wouldn't say it's the same thing. You can lose a lot of games without the coach trying to lose on purpose. Players should play to win and coaches should coach to win and do the most with the roster they have available. What roster is available is up to the front office and GM, so if they give the coach a weak roster that will lose a lot of games then he will lose a lot of games, but he shouldn't purposely lose the games he happens to be in great position to win, which is what the coach did that game.

I got you.
I'm generally okay with sex but not with people doing dirty things.

Not fair. I can't make a joke and keep it clean, and I have a million of them.

[El Hespiritu]

Not fair. I can't make a joke and keep it clean, and I have a million of them.

Half joke, half serious.

My point is:

If you want to tank but you're not eager to throw games...

Then, you're a lame tanker.

And you will find there's other nine or ten teams not so moral and ethical like you. Their GMs would never allow players like Marc Gasol spending more time at court that with the fisios nor they would hire a coach unabled to take blatanly tanking decissions.

You'll never get Zion.

[Inigo Montoya]

Not fair. I can't make a joke and keep it clean, and I have a million of them.

Half joke, half serious.
My point is:
If you want to tank but you're no eager to throw games...

Then, you're a lame tanker.

And you will find there's other nine or ten teams not so moral and ethical like you. Their GMs would never allow players like Marc Gasol spending more time at court that with the fisios nor they would hire a coach unabled to take blatanly tanking decissions.

You'll never get Zion.

I think over the years it was proven you can be a terrible team without the coach or players throwing games. It would have been one thing if the Grizzlies' FO\GM or whomever, decided that Gasol shouldn't play at all and sit the game out. But once he was allowed to play and was absolutely killing the Jazz, the coach had no business benching him for most of the 2nd half, especially when they were positioned to win. That was a bridge too far. And I don't think many teams resorted to this way of throwing a game--the closest thing I can come up with is what the Warriors did in the last game of the season so they could keep their pick that became Harrison Barnes.

[El Hespiritu]

I think over the years it was proven you can be a terrible team without the coach or players throwing games. It would have been one thing if the Grizzlies' FO\GM or whomever, decided that Gasol shouldn't play at all and sit the game out. But once he was allowed to play and was absolutely killing the Jazz, the coach had no business benching him for most of the 2nd half, especially when they were positioned to win. That was a bridge too far. And I don't think many teams resorted to this way of throwing a game--the closest thing I can come up with is what the Warriors did in the last game of the season so they could keep their pick that became Harrison Barnes.

I think over the years it was proven you can be a terrible team without tanking.
If you're bad, you're bad. You're not tanking. You don't need to. You just need a newbie millionare owner convinced he knows more about basketball than anybody or a dumb GM paying maximums to fake stars.

You're tanking when you're good enough to win some games to get you out from lottery picks but you decide you will lose them.

And I see it year after year on a daily basis: Players killing it and being benched and players sucking and getting lots of minutes.

This is what tanking is about.

Succesful tanking, I mean.

[Inigo Montoya]

You're tanking when you're good enough to win some games to get you out from lottery picks but you decide you will lose them.

That depends on how it happens. If your front office deliberately constructs a weak team--weak enough that even if the coach and players try their best to win they'd still lose a lot of games, that's one thing. Or, if they have a team that will get to the lottery anyway but with 35 wins, and they choose to make it a 25 win team. That's still tanking, but still acceptable imho. But if in the course of a game, your weak team is actually doing well and is positioned to win, then it is not okay to lose that game on purpose, which is what the Grizzlies' coach did. There is a big difference between deciding to lose games on a managerial\FO level, and deciding to lose games on the coach\player level. In my humble opinion, the former is acceptable, the latter is not.

[El Hespiritu]

There is a big difference between deciding to lose games on a managerial\FO level, and deciding to lose games on the coach\player level. In my humble opinion, the former is acceptable, the latter is not.

In my arrogant opinion, they are acceptable or unacceptable the same.

If I find acceptable loser FO decissions, it's absolutely consistent finding acceptable loser coaching decissions ("I sit this guy killing it and I order balls to that other guy sucking it") or loser player decissions ("I'll do my numbers and don't give a s*it about the rest") or even loser fanbase decissions ("Bench this guy! He's making us win games and we want Zion, not a no-man's land season!").

All of them are human beings with equal rights and deserve the same judgement.

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[Crunch 99]

Stop the Mack Attack!

I was looking at the new ESPN Power Rankings and they gave a shoutout to the Grizz' Shelvin Mack, saying that he has been spectacular in both the backup point guard and backup shooting guard roles. Over the last five games, Shelvin averaged 14.6 ppg on 58.7% and 55.6% 3 point shooting. For the Jazz, ESPN gave a shoutout to Jae Crowder.

They've got the Jazz ranked #11 and the Grizz #12. Go Jazz!

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25243455/nba-power-rankings-our-expert-panel-ranks-league-30-teams-ahead-week-5

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