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I think the Jazz are one player away, and I'm afraid that player isn't Mike Conley. I think that one player is an athletic, two-way forward who can attack off the dribble.
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Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are one player away, and I'm afraid that player isn't Mike Conley. I think that one player is an athletic, two-way forward who can attack off the dribble.
I hate agreeing with a Giants fan, but I think you’re right. A stretch big who can guard in space and provide some rim protection would be the other type of player. I was really concerned that the Mavs might exploit their size and stretchiness more than they did today.
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SoCalJazzFan wrote:Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are one player away, and I'm afraid that player isn't Mike Conley. I think that one player is an athletic, two-way forward who can attack off the dribble.
I hate agreeing with a Giants fan, but I think you’re right. A stretch big who can guard in space and provide some rim protection would be the other type of player. I was really concerned that the Mavs might exploit their size and stretchiness more than they did today.
Perhaps a Jeff-Green-type?
I agree, but instead they went with Tucker, who is a 6'3" freak athlete, guard, who has awesome physical tools, but appears to be a season away from making any real impact. Maybe we'll see Brantley playing on the varsity team soon. He's been beasting the G-League lately:
News: 2 days ago: Brantley tallied 25 points (11-19 FG, 1-3 3Pt, 2-3 FT) along with nine rebounds in an overtime win over Stockton on Friday.
Spin: The rookie continued an extended hot stretch in which he has averaged 21.7 points over his last 13 contests. Though he has logged only nine minutes of NBA action this season, Brantley is making a name for himself in the G League with per-game averages of 19.0 points and 7.5 rebounds.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3912292/jarrell-brantley
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zero24gravity wrote:SoCalJazzFan wrote:Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are one player away, and I'm afraid that player isn't Mike Conley. I think that one player is an athletic, two-way forward who can attack off the dribble.
I hate agreeing with a Giants fan, but I think you’re right. A stretch big who can guard in space and provide some rim protection would be the other type of player. I was really concerned that the Mavs might exploit their size and stretchiness more than they did today.
Perhaps a Jeff-Green-type?
I agree, but instead they went with Tucker, who is a 6'3" freak athlete, guard, who has awesome physical tools, but appears to be a season away from making any real impact. Maybe we'll see Brantley playing on the varsity team soon. He's been beasting the G-League lately:
News: 2 days ago: Brantley tallied 25 points (11-19 FG, 1-3 3Pt, 2-3 FT) along with nine rebounds in an overtime win over Stockton on Friday.
Spin: The rookie continued an extended hot stretch in which he has averaged 21.7 points over his last 13 contests. Though he has logged only nine minutes of NBA action this season, Brantley is making a name for himself in the G League with per-game averages of 19.0 points and 7.5 rebounds.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3912292/jarrell-brantley
We want someone who more or less looks like Jeff Green, but is interested enough to play hard. Brantley is an interesting player. His measurements are the same as Draymond (height & wingspan) and he has a versatile, all-around game that can fit in. He just needs to boost his 3pt shooting from 31% to about 37%.
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Catchall wrote:zero24gravity wrote:SoCalJazzFan wrote:I hate agreeing with a Giants fan, but I think you’re right. A stretch big who can guard in space and provide some rim protection would be the other type of player. I was really concerned that the Mavs might exploit their size and stretchiness more than they did today.
Perhaps a Jeff-Green-type?
I agree, but instead they went with Tucker, who is a 6'3" freak athlete, guard, who has awesome physical tools, but appears to be a season away from making any real impact. Maybe we'll see Brantley playing on the varsity team soon. He's been beasting the G-League lately:
News: 2 days ago: Brantley tallied 25 points (11-19 FG, 1-3 3Pt, 2-3 FT) along with nine rebounds in an overtime win over Stockton on Friday.
Spin: The rookie continued an extended hot stretch in which he has averaged 21.7 points over his last 13 contests. Though he has logged only nine minutes of NBA action this season, Brantley is making a name for himself in the G League with per-game averages of 19.0 points and 7.5 rebounds.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3912292/jarrell-brantley
We want someone who more or less looks like Jeff Green, but is interested enough to play hard. Brantley is an interesting player. His measurements are the same as Draymond (height & wingspan) and he has a versatile, all-around game that can fit in. He just needs to boost his 3pt shooting from 31% to about 37%.
in our situation i think Brantley don need to boost any thing he should be playing already in Jazz uni
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I'm ready for Chris Paul. Conley for Paul. I think we are one player away from being a championship caliber team and the frontrunner out West. Conley was supposed to be that guy, but he's not. Even if he gets healthy, it seems he's lost a step. Don't blame him at all, still one of my favorite players ever, still a great guy...but I want a championship. That being said, I'm not adding any assets to Conley to make it happen. Paul's last year (and every year) is UGLY.
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Of course, if Conley isn't a good fit because he needs the ball, then Paul might not be, either.
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Monte Morris or Aaron Holiday?
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babyjax13 wrote:Of course, if Conley isn't a good fit because he needs the ball, then Paul might not be, either.
While the fit might not be better, at least Paul is a competent ball player, is a good decesion maker, and plays with passion instead of the "ah shucks" attitude.
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I would love either of those guys but we don't have the assets for either one. Well of guys we would move at least.Joel Embust wrote:Monte Morris or Aaron Holiday?
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Posted this, kinda like it:
Utah trades: Mike Conley, Ed Davis, Nigel Williams-Goss, Emmanuel Mudiay 2024 UTA 1st (top 10 protected, 2 2nds)
Utah receives: Patty Mills, DeMarre Carroll, Marco Belinelli, Derrick White
Why Utah does it: Utah cuts down on their salary obligations for next season, while also adding two guards who seem like perfect fits in Quin's system (in Mills and White). Marco can reclaim the Kyle Korver role from last season as a bomber that can come in for 10 minutes a game, and while Carroll has sucked, he's at least a good hypothetical fit at power forward for us. Carroll's last year is guarenteed for $1.35 million, so we are reducing cap commitments next season, but slightly increasing them the season after. Ideally Mills would be replaced with Rudy Gay here, but that might be asking too much. (to be clear, this reduces our salary commitment next year by about $16 million, which is why I think the second trade is appropriate).
San Antonio trades: Patty Mills, DeMarre Carroll, Marco Belinelli, Derrick White, Bryn Forbes
San Antonio receives: Mike Conley, Nigel Williams-Goss (released?), Emmanuel Mudiay, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2024 UTA 1st (top 10 protected, 2 2nds)
San Antonio kicks the tires on Conley, who I think would look much better in their system. They also add what basically amounts to two late firsts (obviously the Warriors pick is in the 2nd round, but it will be one of the first three picks) and can take a look at Mudiay who has actually been pretty good in Utah (and would likely benefit a lot from being coached by both Pop and Quin Snyder in the same season). This seems to fit with the Spurs' overall trajectory. Remain competitive, fill out the roster with young role players, when the old guys retire, hopefully those players are ready to be a good supporting cast to whoever they draft.
Dallas trades: 2020 GSW 2nd
Dallas receives: Ed Davis (via TPE), Bryn Forbes (via TPE)
Why Dallas does it: Honestly the main motivation is going to be to get a larger TPE than they currently have, while also adding some rotation level players (see below).
Trade 2:
Utah trades: nada
Dallas trades: Courtney Lee, 2020 UTA 2nd
And there it is, a slightly larger TPE. Lee is expiring, so it isn't a huge deal for Utah to take him. We also get back our 2nd round pick, which meh, but is at least something.
Depth chart:
Rudy/Bradley
Royce/Bojan/Carroll
Bojan/Joe/Clarkson
Joe/Clarkson/White
Donovan/White/Patty
Some kind of follow up would need to happen because we'd be jammed at the guard positions. Maybe a swap of Patty Mills for Cody Zeller. So...
Rudy/Zeller/Bradley
Royce/Bojan/Carroll
Bojan/Joe/Clarkson
Joe/Clarkson/White
Donovan/White
Utah trades: Mike Conley, Ed Davis, Nigel Williams-Goss, Emmanuel Mudiay 2024 UTA 1st (top 10 protected, 2 2nds)
Utah receives: Patty Mills, DeMarre Carroll, Marco Belinelli, Derrick White
Why Utah does it: Utah cuts down on their salary obligations for next season, while also adding two guards who seem like perfect fits in Quin's system (in Mills and White). Marco can reclaim the Kyle Korver role from last season as a bomber that can come in for 10 minutes a game, and while Carroll has sucked, he's at least a good hypothetical fit at power forward for us. Carroll's last year is guarenteed for $1.35 million, so we are reducing cap commitments next season, but slightly increasing them the season after. Ideally Mills would be replaced with Rudy Gay here, but that might be asking too much. (to be clear, this reduces our salary commitment next year by about $16 million, which is why I think the second trade is appropriate).
San Antonio trades: Patty Mills, DeMarre Carroll, Marco Belinelli, Derrick White, Bryn Forbes
San Antonio receives: Mike Conley, Nigel Williams-Goss (released?), Emmanuel Mudiay, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2024 UTA 1st (top 10 protected, 2 2nds)
San Antonio kicks the tires on Conley, who I think would look much better in their system. They also add what basically amounts to two late firsts (obviously the Warriors pick is in the 2nd round, but it will be one of the first three picks) and can take a look at Mudiay who has actually been pretty good in Utah (and would likely benefit a lot from being coached by both Pop and Quin Snyder in the same season). This seems to fit with the Spurs' overall trajectory. Remain competitive, fill out the roster with young role players, when the old guys retire, hopefully those players are ready to be a good supporting cast to whoever they draft.
Dallas trades: 2020 GSW 2nd
Dallas receives: Ed Davis (via TPE), Bryn Forbes (via TPE)
Why Dallas does it: Honestly the main motivation is going to be to get a larger TPE than they currently have, while also adding some rotation level players (see below).
Trade 2:
Utah trades: nada
Dallas trades: Courtney Lee, 2020 UTA 2nd
And there it is, a slightly larger TPE. Lee is expiring, so it isn't a huge deal for Utah to take him. We also get back our 2nd round pick, which meh, but is at least something.
Depth chart:
Rudy/Bradley
Royce/Bojan/Carroll
Bojan/Joe/Clarkson
Joe/Clarkson/White
Donovan/White/Patty
Some kind of follow up would need to happen because we'd be jammed at the guard positions. Maybe a swap of Patty Mills for Cody Zeller. So...
Rudy/Zeller/Bradley
Royce/Bojan/Carroll
Bojan/Joe/Clarkson
Joe/Clarkson/White
Donovan/White
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Davis and some 2nds for Jabari Parker work for you all?
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In regards to Chris Paul, he’s like 3rd in usage on his team, i don’t think he would have issues fitting in here
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Teams that are trying to get guys off their roster to rebuild and/or avoid luxury tax:
-- Golden State: Burks, Robinson III, etc. etc.
-- OKC: CP3, Adams, Gallinari, maybe Schroeder, maybe Noel
-- Detroit: Drummond, Rose, Morris, Kennard, etc. etc.
-- Cleveland: Love, Thompson, etc.
-- Orlando: Fournier, Ross, Augustin, maybe Vucevic, maybe Gordon
Guys I think the Jazz would be interested in:
-- Schroeder and Noel from OKC
-- Portis and maybe Randle from NYK
-- Nance from Cle
-- Robinson III from GSW
-- Gordon or even Vucevic from Orl
-- Golden State: Burks, Robinson III, etc. etc.
-- OKC: CP3, Adams, Gallinari, maybe Schroeder, maybe Noel
-- Detroit: Drummond, Rose, Morris, Kennard, etc. etc.
-- Cleveland: Love, Thompson, etc.
-- Orlando: Fournier, Ross, Augustin, maybe Vucevic, maybe Gordon
Guys I think the Jazz would be interested in:
-- Schroeder and Noel from OKC
-- Portis and maybe Randle from NYK
-- Nance from Cle
-- Robinson III from GSW
-- Gordon or even Vucevic from Orl
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NWG, Es Davis, and Niang is enough salary to net us Thad Young. we add a couple seconds and do you think Chicago takes it? we can then promote Juwan Morgan to the active roster as well and chicago can just cut some scrubs.
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To illustrate the problem with our defense in the 2nd unit, imagine taking Ed Davis off the floor and replacing him with Steven Adams. If the Jazz want to play small guards like Conley and Clarkson who want the ball, want to shoot and are limited defensively, then we need to have a legit defensive presence on the floor along with them. Ed Davis isn't that guy. Tony Bradley isn't entirely that guy either, but he's bigger than Ed is at least.
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Catchall wrote:To illustrate the problem with our defense in the 2nd unit, imagine taking Ed Davis off the floor and replacing him with Steven Adams. If the Jazz want to play small guards like Conley and Clarkson who want the ball, want to shoot and are limited defensively, then we need to have a legit defensive presence on the floor along with them. Ed Davis isn't that guy. Tony Bradley isn't entirely that guy either, but he's bigger than Ed is at least.
You want to pay 25 million for 14 minutes a night of Steven Adams?
Thad Young is the best suggestion so far, a guy whose impact doesn't show up in the box score most nights but does so much off the ball (mostly defensively) which makes it difficult for the opposition. I actually think Juwan Morgan could be that guy for us.
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Tom349 wrote:Catchall wrote:To illustrate the problem with our defense in the 2nd unit, imagine taking Ed Davis off the floor and replacing him with Steven Adams. If the Jazz want to play small guards like Conley and Clarkson who want the ball, want to shoot and are limited defensively, then we need to have a legit defensive presence on the floor along with them. Ed Davis isn't that guy. Tony Bradley isn't entirely that guy either, but he's bigger than Ed is at least.
You want to pay 25 million for 14 minutes a night of Steven Adams?
Thad Young is the best suggestion so far, a guy whose impact doesn't show up in the box score most nights but does so much off the ball (mostly defensively) which makes it difficult for the opposition. I actually think Juwan Morgan could be that guy for us.
No, I'm pointing to an example of a big, physical defensive center that you need to have if your guards are as limited defensively as Conley and Clarkson.
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Catchall wrote:Tom349 wrote:Catchall wrote:To illustrate the problem with our defense in the 2nd unit, imagine taking Ed Davis off the floor and replacing him with Steven Adams. If the Jazz want to play small guards like Conley and Clarkson who want the ball, want to shoot and are limited defensively, then we need to have a legit defensive presence on the floor along with them. Ed Davis isn't that guy. Tony Bradley isn't entirely that guy either, but he's bigger than Ed is at least.
You want to pay 25 million for 14 minutes a night of Steven Adams?
Thad Young is the best suggestion so far, a guy whose impact doesn't show up in the box score most nights but does so much off the ball (mostly defensively) which makes it difficult for the opposition. I actually think Juwan Morgan could be that guy for us.
No, I'm pointing to an example of a big, physical defensive center that you need to have if your guards are as limited defensively as Conley and Clarkson.
Big physical defensive centers don't play back up minutes and cost 15m a season minimum. Regardless our issue is our off the ball defense which a different back up center isn't going to fix. Guys aren't making the right read and rotating to make execute that read. Clarkson and Bogey in particular are awful at rotating.
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Tom349 wrote:Catchall wrote:Tom349 wrote:
You want to pay 25 million for 14 minutes a night of Steven Adams?
Thad Young is the best suggestion so far, a guy whose impact doesn't show up in the box score most nights but does so much off the ball (mostly defensively) which makes it difficult for the opposition. I actually think Juwan Morgan could be that guy for us.
No, I'm pointing to an example of a big, physical defensive center that you need to have if your guards are as limited defensively as Conley and Clarkson.
Big physical defensive centers don't play back up minutes and cost 15m a season minimum. Regardless our issue is our off the ball defense which a different back up center isn't going to fix. Guys aren't making the right read and rotating to make execute that read. Clarkson and Bogey in particular are awful at rotating.
The Jazz's defensive scheme has been to funnel the offensive player to the big. They do it instinctively all game, and they rotate players interchangeably. They need a defensive backup big. Baynes costs under $5M.
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