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Jazztop wrote:We get nothing with Clarkson but the picks can be useful and Exum was simply a bad investment - with both the pick and the extension. Not as bad some Jazz fans make out but after 5 years we know he wasn’t going to give us anything. Happy to move on.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:Jazztop wrote:We get nothing with Clarkson but the picks can be useful and Exum was simply a bad investment - with both the pick and the extension. Not as bad some Jazz fans make out but after 5 years we know he wasn’t going to give us anything. Happy to move on.
The Jazz were the ones who gave away the two picks.
tugs wrote:Clarkson started off as a PG with the Lakers, this was before they drafted Russell. He was a solid PnR player with a consistent midrange J and floater, and gets the ball in rolls and pops for his bigs. Had great chemistry with the likes of Carlos Boozer and Ed Davis.
Just throwing it out there since for sure this aspect of his game has been overshadowed by his scoring.
It'll be interesting what his role would be under Coach Q.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
pickIBL wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:pickIBL wrote:I'm surprised how so many folks came out saying dante would not be moved.... now... crickets.
And? One day Mitchell might be traded? Where's the people that said Exum wouldn't make a living in the NBA? Looks like other teams see value in the kid and are willing to take a chance on him. Not sure what your point is?
I'm sorry but that's a weak statement. Most players dont stay with the same team their entire career.
Situations arise and you gotta make a call. We are talking about specific scenarios with finite parameters.
One example was should gordon be traded pre emptively or not. Most folks were in the no trade camp. They were wrong. The minority was right.
This fall a contigent of fans thought no way dante would be moved. This was despite the fact he hasnt developed, is oft injured, has the only sizable contract to bring anything back, and the jazz had just gone chips in with senior citizen conley.
It was clear dante was the most likely piece to be moved. Somehow the obvious evaded a sizeable contigent. Because the arguments made where waaay off.
Crunch 99 wrote:tugs wrote:Clarkson started off as a PG with the Lakers, this was before they drafted Russell. He was a solid PnR player with a consistent midrange J and floater, and gets the ball in rolls and pops for his bigs. Had great chemistry with the likes of Carlos Boozer and Ed Davis.
Just throwing it out there since for sure this aspect of his game has been overshadowed by his scoring.
It'll be interesting what his role would be under Coach Q.
It would be nice if Jordan could help Davis get a bucket or two, though helping Davis isn't going to be his focus. Davis' per 36 min numbers on offense have fallen off a cliff this season to arrive at horrible and barely discernible.
I am optimistic that Clarkson can give our bench a good boost on offense. But I hope his help on offense is not outweighed by poor defense. He has a lot of poor defense ratings. But I found one that wasn't negative: DRPM this season at +0.19.
Inigo Montoya wrote:Jazztop wrote:We get nothing with Clarkson but the picks can be useful and Exum was simply a bad investment - with both the pick and the extension. Not as bad some Jazz fans make out but after 5 years we know he wasn’t going to give us anything. Happy to move on.
The Jazz were the ones who gave away the two picks.
Denizfeital wrote:Exum was a completely waste for The Jazz. A bust. Nothing against the guy, seems to be a nice fella. 5 years paying high amount of money for nothing.
My wife, who doesn’t follow The Jazz as close as I do, (not even close), used to mention him as “that guy who is never healthy”. That says a ton.
I am glad he left. It is not like he was fired. He still will be able to manage tons of millions of dollars regardless. Good for him, good for The Jazz. A win win situation.
Regards.
ForeverRDjazz wrote:Crunch 99 wrote:tugs wrote:Clarkson started off as a PG with the Lakers, this was before they drafted Russell. He was a solid PnR player with a consistent midrange J and floater, and gets the ball in rolls and pops for his bigs. Had great chemistry with the likes of Carlos Boozer and Ed Davis.
Just throwing it out there since for sure this aspect of his game has been overshadowed by his scoring.
It'll be interesting what his role would be under Coach Q.
It would be nice if Jordan could help Davis get a bucket or two, though helping Davis isn't going to be his focus. Davis' per 36 min numbers on offense have fallen off a cliff this season to arrive at horrible and barely discernible.
I am optimistic that Clarkson can give our bench a good boost on offense. But I hope his help on offense is not outweighed by poor defense. He has a lot of poor defense ratings. But I found one that wasn't negative: DRPM this season at +0.19.
I think Bradley is already ahead of Davis and has earned that time. Until Davis starts killing it on the boards and D he's not worth playing that back up minutes. And I had high hopes when he was signed.
ForeverRDjazz wrote:pickIBL wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:And? One day Mitchell might be traded? Where's the people that said Exum wouldn't make a living in the NBA? Looks like other teams see value in the kid and are willing to take a chance on him. Not sure what your point is?
I'm sorry but that's a weak statement. Most players dont stay with the same team their entire career.
Situations arise and you gotta make a call. We are talking about specific scenarios with finite parameters.
One example was should gordon be traded pre emptively or not. Most folks were in the no trade camp. They were wrong. The minority was right.
This fall a contigent of fans thought no way dante would be moved. This was despite the fact he hasnt developed, is oft injured, has the only sizable contract to bring anything back, and the jazz had just gone chips in with senior citizen conley.
It was clear dante was the most likely piece to be moved. Somehow the obvious evaded a sizeable contigent. Because the arguments made where waaay off.
I was in the let Hayward walk or trade camp didn't feel he was a max player. Good yeah max no. I was in the groom Dante camp but that time has passed with the win now camp and Jordan C gives us the win now mold. Your acting like Dante never had or has a chance to become a good player and all cocky now the jazz moved out of the grooming mold to win mold. plz don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. But crap if that'll make you feel better about yourself. Plz throw one on your back for me while your at it!
Jampod wrote:We're contenders now.
pickIBL wrote:Jampod wrote:We're contenders now.
What is this... Major League?
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
KqWIN wrote:Clarkson is having a good year, but I don't think this team needed another ball hog. Mudiay and Clarkson together, the ball is never going to move.
KqWIN wrote:Clarkson is having a good year, but I don't think this team needed another ball hog. Mudiay and Clarkson together, the ball is never going to move.
pickIBL wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:pickIBL wrote:I'm sorry but that's a weak statement. Most players dont stay with the same team their entire career.
Situations arise and you gotta make a call. We are talking about specific scenarios with finite parameters.
One example was should gordon be traded pre emptively or not. Most folks were in the no trade camp. They were wrong. The minority was right.
This fall a contigent of fans thought no way dante would be moved. This was despite the fact he hasnt developed, is oft injured, has the only sizable contract to bring anything back, and the jazz had just gone chips in with senior citizen conley.
It was clear dante was the most likely piece to be moved. Somehow the obvious evaded a sizeable contigent. Because the arguments made where waaay off.
I was in the let Hayward walk or trade camp didn't feel he was a max player. Good yeah max no. I was in the groom Dante camp but that time has passed with the win now camp and Jordan C gives us the win now mold. Your acting like Dante never had or has a chance to become a good player and all cocky now the jazz moved out of the grooming mold to win mold. plz don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. But crap if that'll make you feel better about yourself. Plz throw one on your back for me while your at it!
Dude you need to focus in on the dante exum aint going anywhere even after the conley move posts. That's what I'm talking about. Stop muddying the waters with the years ago stuff. I'm not giving anyone crap for that.
eLo wrote:i dont know about this trade, Clarkson is having very good season, and lately he is playing truly terrific, but in same way he is stat filling for terrible team, and we all know he is low iq ball hog ... I would rather give Mundiay more playing time, but i guess we would figure out soon was this a good or bad move
