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Seriously....does this guy do anything well besides shoot open jumpers? Dont get me wrong, he is an elite catch and shoot guy and we've needed that the past few years....but everything else about his game is CHARMIN SOFT.

His signature move is to drive the paint, flop, complain to the ref, and watch his man score on a fast break. And where are the rebounds and assists? Im starting to see why this guy hasnt found a home in the NBA despite his shooting talent.

We knew who he was before we signed him. He was never a good rebounder or passer. His career averages are 3.5REB and 1.5AST. Actually, he's averaging 4.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists this season, which are career highs for him.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to expect these things from him--those were never things he contributed much to. It was the responsibility of the front office to bring in other players who could contribute in these areas.

Bogey is a great... SF, not PF, because he cannot rebound or defend inside. We miss Favors badly, not as PF, but C. He was almost duplicate what Gobert was doing, at least in deffense and rebounding.

Inigo Montoya wrote:We knew who he was before we signed him. He was never a good rebounder or passer. His career averages are 3.5REB and 1.5AST. Actually, he's averaging 4.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists this season, which are career highs for him.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to expect these things from him--those were never things he contributed much to. It was the responsibility of the front office to bring in other players who could contribute in these areas.

Fair enough. How about the flopping? And can we, you know, coach him away from doing that in the future?

BarneyGumble wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:We knew who he was before we signed him. He was never a good rebounder or passer. His career averages are 3.5REB and 1.5AST. Actually, he's averaging 4.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists this season, which are career highs for him.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to expect these things from him--those were never things he contributed much to. It was the responsibility of the front office to bring in other players who could contribute in these areas.

Fair enough. How about the flopping? And can we, you know, coach him away from doing that in the future?

Don't we need floppers on our team? Every team needs a few of those.

He is starting to go in my doghouse as well.. but not sure if this is Quin fault or not.

1. Turnover king. his ball handing skills are weak.
2. Like people said if the Jazz wanted an extra scorer then they got one. Great catch and shoot and i would rather him take final shots then Mitchell
3. Rebounds are a career high but i believe he plays more PF then SF. he is not a PF. I understand that positions in the NBA are slowly irrelevant but it does make a difference in match ups with opposition players

Why Quin fault.. i don't think he has a clue and I am not sure he still has got his rotations right. I would rather the Jazz start with Rudy, Niang Bogey, Mitchell and Conley as Niang is better rebounder and can play PF so Bogey can be the spot up shooter rather than trying to create shots low or beyond the arc.. and have Bradley, Ingles , O,Neale, Clarkson and Mudiay as the backup. Then mix and match the starters with the 2nd unit for short bursts

Quin is quickly going into my doghouse than bogey... not playing a big body PG in Mudiay is killing this team as he gets separation, gets into the paint and forces defences to collapse and can hit mid range jumpers

BarneyGumble wrote:Im starting to see why this guy hasnt found a home in the NBA despite his shooting talent.

despite all good he brings You are probably right with that sentence

He's really good at what he does, but he is overrated. Ingles and O'Neale are both better players and provide things that are more valuable to this team. If someone is to be benched, it has to be Conley or Bogey. Ingles and O'Neale have to be on the court when it matters.

I feel like I live in some bizzarro world.

Whatever. Wake me up when the playoffs approach.

There's a reason he makes 17 million per year instead of max money. Yes he has flaws and his drives to the basket where he loses the ball a lot are frustrating but his spacing and gravity is critical for this offense to succeed

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CAE15 wrote:There's a reason he makes 17 million per year instead of max money. Yes he has flaws and his drives to the basket where he loses the ball a lot are frustrating but his spacing and gravity is critical for this offense to succeed

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The Jazz record would be a whole lot less sexy if Bogey wasn't playing - he has bailed the team out scoring countless times this season. He is a perfect third wheel on offense. He has his flaws but he's getting paid to get buckets, and he his. Kinda like Clarkson. Jazz would be trash without either of those guys.

Inigo Montoya wrote:We knew who he was before we signed him. He was never a good rebounder or passer. His career averages are 3.5REB and 1.5AST. Actually, he's averaging 4.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists this season, which are career highs for him.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to expect these things from him--those were never things he contributed much to. It was the responsibility of the front office to bring in other players who could contribute in these areas.

Bogey is more a SF and we need a true PF. Love. And Conley has upped his value last week but just doesn't fit with the smaller Mitchell for a starting lineup. I'd rather see Jordan C play SG with Mitchell at Point. Tonight bogey should be getting 8 to 10 boards anything less would be bad news with small ball Rockets.

I heard a stat from the announcers during last night's game against the Rockets saying that Bogey is the number one three point percentage shooter in the league on wide open threes.

Last night he hit a non wide open three to win the game, his second game winner with no time on the clock this season. Bogey makes some mistakes, but he has multiple skills and he competes hard. And he's not afraid of the big moment.

Regarding TOVs, he was 2.9 TOVs/game the first 25 games and is 2.1 TOVs/game the last 15 games, so hopefully we are seeing some improvement there that he can sustain. Go Jazz!

what a great jinx thread, thank you

Bogy was easily the best addition to this team last season. He's the least of this team's problems. The lack of balance in terms of the roster is the problem. No real PF is a problem. No decent anchor in the paint behind Gobert is a problem. Lack of defensive focus is a problem.

The FO dumped assets into Conley when what they really needed was to find a way to keep Favors, but still add Bogey.

I've always been a big fan of Conley, and I still think he's a great player. I just don't think he's what this roster/system needs.

mudsak wrote:Bogy was easily the best addition to this team last season. He's the least of this team's problems. The lack of balance in terms of the roster is the problem. No real PF is a problem. No decent anchor in the paint behind Gobert is a problem. Lack of defensive focus is a problem.

The FO dumped assets into Conley when what they really needed was to find a way to keep Favors, but still add Bogey.

I've always been a big fan of Conley, and I still think he's a great player. I just don't think he's what this roster/system needs.

Those are good points. Especially with the emergence of Clarkson as a ball handler I think the Jazz are "overdeep" in that department. Bogey was brought in to space the floor and hit clutch shots and he is no doubt doing that. What he needs to stop doing is driving into traffic, getting cleanly stripped and then flopping and not getting back on defense. He is actually pretty good getting the rack in isolation but the dude's handle is not well-equipped for weaving through defenders - its pretty much a guaranteed TO when he pushes that hard. I honestly think he can be coached out of this bad habit and focus on what he is elite at.

MTJazzv3 wrote:

mudsak wrote:Bogy was easily the best addition to this team last season. He's the least of this team's problems. The lack of balance in terms of the roster is the problem. No real PF is a problem. No decent anchor in the paint behind Gobert is a problem. Lack of defensive focus is a problem.

The FO dumped assets into Conley when what they really needed was to find a way to keep Favors, but still add Bogey.

I've always been a big fan of Conley, and I still think he's a great player. I just don't think he's what this roster/system needs.

Those are good points. Especially with the emergence of Clarkson as a ball handler I think the Jazz are "overdeep" in that department. Bogey was brought in to space the floor and hit clutch shots and he is no doubt doing that. What he needs to stop doing is driving into traffic, getting cleanly stripped and then flopping and not getting back on defense. He is actually pretty good getting the rack in isolation but the dude's handle is not well-equipped for weaving through defenders - its pretty much a guaranteed TO when he pushes that hard. I honestly think he can be coached out of this bad habit and focus on what he is elite at.

Yeah, sometimes I think they let Bogy do a little too much, but he actually surprises me at times with what he's able to generate himself. He might look like a bit of a mess while making it happen, but he gets the job done. I'm ok with him botching a couple of plays in a game considering what he adds to the table. Overall I'd say his season has been pretty underrated. He's been pretty damn consistent throughout the season too.

I do think the big thing with Bogy handling the ball too much is that it's simply not all that necessary. Mitchell, Conley, Clarkson, Mudiay, and Ingles are all excellent ball handlers/playmakers. There simply shouldn't be much of a reason for Bogy to be dribbling the ball a whole lot from a system standpoint.

Goober wrote:what a great jinx thread, thank you

Happy to do my part

mudsak wrote:Bogy was easily the best addition to this team last season. He's the least of this team's problems. The lack of balance in terms of the roster is the problem. No real PF is a problem. No decent anchor in the paint behind Gobert is a problem. Lack of defensive focus is a problem.

The FO dumped assets into Conley when what they really needed was to find a way to keep Favors, but still add Bogey.

I've always been a big fan of Conley, and I still think he's a great player. I just don't think he's what this roster/system needs.

Agreed with all of this. I am guessing Bogey somehow fell into our laps after the Conley trade. I dont see our FO making the Conley trade if they knew we were signing Bogey from the start.....

As for my doghouse....he was in it because of lack of effort (and he's not the only one). During our losing streak he particularly stood out to me as a guy who would flop on offense and be cement-footed on defense and loose balls....I saw several plays where had he dove for the ball or even bent over for it, he would have come up with it....obviously his big shot against Houston helped him move out of my doghouse

Indeed

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