UTA v OKC
Posted: Sat Aug 1, 2020 8:46 pm
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Catchall wrote:Jazz didn't play hard. The Thunder were amped up, but the Jazz still should have been able to make a shot and grab a rebound. I think the fact that Mike is going to leave for the birth of his child may be putting a damper on the Jazz's efforts.
Crunch 99 wrote:I recorded the game, but I couldn't stand to watch the whole thing. I fast forwarded to late in the game with a small hope that maybe the Jazz would come back to make a game of it, and no, they didn't. Sadly, out of the top seven teams in the West, I think the Jazz are the least likely to catch fire and make a competitive playoff run. The other six teams all look capable of doing so. Even the Blazers, were they to sneak in to the playoffs, have a better chance to be competitive in the playoffs than the Jazz imo. Hope I am wrong.
If I'm a top seed in the west then I am praying the blazers don't make it in. Now that they have Nurkic back and he looks pretty damn good as well as Zach Collins they have the potential to be a completely different team. It is a shame that Ariza chose to sit out because if you add him to mix then I like there ability to match up with anyone.Crunch 99 wrote:I recorded the game, but I couldn't stand to watch the whole thing. I fast forwarded to late in the game with a small hope that maybe the Jazz would come back to make a game of it, and no, they didn't. Sadly, out of the top seven teams in the West, I think the Jazz are the least likely to catch fire and make a competitive playoff run. The other six teams all look capable of doing so. Even the Blazers, were they to sneak in to the playoffs, have a better chance to be competitive in the playoffs than the Jazz imo. Hope I am wrong.
sipclip wrote:It is amazing that the jazz front office and coaching staff somehow managed to build the laziest perimeter defensive group in the NBA. I feel so bad that Rudy has to deal with teammates that just flat out don't give a damn on that end of the court. It has to be extremely frustrating for him. At this point I can't blame Rudy when he looks disengaged on that end of the court as well.
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I can't believe we are once again stuck in no man's land like we were the last few years of the Dwill and Boozer era. I feel like this time we are in much worse shape though because we are about to be at the beginning of massive extensions for our 2 so called stars while being completely capped out and not have all our draft picks. This thing needs to be blown up but that takes balls and smarts and jazz management lack both. The funny part about all of this is that Brandon Clarke who is the player that the griz ended up snagging with our pick is the exact player that could have changed this teams fortune going forward. He is the ideal power forward to pair with Rudy because of his ability to stretch the floor but more importantly he is going to be an absolute beast defensively inside and out. He has that rare ability to switch on the perimeter and cover smaller guards and while being Kirilenko esque as a help side shot blocker. Pair Rudy with a Kirilenko type defender at the 4 and you would have a truly scary defense. In the end though I wanted Bazley so if it were up to me we still wouldn't have had that Kirilenko type but I like what I have seen from Bazley as well. Clarke looks like he could be special to me though.KqWIN wrote:sipclip wrote:It is amazing that the jazz front office and coaching staff somehow managed to build the laziest perimeter defensive group in the NBA. I feel so bad that Rudy has to deal with teammates that just flat out don't give a damn on that end of the court. It has to be extremely frustrating for him. At this point I can't blame Rudy when he looks disengaged on that end of the court as well.
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Feels like the entire team is just waiting for their turn to run no pass offense. Everyone just loafing around on defense and putting in no effort. This really shouldn't be a surprise given that this is how they left off. The break did not help. Quin had already lost this team and it's too late to implement winning principles. The players just don't care about winning.
sipclip wrote:I can't believe we are once again stuck in no man's land like we were the last few years of the Dwill and Boozer era. I feel like this time we are in much worse shape though because we are about to be at the beginning of massive extensions for our 2 so called stars while being completely capped out and not have all our draft picks. This thing needs to be blown up but that takes balls and smarts and jazz management lack both. The funny part about all of this is that Brandon Clarke who is the player that the griz ended up snagging with our pick is the exact player that could have changed this teams fortune going forward. He is the ideal power forward to pair with Rudy because of his ability to stretch the floor but more importantly he is going to be an absolute beast defensively inside and out. He has that rare ability to switch on the perimeter and cover smaller guards and while being Kirilenko esque as a help side shot blocker. Pair Rudy with a Kirilenko type defender at the 4 and you would have a truly scary defense. In the end though I wanted Bazley so if it were up to me we still wouldn't have had that Kirilenko type but I like what I have seen from Bazley as well. Clarke looks like he could be special to me though.KqWIN wrote:sipclip wrote:It is amazing that the jazz front office and coaching staff somehow managed to build the laziest perimeter defensive group in the NBA. I feel so bad that Rudy has to deal with teammates that just flat out don't give a damn on that end of the court. It has to be extremely frustrating for him. At this point I can't blame Rudy when he looks disengaged on that end of the court as well.
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Feels like the entire team is just waiting for their turn to run no pass offense. Everyone just loafing around on defense and putting in no effort. This really shouldn't be a surprise given that this is how they left off. The break did not help. Quin had already lost this team and it's too late to implement winning principles. The players just don't care about winning.
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sipclip wrote:I can't believe we are once again stuck in no man's land like we were the last few years of the Dwill and Boozer era. I feel like this time we are in much worse shape though because we are about to be at the beginning of massive extensions for our 2 so called stars while being completely capped out and not have all our draft picks. This thing needs to be blown up but that takes balls and smarts and jazz management lack both. The funny part about all of this is that Brandon Clarke who is the player that the griz ended up snagging with our pick is the exact player that could have changed this teams fortune going forward. He is the ideal power forward to pair with Rudy because of his ability to stretch the floor but more importantly he is going to be an absolute beast defensively inside and out. He has that rare ability to switch on the perimeter and cover smaller guards and while being Kirilenko esque as a help side shot blocker. Pair Rudy with a Kirilenko type defender at the 4 and you would have a truly scary defense. In the end though I wanted Bazley so if it were up to me we still wouldn't have had that Kirilenko type but I like what I have seen from Bazley as well. Clarke looks like he could be special to me though.KqWIN wrote:sipclip wrote:It is amazing that the jazz front office and coaching staff somehow managed to build the laziest perimeter defensive group in the NBA. I feel so bad that Rudy has to deal with teammates that just flat out don't give a damn on that end of the court. It has to be extremely frustrating for him. At this point I can't blame Rudy when he looks disengaged on that end of the court as well.
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Feels like the entire team is just waiting for their turn to run no pass offense. Everyone just loafing around on defense and putting in no effort. This really shouldn't be a surprise given that this is how they left off. The break did not help. Quin had already lost this team and it's too late to implement winning principles. The players just don't care about winning.
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This is definitely not a 55 win team but the big problem is that we are going to be trending backwards in the standings as teams like the mavs, griz, thunder and pelicans overtake us. I expect that to happen by next year. I also think you will see the blazers with a healthy Nurkic jump back ahead of us. That isn't even mentioning the warriors or rockets. Next year I don't think we are even a playoff team and that means we lose our draft pick as well.Catchall wrote:sipclip wrote:I can't believe we are once again stuck in no man's land like we were the last few years of the Dwill and Boozer era. I feel like this time we are in much worse shape though because we are about to be at the beginning of massive extensions for our 2 so called stars while being completely capped out and not have all our draft picks. This thing needs to be blown up but that takes balls and smarts and jazz management lack both. The funny part about all of this is that Brandon Clarke who is the player that the griz ended up snagging with our pick is the exact player that could have changed this teams fortune going forward. He is the ideal power forward to pair with Rudy because of his ability to stretch the floor but more importantly he is going to be an absolute beast defensively inside and out. He has that rare ability to switch on the perimeter and cover smaller guards and while being Kirilenko esque as a help side shot blocker. Pair Rudy with a Kirilenko type defender at the 4 and you would have a truly scary defense. In the end though I wanted Bazley so if it were up to me we still wouldn't have had that Kirilenko type but I like what I have seen from Bazley as well. Clarke looks like he could be special to me though.KqWIN wrote:
Feels like the entire team is just waiting for their turn to run no pass offense. Everyone just loafing around on defense and putting in no effort. This really shouldn't be a surprise given that this is how they left off. The break did not help. Quin had already lost this team and it's too late to implement winning principles. The players just don't care about winning.
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I don't think the Jazz are stuck. They're a 55-win team, and it's very difficult to take a step to becoming a legit 60-win team. From here, they need one more impact player--an athletic, two-way wing with length. They took a swing on Conley thinking he was the best player available to them, and it hasn't worked out. However, losing Jae Crowder, Grayson Allen and even Derrick Favors didn't change our outlook.
The Jazz can sit where they are, draft Paul Reed this year, and be as well off as they would be if they drafted Brandon Clarke last year. If they come away with Pokusevski, they might be even better off (though he won't contribute much in his first two years).
What you saw yesterday is a team playing without its 2nd leading scorer and with another starter getting ready to leave for the birth of his child. The team is thin and not really motivated to try to compete this year.
Also, if the Jazz could dump Conley and add Christian Wood in free agency, they might really have something. The only real problem with Conley is the opportunity cost imposed by his big salary. He should be making around $15M/year, and the $17M excess could pay for the player the Jazz really need.
sipclip wrote:This is definitely not a 55 win team but the big problem is that we are going to be trending backwards in the standings as teams like the mavs, griz, thunder and pelicans overtake us. I expect that to happen by next year. I also think you will see the blazers with a healthy Nurkic jump back ahead of us. That isn't even mentioning the warriors or rockets. Next year I don't think we are even a playoff team and that means we lose our draft pick as well.Catchall wrote:sipclip wrote:I can't believe we are once again stuck in no man's land like we were the last few years of the Dwill and Boozer era. I feel like this time we are in much worse shape though because we are about to be at the beginning of massive extensions for our 2 so called stars while being completely capped out and not have all our draft picks. This thing needs to be blown up but that takes balls and smarts and jazz management lack both. The funny part about all of this is that Brandon Clarke who is the player that the griz ended up snagging with our pick is the exact player that could have changed this teams fortune going forward. He is the ideal power forward to pair with Rudy because of his ability to stretch the floor but more importantly he is going to be an absolute beast defensively inside and out. He has that rare ability to switch on the perimeter and cover smaller guards and while being Kirilenko esque as a help side shot blocker. Pair Rudy with a Kirilenko type defender at the 4 and you would have a truly scary defense. In the end though I wanted Bazley so if it were up to me we still wouldn't have had that Kirilenko type but I like what I have seen from Bazley as well. Clarke looks like he could be special to me though.
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I don't think the Jazz are stuck. They're a 55-win team, and it's very difficult to take a step to becoming a legit 60-win team. From here, they need one more impact player--an athletic, two-way wing with length. They took a swing on Conley thinking he was the best player available to them, and it hasn't worked out. However, losing Jae Crowder, Grayson Allen and even Derrick Favors didn't change our outlook.
The Jazz can sit where they are, draft Paul Reed this year, and be as well off as they would be if they drafted Brandon Clarke last year. If they come away with Pokusevski, they might be even better off (though he won't contribute much in his first two years).
What you saw yesterday is a team playing without its 2nd leading scorer and with another starter getting ready to leave for the birth of his child. The team is thin and not really motivated to try to compete this year.
Also, if the Jazz could dump Conley and add Christian Wood in free agency, they might really have something. The only real problem with Conley is the opportunity cost imposed by his big salary. He should be making around $15M/year, and the $17M excess could pay for the player the Jazz really need.
This is the way I see it shaking out next year.
Clippers
Nuggets
Lakers
Warriors
Mavs
Pelicans
Blazers
Thunder
I don't even have the jazz, rockets or griz in the playoffs but if I'm going to bet on anyone carrying a team into the playoffs it is going to be on Harden over Mitchell and Gobert.
I also wouldn't sleep on the suns with Booker and Ayton combining for 50+ points a game. I really like the core group of wings surrounding those guys in Oubre, Bridges and Cameron Johnson as well. They are a nice mix of shooters, slashes and defenders to compliment Booker and Ayton. Rubio is also an excellent fit on that team because they have the bigs and wings to space the floor and let him operate.
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