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Post#1 » by GobertReport » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:42 pm

I think Gobert gets a 3 year 100 mill deal.

I think Clarkson gets a 3 year 46.5 mill

If we strike out on other FA’s in 2021 we give Conley a 3 year 45 mill.



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Post#2 » by red4hf » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:46 pm

Gobert's numbers look about right.....

I don't see Clarkson getting 15 mil a year...... Maybe something like $12......

Jazz will try to rework Conley's deal to create more space......

Jazz will deal Davis for the same reason.......
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Post#3 » by babyjax13 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:10 pm

Rudy will demand a supermax contract, and I think he will get more than the max, but less than the supermax. A max contract for Rudy I believe is (assuming the cap stays at $115.1 million the next two years due to covid)

$30,600,000 /// $33,048,000 /// $35,691,840 /// $38,547,187 = $137,887,027
That's a max contract with 8 percent raises.

I think the best option is to do a 'supermax' with 8% decreases in salary each year so the cost is upfront when he is at his best
$40,285,000 /// $37,062,200 /// $34,097,224 /// $31,369,446 = $142,813,870

I think that decreasing back end would be helpful to us, even though the upfront cost is frankly staggering. Rudy also ends up making $5 million more + whatever in interest from investments, etc. by being able to have more money upfront.
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Post#4 » by MTJazzv3 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:29 am

Call me crazy, but I don't think Rudy is worth that kind of money. Max guys don't get pouty and take nights off. After being a big fan of his, by the time the league shut down I was seriously annoyed with him. I don't get the vibe that he is a good "chemistry" guy at this stage of his career - and suspect a lot of the Jazz lack of chemistry this season had a lot to do with him. I could see him thrive in a different system/culture, but I think he lost his teammates in Utah. And seriously, a center that can't score from more than 2 feet from the basket and has no real playmaking ability isn't a player I'd like to see the Jazz to commit to. For max money I'd rather see a more versatile player. Team defense can make up for a lot.
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Post#5 » by TO11 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 2:24 am

MTJazzv3 wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think Rudy is worth that kind of money. Max guys don't get pouty and take nights off. After being a big fan of his, by the time the league shut down I was seriously annoyed with him. I don't get the vibe that he is a good "chemistry" guy at this stage of his career - and suspect a lot of the Jazz lack of chemistry this season had a lot to do with him. I could see him thrive in a different system/culture, but I think he lost his teammates in Utah. And seriously, a center that can't score from more than 2 feet from the basket and has no real playmaking ability isn't a player I'd like to see the Jazz to commit to. For max money I'd rather see a more versatile player. Team defense can make up for a lot.

I have to agree with this. I know a lot of people on this board think he is under appreciated, but I really think the chemistry with Rudy is gone and I don't think it has much to do with his game and more to do with his personality.
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Post#6 » by PharmD » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:14 am

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Now the cap coming in lower will decrease the absolute numbers, but Gobert qualifies for 40% of the cap year 1 with 8% annual raises.
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Post#7 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:38 pm

These numbers are insane. I'm sorry but Gobert is not worth these kinds of numbers. We can't build a contending team while paying him this kind of money.
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Post#8 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:38 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:These numbers are insane. I'm sorry but Gobert is not worth these kinds of numbers. We can't build a contending team while paying him this kind of money.

No one can, which is why no one will offer him a supermax. Given the shift in the NBA and Gobert's limitations, he is going to be paid handsomely, but not the supermax, IMO.
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Post#9 » by red4hf » Fri Oct 2, 2020 10:10 pm

Maybe something like 4 year, $140 mil extension for Rudy?
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Post#10 » by GobertReport » Fri Oct 2, 2020 10:28 pm

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Inigo Montoya wrote:These numbers are insane. I'm sorry but Gobert is not worth these kinds of numbers. We can't build a contending team while paying him this kind of money.

No one can, which is why no one will offer him a supermax. Given the shift in the NBA and Gobert's limitations, he is going to be paid handsomely, but not the supermax, IMO.


The only team that can offer him the Supermax is Utah.
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Post#11 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Oct 2, 2020 10:38 pm

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SoCalJazzFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:These numbers are insane. I'm sorry but Gobert is not worth these kinds of numbers. We can't build a contending team while paying him this kind of money.

No one can, which is why no one will offer him a supermax. Given the shift in the NBA and Gobert's limitations, he is going to be paid handsomely, but not the supermax, IMO.


The only team that can offer him the Supermax is Utah.

Good point, although I guess my point is that no one else would offer him that kind of money. Maybe $30M-$35M/yr, I really can't see any higher than that, otherwise it could end up being a bad contract.
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Post#12 » by MTJazzv3 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 5:36 pm

red4hf wrote:Maybe something like 4 year, $140 mil extension for Rudy?


I just don't see how the Jazz can build a contender in that 4-year window committing that much money to Rudy. The Jazz need to improve team defense and that starts on the wings. An average/above average rim protector would be more than sufficient for that while leaving some room for seriously needed defensive wing and bench upgrades. The Jazz already proved they have enough offensive fire power in their starting unit but not enough defense across the board.
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Post#13 » by red4hf » Sat Oct 3, 2020 6:37 pm

MTJazzv3 wrote:
red4hf wrote:Maybe something like 4 year, $140 mil extension for Rudy?


I just don't see how the Jazz can build a contender in that 4-year window committing that much money to Rudy. The Jazz need to improve team defense and that starts on the wings. An average/above average rim protector would be more than sufficient for that while leaving some room for seriously needed defensive wing and bench upgrades. The Jazz already proved they have enough offensive fire power in their starting unit but not enough defense across the board.


Who's available who fits that bill?
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Post#14 » by GobertReport » Sat Oct 3, 2020 9:55 pm

red4hf wrote:
MTJazzv3 wrote:
red4hf wrote:Maybe something like 4 year, $140 mil extension for Rudy?


I just don't see how the Jazz can build a contender in that 4-year window committing that much money to Rudy. The Jazz need to improve team defense and that starts on the wings. An average/above average rim protector would be more than sufficient for that while leaving some room for seriously needed defensive wing and bench upgrades. The Jazz already proved they have enough offensive fire power in their starting unit but not enough defense across the board.


Who's available who fits that bill?


Otto Porter is a good choice, maybe Robertson from OKC.
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Post#15 » by red4hf » Sat Oct 3, 2020 10:47 pm

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red4hf wrote:
MTJazzv3 wrote:
I just don't see how the Jazz can build a contender in that 4-year window committing that much money to Rudy. The Jazz need to improve team defense and that starts on the wings. An average/above average rim protector would be more than sufficient for that while leaving some room for seriously needed defensive wing and bench upgrades. The Jazz already proved they have enough offensive fire power in their starting unit but not enough defense across the board.


Who's available who fits that bill?


Otto Porter is a good choice, maybe Robertson from OKC.


When MTJazz said "above average rim protector" I assume he's talking about a Gobert replacement...... So, I meant, who's available to fit that bill......
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Post#16 » by GobertReport » Sun Oct 4, 2020 1:25 am

red4hf wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
red4hf wrote:
Who's available who fits that bill?


Otto Porter is a good choice, maybe Robertson from OKC.


When MTJazz said "above average rim protector" I assume he's talking about a Gobert replacement...... So, I meant, who's available to fit that bill......


Favors, DMC, Turner, etc.
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Post#17 » by PharmD » Sun Oct 4, 2020 7:49 am

babyjax13 wrote:Rudy will demand a supermax contract, and I think he will get more than the max, but less than the supermax. A max contract for Rudy I believe is (assuming the cap stays at $115.1 million the next two years due to covid)

$30,600,000 /// $33,048,000 /// $35,691,840 /// $38,547,187 = $137,887,027
That's a max contract with 8 percent raises.

I think the best option is to do a 'supermax' with 8% decreases in salary each year so the cost is upfront when he is at his best
$40,285,000 /// $37,062,200 /// $34,097,224 /// $31,369,446 = $142,813,870

I think that decreasing back end would be helpful to us, even though the upfront cost is frankly staggering. Rudy also ends up making $5 million more + whatever in interest from investments, etc. by being able to have more money upfront.

That's a 25% max, the kind Donovan Mitchell could sign. Every team in the league could offer Gobert a 35% max with 5% raises--40.3 /// 42.3 /// 44.4 /// 46.6 = 4yrs/173.6. The Jazz can offer him a 40% max with 8% raises, 5yrs/262
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Post#18 » by red4hf » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:15 am

GobertReport wrote:
red4hf wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Otto Porter is a good choice, maybe Robertson from OKC.


When MTJazz said "above average rim protector" I assume he's talking about a Gobert replacement...... So, I meant, who's available to fit that bill......


Favors, DMC, Turner, etc.


Favors, would love to have him back, but his nagging injuries are a concern..... Cousins? Not a rim protector by any stretch of imagination....... Jazz would have to give up assets to get Turner, do we even have any?
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Post#19 » by babyjax13 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 7:55 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:Rudy will demand a supermax contract, and I think he will get more than the max, but less than the supermax. A max contract for Rudy I believe is (assuming the cap stays at $115.1 million the next two years due to covid)

$30,600,000 /// $33,048,000 /// $35,691,840 /// $38,547,187 = $137,887,027
That's a max contract with 8 percent raises.

I think the best option is to do a 'supermax' with 8% decreases in salary each year so the cost is upfront when he is at his best
$40,285,000 /// $37,062,200 /// $34,097,224 /// $31,369,446 = $142,813,870

I think that decreasing back end would be helpful to us, even though the upfront cost is frankly staggering. Rudy also ends up making $5 million more + whatever in interest from investments, etc. by being able to have more money upfront.

That's a 25% max, the kind Donovan Mitchell could sign. Every team in the league could offer Gobert a 35% max with 5% raises--40.3 /// 42.3 /// 44.4 /// 46.6 = 4yrs/173.6. The Jazz can offer him a 40% max with 8% raises, 5yrs/262


Good catch. That's a terrifying amount of money, I think we have to trade him.
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Post#20 » by red4hf » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:32 pm

Nobody is giving Gobert that kind of money....... Not us, not anyone else......

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