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Post#41 » by red4hf » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:32 pm

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stitches wrote:Gobert made 3 All-NBA teams, won 2 DPOYs and made an all-star team in the last 3 years.

A certain player who barely played in those 3 years and has been heavily hit by injuries just got 4/120 contract.

There is zero chance Rudy is going to agree to anything less than 4/150... I don't think...


Hayward was paid the wing premium, I think Gobert will likely get the same money, maybe a bit more, 4 yr 140.


I don't think it's a wing premium, I just think whoever is running the Hornets is an idiot...... Not only base on this singning, mind you......
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Post#42 » by Catchall » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:39 pm

Maybe make it $132M with outlandish incentives to make it potentially $145M or something.
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Post#43 » by zero24gravity » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:13 pm

red4hf wrote:
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stitches wrote:Gobert made 3 All-NBA teams, won 2 DPOYs and made an all-star team in the last 3 years.

A certain player who barely played in those 3 years and has been heavily hit by injuries just got 4/120 contract.

There is zero chance Rudy is going to agree to anything less than 4/150... I don't think...


Hayward was paid the wing premium, I think Gobert will likely get the same money, maybe a bit more, 4 yr 140.


I don't think it's a wing premium, I just think whoever is running the Hornets is an idiot...... Not only base on this singning, mind you......



Yup, this. (sorry I don't have anything more to add.)
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Post#44 » by stitches » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:16 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
red4hf wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Hayward was paid the wing premium, I think Gobert will likely get the same money, maybe a bit more, 4 yr 140.


I don't think it's a wing premium, I just think whoever is running the Hornets is an idiot...... Not only base on this singning, mind you......



Yup, this. (sorry I don't have anything more to add.)

I mean Lowe is saying both Boston and Indiana had offers north of 100M too. Something between 105 and 110M. It's not the 120 he got but still pretty close.
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Post#45 » by zero24gravity » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:16 pm

Catchall wrote:I could see a deal around 4 years/$132M. Kawhi is on a 3-year deal at $103M, so an average of $31M/year.

Giving Gobert a 4-year deal at an average of $33M/year should be fine for both sides. I don't think the Jazz should go higher than that, tbh.

Mitchell's deal is an average of $33M/year.


Whatever Gobert signs for is a good deal for the Jazz, IMO. The lack of appreciation for his unique impact is astonishing. With that said, I'm more concerned with the number of years than I am the yearly amount. I'd prefer to see a shorter contract, so if his skill set erodes or injuries strike (common in big guys) in a couple years, the team isn't stuck with a plodding big man on a massive contract.
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Post#46 » by red4hf » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:34 pm

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zero24gravity wrote:
red4hf wrote:
I don't think it's a wing premium, I just think whoever is running the Hornets is an idiot...... Not only base on this singning, mind you......



Yup, this. (sorry I don't have anything more to add.)

I mean Lowe is saying both Boston and Indiana had offers north of 100M too. Something between 105 and 110M. It's not the 120 he got but still pretty close.


Boston and Indiana both dodged a bullet...... They should be thanking the Hornets....... Not that Gordon is a scrub, but his game is going to decline, he's not living up to that contract..... Not even close.......
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Post#47 » by red4hf » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:35 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
Catchall wrote:I could see a deal around 4 years/$132M. Kawhi is on a 3-year deal at $103M, so an average of $31M/year.

Giving Gobert a 4-year deal at an average of $33M/year should be fine for both sides. I don't think the Jazz should go higher than that, tbh.

Mitchell's deal is an average of $33M/year.


Whatever Gobert signs for is a good deal for the Jazz, IMO. The lack of appreciation for his unique impact is astonishing. With that said, I'm more concerned with the number of years than I am the yearly amount. I'd prefer to see a shorter contract, so if his skill set erodes or injuries strike (common in big guys) in a couple years, the team isn't stuck with a plodding big man on a massive contract.


So you're good with the Jazz paying him more than $40 mil a year?

He's an incredible player, but he's not worth that, especially since we'd be bidding against ourselves.......
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Post#48 » by zero24gravity » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:46 pm

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zero24gravity wrote:
Catchall wrote:I could see a deal around 4 years/$132M. Kawhi is on a 3-year deal at $103M, so an average of $31M/year.

Giving Gobert a 4-year deal at an average of $33M/year should be fine for both sides. I don't think the Jazz should go higher than that, tbh.

Mitchell's deal is an average of $33M/year.


Whatever Gobert signs for is a good deal for the Jazz, IMO. The lack of appreciation for his unique impact is astonishing. With that said, I'm more concerned with the number of years than I am the yearly amount. I'd prefer to see a shorter contract, so if his skill set erodes or injuries strike (common in big guys) in a couple years, the team isn't stuck with a plodding big man on a massive contract.


So you're good with the Jazz paying him more than $40 mil a year?

He's an incredible player, but he's not worth that, especially since we'd be bidding against ourselves.......


"good with" ... questionable. But much better than trading him for a player without half his impact and some future assets that are unlikely to ever reach close to his stature. (You think Mitchell is going to be ok with a 5 year rebuilding plan??) I love Favs, but if people think that he & a defensive wing (via Gobert trade) can replace Gobert for 35mpg, they are crazy.

You don't trade a player of Rudy's caliber unless you KNOW you're going to lose him, you can get an equal talented star in return (never happens), or unless you're totally blowing things up.

But that's just me.
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Post#49 » by red4hf » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:01 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
red4hf wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
Whatever Gobert signs for is a good deal for the Jazz, IMO. The lack of appreciation for his unique impact is astonishing. With that said, I'm more concerned with the number of years than I am the yearly amount. I'd prefer to see a shorter contract, so if his skill set erodes or injuries strike (common in big guys) in a couple years, the team isn't stuck with a plodding big man on a massive contract.


So you're good with the Jazz paying him more than $40 mil a year?

He's an incredible player, but he's not worth that, especially since we'd be bidding against ourselves.......


"good with" ... questionable. But much better than trading him for a player without half his impact and some future assets that are unlikely to ever reach close to his stature. (You think Mitchell is going to be ok with a 5 year rebuilding plan??) I love Favs, but if people think that he & a defensive wing (via Gobert trade) can replace Gobert for 35mpg, they are crazy.

You don't trade a player of Rudy's caliber unless you KNOW you're going to lose him, you can get an equal talented start in return (never happens), or unless you're totally blowing things up.

But that's just me.


I don't want to trade him either, but you also can't have a situation where he, Mitchell and Bojan account for like 70% of the Jazz payroll...... That's not going to work either.......
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Post#50 » by KqWIN » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:12 pm

No matter what the money amount is on Gobert’s contract, it doesn’t effect team building. It’s simply a higher tax bill. Question is, do we still want to be a good team with Mitchell before he leaves? If the answer is yes, you have to sign Gobert. You are not getting equal value back.
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Post#51 » by dr0welf » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:07 am

Trading Gobert makes this team worst in almost any plausible option. This is a no go for me. Unless you have some ridiculous offer that is hard to turn down you don't entertain even the thought of this.
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Post#52 » by Rauxcee » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:30 am

If the Jazz are going to trade Gobert they should trade Mitchell too. There is no point in keeping one without the other and there is no fair value in return, plus Mitchell is not going to go for a rebuild. I question if this team can even make the playoffs without Gobert - whatever we get in a trade will be a downgrade.

I'm one that would rather be good for as long as possible, even if the players don't get it done. I don't see the point in trading a known, high quality player, who is your best player, for a bunch of lesser players and a draft pick that may or may not work out. It's crazy logic.

But if the Jazz go that route, they need to trade Mitchell too and commit to a full rebuild with the best possible assets. Keeping Mitchell is just half assing it, and delaying the inevitable and lowering his trade value.
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Post#53 » by KqWIN » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:45 am

Potentially relevant for Gobert extension. Adams and Gobert got similar deals in 2016. It's a different market for C's.

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Post#54 » by GobertReport » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:41 am

KqWIN wrote:Potentially relevant for Gobert extension. Adams and Gobert got similar deals in 2016. It's a different market for C's.

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Post#55 » by KqWIN » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:33 am

My prediction is 5/$160. Flat at $32 M.
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Post#56 » by stitches » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:48 am

KqWIN wrote:Potentially relevant for Gobert extension. Adams and Gobert got similar deals in 2016. It's a different market for C's.

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I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me in what way is Adams better than Favors? I mean that... in any way possible. Favors is the better player offensively, better finisher, better shooter, better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder. There is nothing Adams does better on a basketball floor than Favors. Maybe availability? But when healthy Favors is the better player pretty clearly for me.
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Post#57 » by KqWIN » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:59 am

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Potentially relevant for Gobert extension. Adams and Gobert got similar deals in 2016. It's a different market for C's.

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I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me in what way is Adams better than Favors? I mean that... in any way possible. Favors is the better player offensively, better finisher, better shooter, better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder. There is nothing Adams does better on a basketball floor than Favors. Maybe availability? But when healthy Favors is the better player pretty clearly for me.


TBF, availability is important. I’d be scared to give Favors more than 24 minutes a game. Even that would be pushing it. But you’re right, healthy Favors is clearly better than Adams. But he’s better than a lot of C’s when healthy, he’s top 10.
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Post#58 » by MTJazzv3 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:05 am

I'm kind of like...if the Jazz can improve by trading Rudy for equal or better I'm all in. I was a champion of Rudy when he was in Corbin's doghouse, but he either signs on a Jazz favorable contract or willing to see him in the rear-view mirror. Yes, Rudy is - but f-him if he can't play with current roster based on ego. He and DM could be epic if he wasn't being such a prima donna.
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Post#59 » by Tom349 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:30 am

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Potentially relevant for Gobert extension. Adams and Gobert got similar deals in 2016. It's a different market for C's.

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I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me in what way is Adams better than Favors? I mean that... in any way possible. Favors is the better player offensively, better finisher, better shooter, better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder. There is nothing Adams does better on a basketball floor than Favors. Maybe availability? But when healthy Favors is the better player pretty clearly for me.


Teams must have little confidence in Favors being able to handle the workload of playing C on big minutes over the course of an 82 game season. Otherwise it makes little sense.

I wonder if Favors has reached a similar conclusion and is why he thinks being a back up to Rudy plus a few minutes at the four is best for the longevity of his career while also having the low key lifestyle he seemingly wants.
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Post#60 » by Catchall » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:17 pm

Jimmy Butler's current contract is 4 years and $140MM. I'd assume Gobert will be in that range.
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