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Post#61 » by sip » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:29 pm

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I think that's a good comp. But he doesn't look so laterally slow that he gets played off the court. I'm not sure where his upside is, but as a flier in the second round, I don't care too much. I can see a path where he can contribute to an NBA team.


It's good to bet on a roll man later in the draft. Lots of success stories there. Gobert, Whiteside, Jordan ect. I would much rather take two shots at a useful wing, however, because a productive wing is so much more valuable.


I think that's fair. I'm definitely in on Woodard, FWIW, the more I watch him. Hope that is the pick at 27 (unless Bolmaro is available). Getting major Miles Bridges but with defense vibes.
I'm getting a Jerome Kersey vibe from him. I was too young to see Kersey in his prime but based on the videos I have seen that is who he kind of reminds me of.

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Post#62 » by KqWIN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:51 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:Big board at 27 (based on tankathon mock draft 25 and lower)
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. Jaden McDaniels
3. Robert Woodard
4. Grant Riller
5. Immanuel Quickley
6. Isaiah Joe

Big board at 38
1. Grant Riller
2. Immanuel Quickley
3. Xavier Tillman
4. Nico Mannion
5. Killian Tillie
6. Udoka Azubuike
7. Mason Jones
8. Udoka Azubuike
9. Cassius Stanley


For the first time in years I won't have a board for this draft. Have barely watched any prospect...


You've had 17 years to watch this class....or so it seems :lol:
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Post#63 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:53 pm

Below is a breakdown of our salary situation and what I see as our offseason this year:

Salaries now
Mike Conley $34,504,132
Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
Joe Ingles $10,863,637
Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $5,005,350
Tony Bradley $3,542,060
Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
Nigel Williams-Goss $1,517,981 (ung)
Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
Rayjon Tucker $1,517,98 (ung)
Total: $117,859,175

Draft picks salaries:
27. $1,977,000 [calling this Robert Woodard]
38. $898,310 [calling this Grant Riller]

I think Tucker and Goss are gone, and replaced with the rookies. If you stretch Davis his cap hit goes to: $1,668,450, which saves us $3,336,900.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
6. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
7. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
8. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
9. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
10. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
11. Grant Riller $898,310
Total: $113,463,313

Salary Cap: $109,140,000
Luxury Tax: $132,627,000
MLE: $9,258,000
BAE: $3,623,000

Lets say we resign Clarkson for a bit above the MLE, say $10,000,000 ($123,463,313) that leaves $9,163,687 under the luxury tax with 11 players under contract. I assume we bring back Brantley and Morgan on the minimum. Each is $1,445,697. That leaves us a significant portion of the MLE remaining under the tax, and we can outbid all the teams using the taxpayer MLE.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Jordan Clarkson $10,000,000
6. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
7. MLE $6,272,293
8. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
9. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
10. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
11. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
12. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
13. Jarrell Brantley $1,445,697
14. Juwan Morgan $1,445,697
15. Grant Riller $898,310
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
Total: $132,627,000

Depth Chart
Rudy Gobert 34/Tony Bradley 14/Juwan Morgan
Bojan Bogdanovic 30/Goerges Niang 14/Jarrell Brantley 4
Royce O'neale 20/Joe Ingles 28
Donovan Mitchell 20/Jordan Clarkson 24/Royce O'neale 4
Mike Conley 28/Donovan Mitchell 14/Miye Oni 6/Grant Riller
So, one of those positions you improve with the MLE.
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Re: Draft Day Thread 

Post#64 » by KqWIN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:00 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Spoiler:
Below is a breakdown of our salary situation and what I see as our offseason this year:

Salaries now
Mike Conley $34,504,132
Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
Joe Ingles $10,863,637
Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $5,005,350
Tony Bradley $3,542,060
Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
Nigel Williams-Goss $1,517,981 (ung)
Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
Rayjon Tucker $1,517,98 (ung)
Total: $117,859,175

Draft picks salaries:
27. $1,977,000 [calling this Robert Woodard]
38. $898,310 [calling this Grant Riller]

I think Tucker and Goss are gone, and replaced with the rookies. If you stretch Davis his cap hit goes to: $1,668,450, which saves us $3,336,900.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
6. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
7. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
8. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
9. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
10. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
11. Grant Riller $898,310
Total: $113,463,313

Salary Cap: $109,140,000
Luxury Tax: $132,627,000
MLE: $9,258,000
BAE: $3,623,000

Lets say we resign Clarkson for a bit above the MLE, say $10,000,000 ($123,463,313) that leaves $9,163,687 under the luxury tax with 11 players under contract. I assume we bring back Brantley and Morgan on the minimum. Each is $1,445,697. That leaves us a significant portion of the MLE remaining under the tax, and we can outbid all the teams using the taxpayer MLE.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Jordan Clarkson $10,000,000
6. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
7. MLE $6,272,293
8. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
9. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
10. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
11. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
12. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
13. Jarrell Brantley $1,445,697
14. Juwan Morgan $1,445,697
15. Grant Riller $898,310
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
Total: $132,627,000


Something I recently learned is that when teams get "hard capped" by using the full MLE, they are hard capped at the apron which is $138.928 million. In other words, there's a little bit of room where you can be a taxpaying team but not quite hard capped.

This all depends on if Ryan Smith is ready to open up his wallet, of course. You pay tax this year, lose out on receiving tax money, and likely get into repeater tax for years to come.

But if money isn't an issue, the salary cap mechanics are there for us to sign Clarkson and use the full MLE.
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Re: Draft Day Thread 

Post#65 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm

KqWIN wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Spoiler:
Below is a breakdown of our salary situation and what I see as our offseason this year:

Salaries now
Mike Conley $34,504,132
Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
Joe Ingles $10,863,637
Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $5,005,350
Tony Bradley $3,542,060
Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
Nigel Williams-Goss $1,517,981 (ung)
Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
Rayjon Tucker $1,517,98 (ung)
Total: $117,859,175

Draft picks salaries:
27. $1,977,000 [calling this Robert Woodard]
38. $898,310 [calling this Grant Riller]

I think Tucker and Goss are gone, and replaced with the rookies. If you stretch Davis his cap hit goes to: $1,668,450, which saves us $3,336,900.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
6. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
7. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
8. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
9. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
10. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
11. Grant Riller $898,310
Total: $113,463,313

Salary Cap: $109,140,000
Luxury Tax: $132,627,000
MLE: $9,258,000
BAE: $3,623,000

Lets say we resign Clarkson for a bit above the MLE, say $10,000,000 ($123,463,313) that leaves $9,163,687 under the luxury tax with 11 players under contract. I assume we bring back Brantley and Morgan on the minimum. Each is $1,445,697. That leaves us a significant portion of the MLE remaining under the tax, and we can outbid all the teams using the taxpayer MLE.

1. Mike Conley $34,504,132
2. Rudy Gobert $26,525,281
3. Bojan Bogdanović $17,850,000
4. Joe Ingles $10,863,637
5. Jordan Clarkson $10,000,000
6. Royce O'Neale $8,035,714
7. MLE $6,272,293
8. Donovan Mitchell $5,195,501
9. Tony Bradley $3,542,060
10. Robert Woodard $1,977,000
11. Georges Niang $1,783,557 (ung)
12. Miye Oni $1,517,981 (ung)
13. Jarrell Brantley $1,445,697
14. Juwan Morgan $1,445,697
15. Grant Riller $898,310
Ed Davis $1,668,450*
Total: $132,627,000


Something I recently learned is that when teams get "hard capped" by using the full MLE, they are hard capped at the apron which is $138.928 million. In other words, there's a little bit of room where you can be a taxpaying team but not quite hard capped.

This all depends on if Ryan Smith is ready to open up his wallet, of course. You pay tax this year, lose out on receiving tax money, and likely get into repeater tax for years to come.

But if money isn't an issue, the salary cap mechanics are there for us to sign Clarkson and use the full MLE.


And the BAE, for that matter.
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Re: Draft Day Thread 

Post#66 » by stitches » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm

KqWIN wrote:
You've had 17 years to watch this class....or so it seems :lol:

Yeah, I know but... this draft never really captured me. Every time I tried watching any player I lost interest very quickly. Just not my draft...
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Post#67 » by KqWIN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:04 pm

If we take a big, I hope it's Tillman.
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Post#68 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:19 pm

KqWIN wrote:If we take a big, I hope it's Tillman.


Same, I LOVE Tillman.
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Post#69 » by Catchall » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:34 pm

I think #27 will be (and probably should be) Tyler Bey, Jaden McDaniels or Theo Maledon.
They might take Zeke Nnaji too, and I wouldn't fault them for it.
I don't want Robert Woodard and hope that's just a smokescreen.

At #38, some good picks would be: Reggie Perry, Paul Reed, Jordan Nwora, Peyton Pritchard and Elijah Hughes.
I'm not excited about Xavier Tillman, but have to admit he's probably in play there.

What does Xavier Tillman give us that Jarrell Brantley doesn't give us, aside from 1.5" in height and 0.5" in wingspan?
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Post#70 » by zero24gravity » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:44 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Big board at 27 (based on tankathon mock draft 25 and lower)
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. Jaden McDaniels
3. Robert Woodard
4. Grant Riller
5. Immanuel Quickley
6. Isaiah Joe

Big board at 38
1. Grant Riller
2. Immanuel Quickley
3. Xavier Tillman
4. Nico Mannion
5. Killian Tillie
6. Udoka Azubuike
7. Mason Jones
8. Udoka Azubuike
9. Cassius Stanley


If that turns out to be the board at 27, then I'm not excited. NO to McDaniels, and otherwise ... meh. Tillman at 38 would be a steal. I actually would be fine with him at 27.
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Post#71 » by Catchall » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:49 pm

Trading back to #27 totally smells like we want Tyler Bey...

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Post#72 » by zero24gravity » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:01 am

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Catchall wrote:Trading back to #27 totally smells like we want Tyler Bey...



This would be fine. Not going to change the world, but has translatable skills the Jazz need; length, athleticism, capable D.

Bey & Tillman would be a solid draft, IMO. (I don't think Tillman will still be around at 38, though.)
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Post#73 » by Catchall » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:03 am

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Catchall wrote:Trading back to #27 totally smells like we want Tyler Bey...



This would be fine. Not going to change the world, but has translatable skills the Jazz need; length, athleticism, capable D.


If I had to predict, I'd say the targets at #27 are Tyler Bey, Zeke Nnaji or Theo Maledon.
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Post#74 » by zero24gravity » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:03 am

babyjax13 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:If we take a big, I hope it's Tillman.


Same, I LOVE Tillman.


Yup. My second choice, after Smith. Now that they moved back, no way they get Smith.
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Post#75 » by babyjax13 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:21 am

Catchall wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
Catchall wrote:Trading back to #27 totally smells like we want Tyler Bey...



This would be fine. Not going to change the world, but has translatable skills the Jazz need; length, athleticism, capable D.


If I had to predict, I'd say the targets at #27 are Tyler Bey, Zeke Nnaji or Theo Maledon.


I don't see Nnaji as a first round pick at all. Wouldn't mind Bey or Maledon.
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Post#76 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:16 am

I wonder how Russell and Edwards will fit together
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Post#77 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:31 am

I'm surprised by the Bulls' pick. I thought they'd go another direction
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Post#78 » by sip » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:13 am

If RJ Hampton slips to us then we better not pass on him.

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Post#79 » by KqWIN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:22 am

We're idiots if this comes true :lol:

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Post#80 » by KqWIN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:24 am

KqWIN wrote:We're idiots if this comes true :lol:

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