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Rumor mill is ramping up but I don’t see it happening, especially after the Hayward collusion. What does everyone else think?

In the video below, Perkins claims that Ainge has been contemplating retiring for awhile now, wanting to spend more time with family and grandchildren.

I think he has been a good GM with some recent bad luck. Hayward, Irving and now Kemba Walker didn't really work out that great because of injuries, as well as some personal issues in the case of Irving. Both Hayward and Irving missed the entire 2018 playoffs when Boston made it all the way to the the Eastern Conference Finals and subsequently lost to Kyrie's old team of Lebron and the Cavs, 3-4.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31552637/boston-celtics-president-danny-ainge-step-brad-stevens-moving-front-office

If he does indeed have to come to the Jazz, I would prefer it to be in an Advisory or Scouting type roll. Like KOC's or Walt Perrins, something like those. But I wouldn't like him in charge of pulling any strings or making any big decisions. Jazz already have very good people doing those things.

Please god no. I don't care how well he did with the Celtics, there is - in my mind - no front office figure who is more unlikeable than Danny Ainge.

**** Danny Ainge. When Haywood defected, Utah tried to get Ainge to work out a deal where we could get Crowder back and Ainge tightened the screws to try and screw Utah even worse than they already were. I agree with Crunch that Danny has had some really bad luck more than anything, but he's also rubbed a lot of GMs the wrong way by insisting on winning every deal rather than agreeing to more even trades. GMs in the NBA have to build good relationships with other GMs and Danny has never done nor understood that.

Maybe he comes on in a scouting role, but personally I'd prefer not to have him involved with the Jazz in any way.

Cappy_Smurf wrote:**** Danny Ainge. When Haywood defected, Utah tried to get Ainge to work out a deal where we could get Crowder back and Ainge tightened the screws to try and screw Utah even worse than they already were. I agree with Crunch that Danny has had some really bad luck more than anything, but he's also rubbed a lot of GMs the wrong way by insisting on winning every deal rather than agreeing to more even trades. GMs in the NBA have to build good relationships with other GMs and Danny has never done nor understood that.

Maybe he comes on in a scouting role, but personally I'd prefer not to have him involved with the Jazz in any way.

The position that Walt Perrin vacated is still open I think. I wouldn't mind him there. He's got an eye for scouting and good feel for where the wind is blowing when it comes to what the league values(wings). Love his wing selections. Don't let him have contact with other teams' GMs though...

MeestR wrote:If he does indeed have to come to the Jazz, I would prefer it to be in an Advisory or Scouting type roll. Like KOC's or Walt Perrins, something like those. But I wouldn't like him in charge of pulling any strings or making any big decisions. Jazz already have very good people doing those things.

This.

Cappy_Smurf wrote:**** Danny Ainge. When Haywood defected, Utah tried to get Ainge to work out a deal where we could get Crowder back and Ainge tightened the screws to try and screw Utah even worse than they already were. I agree with Crunch that Danny has had some really bad luck more than anything, but he's also rubbed a lot of GMs the wrong way by insisting on winning every deal rather than agreeing to more even trades. GMs in the NBA have to build good relationships with other GMs and Danny has never done nor understood that.

Maybe he comes on in a scouting role, but personally I'd prefer not to have him involved with the Jazz in any way.

I'm sorry, but do we prefer FO members who give away assets for no reason? People are crazy for expecting that we should have gotten Crowder for charity.

We shouldn't add Ainge because of his strained relationship with GMs and potentially players with his recent stances on things. It is tone deaf to hire someone who dismisses issues that the players deeply care about...but I also don't want FO members who gave away free assets out of the good of their hearts.

If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him. GMs make ridiculous trade demands and lopsided trade offers all the time, I bet they do that every single day. We probably never hear about 99% of those offers because they go nowhere. I guess people are resenting Ainge because he managed to get a few of those lopsided trades done? Who wouldn't want to get those done? Only difference is he actually did. So basically people are angry at Ainge because he was too good at his job, and we're supposed to not want this guy in our front office? Who here wouldn't be ecstatic if the Jazz managed to fleece another team like Ainge did? Maybe we should be angry at DLZ if they manage to fleece another team because they did too good of a job? "Damn that Lindsey guy, the trade he did was so good for the Jazz that no one will want to trade with him again, we should fire him immediately!" Even I'm not that much of a complainer.

Ainge was terrific in 2008, and around the time he acquired Irving, and the choice to go with Tatum was genius. I do think he mishandled the warchest of picks and assetts though, and could of potentially had a dyntasty if Ainge wasn't so stingy. He also completely mishandled the Hayward situation. If he was working under Lindsey then maybe it could work out.

No way in hell anyone takes him. This is why you don't burn bridges.

Inigo Montoya wrote:If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him. GMs make ridiculous trade demands and lopsided trade offers all the time, I bet they do that every single day. We probably never hear about 99% of those offers because they go nowhere. I guess people are resenting Ainge because he managed to get a few of those lopsided trades done? Who wouldn't want to get those done? Only difference is he actually did. So basically people are angry at Ainge because he was too good at his job, and we're supposed to not want this guy in our front office? Who here wouldn't be ecstatic if the Jazz managed to fleece another team like Ainge did? Maybe we should be angry at DLZ if they manage to fleece another team because they did too good of a job? "Damn that Lindsey guy, the trade he did was so good for the Jazz that no one will want to trade with him again, we should fire him immediately!" Even I'm not that much of a complainer.

There is a difference between being good at your job and being a prick. Ainge wouldn't even do a sign and trade so we could get a trade exception.

Inigo Montoya wrote:If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him. GMs make ridiculous trade demands and lopsided trade offers all the time, I bet they do that every single day. We probably never hear about 99% of those offers because they go nowhere. I guess people are resenting Ainge because he managed to get a few of those lopsided trades done? Who wouldn't want to get those done? Only difference is he actually did. So basically people are angry at Ainge because he was too good at his job, and we're supposed to not want this guy in our front office? Who here wouldn't be ecstatic if the Jazz managed to fleece another team like Ainge did? Maybe we should be angry at DLZ if they manage to fleece another team because they did too good of a job? "Damn that Lindsey guy, the trade he did was so good for the Jazz that no one will want to trade with him again, we should fire him immediately!" Even I'm not that much of a complainer.

I'm mad because he constantly leaks information to make himself look good, it's absolutely absurd, and other than the Billy King trade, I'm not sure where he has demonstrated that he is some savant of a GM.

MalonesElbows wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him. GMs make ridiculous trade demands and lopsided trade offers all the time, I bet they do that every single day. We probably never hear about 99% of those offers because they go nowhere. I guess people are resenting Ainge because he managed to get a few of those lopsided trades done? Who wouldn't want to get those done? Only difference is he actually did. So basically people are angry at Ainge because he was too good at his job, and we're supposed to not want this guy in our front office? Who here wouldn't be ecstatic if the Jazz managed to fleece another team like Ainge did? Maybe we should be angry at DLZ if they manage to fleece another team because they did too good of a job? "Damn that Lindsey guy, the trade he did was so good for the Jazz that no one will want to trade with him again, we should fire him immediately!" Even I'm not that much of a complainer.

There is a difference between being good at your job and being a prick. Ainge wouldn't even do a sign and trade so we could get a trade exception.

Again...why do people think this is a problem?

The issue with Ainge is that GMs think he negotiates in bad faith and asks for way too much in trades.

The fact that he didn't give the Jazz charity for free is a non-issue and no GM should give out charity to other teams because they feel bad. If you sign a free agent, you are not obligated to give charity to the other team. That's not how it works.

Lmao. Again, building good relationships with other GMs is key to future negotiations, and hell yes, sometimes you cut somebody a break to ensure that someday when you are the one getting ****, somebody will cut you a break.

It's not surprising to me that some of the armchair GMs on this board have a hard time understanding that you can't **** everybody over every chance you get, or the result ends up being that other GMs just flat out stop dealing with you.

I don't think it's a coincidence either that the people here who think that way are also the same people who have told us all what a terrible job Dennis Lindsey and Justin Zanic have done the last several years. Lol.

Inigo Montoya wrote:If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him.

Fire Dennis and Justin!

When has a team who signed an UFA ever given away a highly valued asset like Crowder for free out of the goodness of their hearts? There was no reason for the Celtics to give away Crowder for free In fact, they should have cancelled the entire Kyrie trade just so the Jazz could get charity.

Guess the Jazz really messed up by not giving Indiana a FRP for free after signing Bogey. That will strain relationships in the future for sure. I'm really surprised the Lakers were able to sign LeBron without giving Ingram away for free.

KqWIN wrote:

MalonesElbows wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:If we could get Ainge in whatever capacity, I'd love to have him. GMs make ridiculous trade demands and lopsided trade offers all the time, I bet they do that every single day. We probably never hear about 99% of those offers because they go nowhere. I guess people are resenting Ainge because he managed to get a few of those lopsided trades done? Who wouldn't want to get those done? Only difference is he actually did. So basically people are angry at Ainge because he was too good at his job, and we're supposed to not want this guy in our front office? Who here wouldn't be ecstatic if the Jazz managed to fleece another team like Ainge did? Maybe we should be angry at DLZ if they manage to fleece another team because they did too good of a job? "Damn that Lindsey guy, the trade he did was so good for the Jazz that no one will want to trade with him again, we should fire him immediately!" Even I'm not that much of a complainer.

There is a difference between being good at your job and being a prick. Ainge wouldn't even do a sign and trade so we could get a trade exception.

Again...why do people think this is a problem?

The issue with Ainge is that GMs think he negotiates in bad faith and asks for way too much in trades.

The fact that he didn't give the Jazz charity for free is a non-issue and no GM should give out charity to other teams because they feel bad. If you sign a free agent, you are not obligated to give charity to the other team. That's not how it works.

Says someone who has clearly never operated in the business world. Now if they were inter division rivals you could make a small case for it.

I think there is a reason teams didn’t do trades with Danny, he’s unrealistic. Scouting wise, the only good picks he has landed are top 5’s and Robert Williams.

MalonesElbows wrote:

KqWIN wrote:

MalonesElbows wrote:
There is a difference between being good at your job and being a prick. Ainge wouldn't even do a sign and trade so we could get a trade exception.

Again...why do people think this is a problem?

The issue with Ainge is that GMs think he negotiates in bad faith and asks for way too much in trades.

The fact that he didn't give the Jazz charity for free is a non-issue and no GM should give out charity to other teams because they feel bad. If you sign a free agent, you are not obligated to give charity to the other team. That's not how it works.

Says someone who has clearly never operated in the business world. Now if they were inter division rivals you could make a small case for it.

I like how it’s now my lack of knowledge on the business world. I guess I missed the part where NBA teams started giving away assets out of charity.

Gordon Hayward wasn’t a damn trade. He was an unrestricted FA. Are the Jazz now doomed business wise because they signed Bogdanovic and didn’t give anything back for free? Why does no one else in the league give away free stuff when they sign a FA.

It’s seriously hilarious that people are pretending that it’s commonplace to give things away for free after you sign a FA. It doesn’t happen

KqWIN wrote:

MalonesElbows wrote:

KqWIN wrote:
Again...why do people think this is a problem?

The issue with Ainge is that GMs think he negotiates in bad faith and asks for way too much in trades.

The fact that he didn't give the Jazz charity for free is a non-issue and no GM should give out charity to other teams because they feel bad. If you sign a free agent, you are not obligated to give charity to the other team. That's not how it works.

Says someone who has clearly never operated in the business world. Now if they were inter division rivals you could make a small case for it.

I like how it’s now my lack of knowledge on the business world. I guess I missed the part where NBA teams started giving away assets out of charity.

Gordon Hayward wasn’t a damn trade. He was an unrestricted FA. Are the Jazz now doomed business wise because they signed Bogdanovic and didn’t give anything back for free? Why does no one else in the league give away free stuff when they sign a FA.

It’s seriously hilarious that people are pretending that it’s commonplace to give things away for free after you sign a FA. It doesn’t happen

Crowder May have been a huge ask but guess what? In business if you don’t ask you’re also screwing yourself. I think it was a huge dick move not to do a S&T for Utah to get a trade exception.