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sip wrote:He has defensive potential but to this point he hasn't been good in that department. If he does turn into a stud defensively then you pair him with Royce rather than viewing Royce as expendable.GobertReport wrote:sip wrote:Definitely not. He is not a good defender at this point in his career.
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GobertReport wrote:zero24gravity wrote:GobertReport wrote:
Bogey's scoring is important, I think this ultimately opened up options for Ingles or O"Neale in trades because we have Spida's best friend on the team now.
To me, Bogey's scoring (and being able to do nothing else) is less impactful than the O'Neale's willingness & ability to guard 4 positions. Poor guy was on the other teams best player every damn night. 3&D is what we need, but get rid of our only true 3&D guy, who's on an amazing contract? Nah.
Ingles has way more intangibles that Bogey. And yes, age is catching up, but he's got a better cap #, plus would bring back less in a trade, IMO. He's the #2/3 PG, #2/3 SG, #2/3 SF, shoots RIDICULOUSLY efficiently from everywhere on the court, is great in the P&R, and is a locker room glue guy. Takes a lot to replace all that. Most underrated player on the team. Losing him would be a bigger deal than most people realize, if you ask me.
That’s actually spot on. I guess if Joe stays next year for cheap aka 5 mill or less than it’s worth keeping him over Bogey. Who can we upgrade or equal out for Bogey is the hard part?
zero24gravity wrote:GobertReport wrote:zero24gravity wrote:
To me, Bogey's scoring (and being able to do nothing else) is less impactful than the O'Neale's willingness & ability to guard 4 positions. Poor guy was on the other teams best player every damn night. 3&D is what we need, but get rid of our only true 3&D guy, who's on an amazing contract? Nah.
Ingles has way more intangibles that Bogey. And yes, age is catching up, but he's got a better cap #, plus would bring back less in a trade, IMO. He's the #2/3 PG, #2/3 SG, #2/3 SF, shoots RIDICULOUSLY efficiently from everywhere on the court, is great in the P&R, and is a locker room glue guy. Takes a lot to replace all that. Most underrated player on the team. Losing him would be a bigger deal than most people realize, if you ask me.
That’s actually spot on. I guess if Joe stays next year for cheap aka 5 mill or less than it’s worth keeping him over Bogey. Who can we upgrade or equal out for Bogey is the hard part?
Right. Who?
Teams aren't exactly dying to get rid of versatile wings who can shoot & play D. Bogey can be a 20ppg scorer for a number of teams, but he's no longer young enough for a rebuilding team looking for points, and why would a contender want to part with an aforementioned wing, unless they are stacked with them and really need scoring. I mentioned OG Anunoby as a great fit earlier, but Bogey doesn't really fit into that Raptor team, IMO. But a guy like that would be perfect.
Dillon Brooks? Memphis could use a second scorer, but not sure Bogey fits into their timeline, plus salaries would not quite work. Wiggins makes way too much $$$. Bridges doesn't work with salary, and I don't think the Suns make that kind of move unless they really think they need a 3rd scorer to make another Finals run. I like Covington, but he's more of a 4/3 than a 2/3, who will chase around SG's. DeVonte Graham is too small. Thybulle looks like the real deal, but contracts are miles apart. Philly does need shooting, but if they are really going to move Simmons, then I imagine Thybulle is not going anywhere, since he's their stopper w/o No-Buckets-Ben.
Who, indeed.
zero24gravity wrote:GobertReport wrote:zero24gravity wrote:
To me, Bogey's scoring (and being able to do nothing else) is less impactful than the O'Neale's willingness & ability to guard 4 positions. Poor guy was on the other teams best player every damn night. 3&D is what we need, but get rid of our only true 3&D guy, who's on an amazing contract? Nah.
Ingles has way more intangibles that Bogey. And yes, age is catching up, but he's got a better cap #, plus would bring back less in a trade, IMO. He's the #2/3 PG, #2/3 SG, #2/3 SF, shoots RIDICULOUSLY efficiently from everywhere on the court, is great in the P&R, and is a locker room glue guy. Takes a lot to replace all that. Most underrated player on the team. Losing him would be a bigger deal than most people realize, if you ask me.
That’s actually spot on. I guess if Joe stays next year for cheap aka 5 mill or less than it’s worth keeping him over Bogey. Who can we upgrade or equal out for Bogey is the hard part?
Right. Who?
Teams aren't exactly dying to get rid of versatile wings who can shoot & play D. Bogey can be a 20ppg scorer for a number of teams, but he's no longer young enough for a rebuilding team looking for points, and why would a contender want to part with an aforementioned wing, unless they are stacked with them and really need scoring. I mentioned OG Anunoby as a great fit earlier, but Bogey doesn't really fit into that Raptor team, IMO. But a guy like that would be perfect.
Dillon Brooks? Memphis could use a second scorer, but not sure Bogey fits into their timeline, plus salaries would not quite work. Wiggins makes way too much $$$. Bridges doesn't work with salary, and I don't think the Suns make that kind of move unless they really think they need a 3rd scorer to make another Finals run. I like Covington, but he's more of a 4/3 than a 2/3, who will chase around SG's. DeVonte Graham is too small. Thybulle looks like the real deal, but contracts are miles apart. Philly does need shooting, but if they are really going to move Simmons, then I imagine Thybulle is not going anywhere, since he's their stopper w/o No-Buckets-Ben.
Who, indeed.
No.GobertReport wrote:zero24gravity wrote:GobertReport wrote:
That’s actually spot on. I guess if Joe stays next year for cheap aka 5 mill or less than it’s worth keeping him over Bogey. Who can we upgrade or equal out for Bogey is the hard part?
Right. Who?
Teams aren't exactly dying to get rid of versatile wings who can shoot & play D. Bogey can be a 20ppg scorer for a number of teams, but he's no longer young enough for a rebuilding team looking for points, and why would a contender want to part with an aforementioned wing, unless they are stacked with them and really need scoring. I mentioned OG Anunoby as a great fit earlier, but Bogey doesn't really fit into that Raptor team, IMO. But a guy like that would be perfect.
Dillon Brooks? Memphis could use a second scorer, but not sure Bogey fits into their timeline, plus salaries would not quite work. Wiggins makes way too much $$$. Bridges doesn't work with salary, and I don't think the Suns make that kind of move unless they really think they need a 3rd scorer to make another Finals run. I like Covington, but he's more of a 4/3 than a 2/3, who will chase around SG's. DeVonte Graham is too small. Thybulle looks like the real deal, but contracts are miles apart. Philly does need shooting, but if they are really going to move Simmons, then I imagine Thybulle is not going anywhere, since he's their stopper w/o No-Buckets-Ben.
Who, indeed.
Would Memphis do Brooks and Jones for Bogey and Oni?
GobertReport wrote:Didn't realize Paschall was 6'6" with a 7ft wing span..... He may have made O'Neale expendable...
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:Montoya Approves.
Rauxcee wrote:Still trading away more second round picks...
Inigo Montoya wrote:Hard to complain about this move for the cost of a 2nd round pick. Montoya Approves.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
El Hespiritu wrote:I like this pocket-Center you got.
Yeah, I know everybody's trying to play him Forward.
But don't let his stature fools you: he's not a Forward... he's even less of a Forward that Dfaves is.
He's an undersized Center and I'd rather focus to develope his Defense at the paint (where he shows good instincs but bad fundamentals) than sweating on his long range %s.
I'm even fantasizing with a Twin Towers system with Stumps.
Well... a Sibling Tower and Dollhouse, at least.