Official 2021-2022 Utah Jazz Season Discussion Thread

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Post#41 » by Crunch 99 » Tue Sep 7, 2021 1:58 pm

tugs wrote:Alize Johnson would've been a nice project


Agreed. He was a free agent for a day? And then signed with the Bulls. I suspect Alize was waived only because Millsap and Aldridge were willing to sign with the win-now-Nets for the veteran minimums. When Johnson suddenly became available, I don't think the Jazz were in position to go after him even if they wanted him.

I wanted Johnson last season after he lit us up on points and rebs while playing on a ten day contract. We've got a small game sample for Johnson, but his regular season rebs/36 last season was 17.1 vs Paschall's 6.6 and Brantley's 5.1. Alize's playoff rebs/36 was 20.3. In Paschall and Brantley, we have two wide body, muscular guys who surprisingly struggle to grab rebounds.

Johnson's three point percentage on the Nets on just 6 attempts was awful, but he averaged a respectable 36% 3p% over his three season G-League career.

Player Comparison: Alize Johnson and Eric Paschall
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=johnsal02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=pascher01&p2yrfrom=2021

Player Comparison: Alize Johnson and Jarrell Brantley
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=johnsal02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=brantja01&p2yrfrom=2021
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Post#42 » by tugs » Wed Sep 8, 2021 3:55 pm

Now those stats make me feel sad. Hope Paschall pans out

And damn Morgan to Boston, huh. The semi athletic stretch fours have been transferring to the East
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Post#43 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:42 pm

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tugs wrote:Alize Johnson would've been a nice project


Agreed. He was a free agent for a day? And then signed with the Bulls. I suspect Alize was waived only because Millsap and Aldridge were willing to sign with the win-now-Nets for the veteran minimums. When Johnson suddenly became available, I don't think the Jazz were in position to go after him even if they wanted him.

I wanted Johnson last season after he lit us up on points and rebs while playing on a ten day contract. We've got a small game sample for Johnson, but his regular season rebs/36 last season was 17.1 vs Paschall's 6.6 and Brantley's 5.1. Alize's playoff rebs/36 was 20.3. In Paschall and Brantley, we have two wide body, muscular guys who surprisingly struggle to grab rebounds.

Johnson's three point percentage on the Nets on just 6 attempts was awful, but he averaged a respectable 36% 3p% over his three season G-League career.

Player Comparison: Alize Johnson and Eric Paschall
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=johnsal02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=pascher01&p2yrfrom=2021

Player Comparison: Alize Johnson and Jarrell Brantley
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=johnsal02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=brantja01&p2yrfrom=2021

As you probably know, stats can be haywire when only limited minutes, usually garbage minutes, are the basis of them. Over time they could be proven accurate, or wildly misleading.
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Post#44 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Sep 9, 2021 7:27 am

Johnson's rebounding stats per 36 are obviously out of whack due to the small sample size and limited minutes, but I think they do show at least that he's a good rebounder, regardless of what's the actual realistic rebounding numbers he'd get with a decent sample size. In other words, his rebounding ability seem to be translated well.
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Post#45 » by Charlie_S » Thu Sep 9, 2021 1:59 pm

IIRC, statistically rebounding ability is one of the skills that translates more easily from the college game. Johnson has been an exceptional rebounder both in college and the G-League so it would only make sense for him to be a very good one in the NBA as well.
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Post#46 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:17 pm

Yes, Johnson averaged 11.1 rebs/game at Missouri State over two seasons and he averaged 13.4 rebs/game in G League over three seasons. In addition, in his 18 regular season NBA games with the Nets last season, he had a 15 reb, 5 oreb, 23 pt game against Utah and a 21 reb, 4 oreb, 20 pt game against Indiana. I wouldn't be surprised if 97/98% of NBA forwards go their entire careers without a 20/20 game. It is probably reasonable to conclude that Johnson is already an above average rebounder at his position, and that he has some offensive potential as well.

I am still hopeful our development coaches turns Paschall and/or Brantley in to good all around contributors off the bench this season though.
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Post#47 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:02 am

What are you guys expecting out of Hassan Whiteside this year?

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Post#48 » by Crunch 99 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:05 pm

Gavin_TDThree wrote:What are you guys expecting out of Hassan Whiteside this year?


I am cautiously optimistic that Whiteside will have a good season. He's not too old and he has talent. I know he has negatives: he has been an inconsistent player who sometimes lacks focus and commitment; he's a player who sometimes chases blocks at the expense of good overall defense, but he's got someone to emulate here --- Gobert. He signed here knowing his job is to come in and to try to continue to protect the rim and paint when Gobert goes out of the game. I am hopeful that he can be Gobert-light, and get us away from the situation we had last season where it seemed like other teams immediately started attacking the rim when Gobert went out of the game.

He has some offensive talent too, but I am worried that our bench may underutulize both Whiteside's and Gaye's offensive talent while Clarkson dominates the ball. It's great that Clarkson won games for us when he was hot, but his overall efg% and ts% sucked post All Star game and playoffs. I'd like to see the shot attempts from the bench spread out a little more, with Clarkson looking to pass the ball more, but I am not sure we will get it.
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Post#49 » by tugs » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:30 pm

Whiteside is a decent passer on the low block and to be fair, he somehow managed to refrain from his block chasing tendencies and play the angles more.

I agree also with the bench production. Clarkson, Gay, and Paschall are all capable scorers, but you can't have them playing HORSE. As for JC's playmaking, I'd like for him to revert to his LA rookie days when he was demolishing defenses with his PnR. He made Tarik Black and Ed Davis Amare-lite with those pocket passes. And excited to have Gay who can operate in the midrange aside from Bojan
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Post#51 » by babyjax13 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:20 pm

Looks like he's going to be a fun addition to the lockerroom, that's two brothers squabbling, lol
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