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TJ rips Jazz in Athletic article 

Post#1 » by GobertReport » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:15 am

Tony Jone's did not hold back in his latest article, and its the truth, boy is it the truth.

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"Five months can pass from this moment for the Utah Jazz, and they very well may become the team they want to be in those five months. They could be championship contenders. They could make a deep playoff run through the Western Conference. They could figure out a way to break through the glass ceiling that’s seemingly been holding this group back for years.

But in this business, we don’t get the advantage of looking ahead. All we can do now is see what’s in front of us. And what’s staring us in the face concerning the Utah Jazz is a harsh reality. At this point, the Jazz might be the fourth-best team in the Western Conference. At this point, if the playoffs were set to begin, every single lower-seeded team in the conference would be jockeying for the opportunity to face the Jazz in the first round. And at this point, those lower-seeded teams would have at least a puncher’s chance of taking the Jazz out of the playoffs.

Why? To put it plainly, the Jazz don’t guard defensively. They don’t stay in front. They are letting guys have career nights, seemingly every other night. Every other night, it seems like a team shoots a monstrous percentage against the Jazz from 3-point range, and that’s because the Jazz are surrendering high-quality shots from the perimeter. And this version of the Jazz is leaving no doubt about the importance of Rudy Gobert, who is in health and safety protocols.

How important? Gobert should be in the league’s MVP conversation just for the fact that he makes this team look competent on the defensive end. He’s proving to be the one player the Utah Jazz simply cannot do without. And they’re without him.

“We’re fooling ourselves if you think we can win a championship playing like this,” Donovan Mitchell said.

A 126-116 loss to the Detroit Pistons on Monday night might have been the ugliest performance of the season for Utah, and there have been some ugly performances. The Jazz surrendered 78 points in the second half of a relatively low-possession game to a team that entered the night with seven wins and one of the worst offenses in the league.

Cade Cunningham, the Pistons’ precocious rookie guard, is going to be special one day. The Jazz made sure Monday night was his time. Defensively, Utah was nonexistent at the point of attack. The Jazz didn’t rotate. They surrendered practice-level looks from 3-point range. Several times, they looked at one another in confusion, the five players on the floor clearly not on the same page.

You could call it a disaster, except the Jazz went through the same disastrous experience Saturday night, 48 hours earlier, in a loss to the Indiana Pacers. They allowed Indiana to score 125, and those same Pacers were so good offensively Monday night against the Boston Celtics that they needed overtime to score 27 fewer points.

Mitchell was animated Saturday night. On Monday night, he seemed defeated in his postgame session with the media, as did his team.

“We have to fix it,” Mitchell said. “We did it. We’re capable. We did it against the Denver Nuggets (in a win earlier in the trip). So, it’s not that we can’t. We’ve done it. When we don’t have Rudy Gobert back there, our intensity has to turn up. And this is from the first player through 17, or however many players are on our roster. We aren’t defending on a consistent basis, and it’s got to be fixed.”

The harsh reality for the Utah Jazz is this: They are 28-13 at exactly the halfway mark of the season. They are in third place in the Western Conference.

And nobody takes them seriously.

And, in truth, they haven’t given anyone reason to take them seriously.

They have one win against a top team in the league, and that was the Milwaukee Bucks when they were missing Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday. They lost their one game against the Chicago Bulls. They’ve been swept by the Heat. They lost at home to the Grizzlies. They lost at home to the Warriors.

This has very much been a season in which the Jazz feel they have a chance to win a title, or at the very least compete for one. But if we are being honest, we are in January, and there’s little evidence that this roster is capable of taking that next step. The fundamental issues are still plentiful. The Jazz have perhaps the best offense in the league; one can certainly make that argument. But they aren’t stopping people, and you simply won’t win a title without stopping people. In a guard-and-wing-dominated league, you simply won’t win a title if you can’t stop opposing guards and wings.

And right now, the Jazz can’t stop opposing guards and wings.

This is why, over the past week, the Jazz have been using 10-day contracts for COVID-19 hardships to in effect hold open tryouts. They’ve brought in Danuel House Jr., who was an important 3-and-D contributor to some very good Houston Rockets teams. They wanted to bring in James Ennis, but that fell through. They traded Miye Oni, in part because they wanted the added roster flexibility to try to see what they could add on the margins.

The Jazz are a team that can compete for a championship as is. But as is they are also a flawed team, a team with little margin for error. If this is the team that goes to the playoffs, does it get a bracket that helps it get deep into the postseason? Or does it get a bracket that leads to a first-round exit?

Typically, that’s too wide a pendulum for a front office that truly hopes to contend. The Jazz came into the regular season hoping to establish themselves as matchup-proof for the playoffs. They have yet to do that. But the surprise is that their margin for error is proving to be this thin. You wouldn’t think at the beginning of the season that they would need the perfect bracket to make a deep run. And yet, that appears to be the situation. And you wouldn’t think they would look lost on the defensive end without Gobert. But they do.

“Containing the ball has been big,” guard Mike Conley said. “We had some miscommunications on defense where we left guys open. There were guys out of our lineup, but there’s no excuses. It starts with us staying in front of our man.”

If the Jazz want to change this narrative, there will certainly be an opportunity to do so. They get the Warriors and the Suns twice each over the next four weeks. They get the Los Angeles Lakers. They get the Brooklyn Nets. They get the Grizzlies. They get the Nuggets again. It’s a stretch that can cause this story to age poorly, or it can make this story look prophetic.

And the Jazz know what the mistakes have been and what the shortcomings are. It’s like a high school student telling a parent that the good grades are coming. That the focus on homework, instead of playing Madden on Xbox, is on its way.

And then the parent waits.

And waits.

And waits."

Writer: Tony Jones
Source: The Athletic


I truly believe if we don't win the Western Conference Finals this year, Donovan Mitchell will ask to be traded.
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Post#2 » by JazzUte88 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:28 am

Mitchell can get asked to get traded, but he’s been the reason they’ve lost their playoff series lol. Dude seems a little mini prima donna lately. But if he thinks the New York Knicks are a good fit, be my guest haha.

He’s clearly showed why he’s the 13th pick at times in the playoffs and some of his late game performances.
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Post#3 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:12 am

I don't know where to write this, so I'll just say it here: The fixation on Gobert's defensive abilities and his importance to the Jazz, while true, misses the point long-term.

Yes, the Jazz's defense suck without him, and in the regular season, he'll make a huge difference. But in the regular season there is very little time to adjust the style of play and really hone in on your opponent and apply the scouting reports in a detailed way, because it is one game after the other, against a new team every night. Many teams are unprepared, or just tired and not putting up their best efforts--even the Jazz have those nights--and are just looking to play the game and move on. If you lose, you still have 81 more games.

In the playoffs it's a different story. That's where teams have time to prepare and execute a strategy that is made specifically to beat the opponent. And that's where Gobert gets exposed. We've seen it already--teams go to a small lineup and neutralize him to the point he needs to be benched. And that's why all of us wanted more perimeter defenders and players who can play a small-ball C. So while Gobert is important to the Jazz in the regular season, in the playoffs where it really matters, he's not that much of a difference maker. And it's on Snyder and the FO that ever since we had Gobert, the Jazz have been incapable of playing good defense without him. It's a huge mark on both of them because it's lazy an unoriginal to just ride him out as long as you can, with no counter or plan B. The guy can't play 48 minutes every game and has defensive weaknesses just like anyone else, and yet, if he doesn't play, our defense suck. 29 other teams don't have Gobert and plenty of them are capable of playing good defense when they need to.
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Re: TJ rips Jazz in Athletic article 

Post#4 » by Dkeaton024 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:16 pm

GobertReport wrote:Tony Jone's did not hold back in his latest article, and its the truth, boy is it the truth.

Spoiler:
"Five months can pass from this moment for the Utah Jazz, and they very well may become the team they want to be in those five months. They could be championship contenders. They could make a deep playoff run through the Western Conference. They could figure out a way to break through the glass ceiling that’s seemingly been holding this group back for years.

But in this business, we don’t get the advantage of looking ahead. All we can do now is see what’s in front of us. And what’s staring us in the face concerning the Utah Jazz is a harsh reality. At this point, the Jazz might be the fourth-best team in the Western Conference. At this point, if the playoffs were set to begin, every single lower-seeded team in the conference would be jockeying for the opportunity to face the Jazz in the first round. And at this point, those lower-seeded teams would have at least a puncher’s chance of taking the Jazz out of the playoffs.

Why? To put it plainly, the Jazz don’t guard defensively. They don’t stay in front. They are letting guys have career nights, seemingly every other night. Every other night, it seems like a team shoots a monstrous percentage against the Jazz from 3-point range, and that’s because the Jazz are surrendering high-quality shots from the perimeter. And this version of the Jazz is leaving no doubt about the importance of Rudy Gobert, who is in health and safety protocols.

How important? Gobert should be in the league’s MVP conversation just for the fact that he makes this team look competent on the defensive end. He’s proving to be the one player the Utah Jazz simply cannot do without. And they’re without him.

“We’re fooling ourselves if you think we can win a championship playing like this,” Donovan Mitchell said.

A 126-116 loss to the Detroit Pistons on Monday night might have been the ugliest performance of the season for Utah, and there have been some ugly performances. The Jazz surrendered 78 points in the second half of a relatively low-possession game to a team that entered the night with seven wins and one of the worst offenses in the league.

Cade Cunningham, the Pistons’ precocious rookie guard, is going to be special one day. The Jazz made sure Monday night was his time. Defensively, Utah was nonexistent at the point of attack. The Jazz didn’t rotate. They surrendered practice-level looks from 3-point range. Several times, they looked at one another in confusion, the five players on the floor clearly not on the same page.

You could call it a disaster, except the Jazz went through the same disastrous experience Saturday night, 48 hours earlier, in a loss to the Indiana Pacers. They allowed Indiana to score 125, and those same Pacers were so good offensively Monday night against the Boston Celtics that they needed overtime to score 27 fewer points.

Mitchell was animated Saturday night. On Monday night, he seemed defeated in his postgame session with the media, as did his team.

“We have to fix it,” Mitchell said. “We did it. We’re capable. We did it against the Denver Nuggets (in a win earlier in the trip). So, it’s not that we can’t. We’ve done it. When we don’t have Rudy Gobert back there, our intensity has to turn up. And this is from the first player through 17, or however many players are on our roster. We aren’t defending on a consistent basis, and it’s got to be fixed.”

The harsh reality for the Utah Jazz is this: They are 28-13 at exactly the halfway mark of the season. They are in third place in the Western Conference.

And nobody takes them seriously.

And, in truth, they haven’t given anyone reason to take them seriously.

They have one win against a top team in the league, and that was the Milwaukee Bucks when they were missing Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday. They lost their one game against the Chicago Bulls. They’ve been swept by the Heat. They lost at home to the Grizzlies. They lost at home to the Warriors.

This has very much been a season in which the Jazz feel they have a chance to win a title, or at the very least compete for one. But if we are being honest, we are in January, and there’s little evidence that this roster is capable of taking that next step. The fundamental issues are still plentiful. The Jazz have perhaps the best offense in the league; one can certainly make that argument. But they aren’t stopping people, and you simply won’t win a title without stopping people. In a guard-and-wing-dominated league, you simply won’t win a title if you can’t stop opposing guards and wings.

And right now, the Jazz can’t stop opposing guards and wings.

This is why, over the past week, the Jazz have been using 10-day contracts for COVID-19 hardships to in effect hold open tryouts. They’ve brought in Danuel House Jr., who was an important 3-and-D contributor to some very good Houston Rockets teams. They wanted to bring in James Ennis, but that fell through. They traded Miye Oni, in part because they wanted the added roster flexibility to try to see what they could add on the margins.

The Jazz are a team that can compete for a championship as is. But as is they are also a flawed team, a team with little margin for error. If this is the team that goes to the playoffs, does it get a bracket that helps it get deep into the postseason? Or does it get a bracket that leads to a first-round exit?

Typically, that’s too wide a pendulum for a front office that truly hopes to contend. The Jazz came into the regular season hoping to establish themselves as matchup-proof for the playoffs. They have yet to do that. But the surprise is that their margin for error is proving to be this thin. You wouldn’t think at the beginning of the season that they would need the perfect bracket to make a deep run. And yet, that appears to be the situation. And you wouldn’t think they would look lost on the defensive end without Gobert. But they do.

“Containing the ball has been big,” guard Mike Conley said. “We had some miscommunications on defense where we left guys open. There were guys out of our lineup, but there’s no excuses. It starts with us staying in front of our man.”

If the Jazz want to change this narrative, there will certainly be an opportunity to do so. They get the Warriors and the Suns twice each over the next four weeks. They get the Los Angeles Lakers. They get the Brooklyn Nets. They get the Grizzlies. They get the Nuggets again. It’s a stretch that can cause this story to age poorly, or it can make this story look prophetic.

And the Jazz know what the mistakes have been and what the shortcomings are. It’s like a high school student telling a parent that the good grades are coming. That the focus on homework, instead of playing Madden on Xbox, is on its way.

And then the parent waits.

And waits.

And waits."

Writer: Tony Jones
Source: The Athletic


I truly believe if we don't win the Western Conference Finals this year, Donovan Mitchell will ask to be traded.

I think it’ll be 1 more season before it happens, but even so he’ll be a snake when he does so. He’s been a huge team distraction for nearly 2 years now with the nonstop BS around his name. He plays no defense, in games like last night looks disinterested. He doesn’t hold his team accountable, nor himself on some aspects. He thinks the reason he’s not in the MVP conversation is because of market size, he’s not in the MVP conversation because of things like the last few games without Rudy lol. He also is really pushing down that case to be an AS starter. The dude shot 6/16 and played no defense when his team needed him badly last night.
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Post#5 » by vryadli » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:36 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I
In the playoffs it's a different story. .



Yes, a very different story. And the biggest difference is that you need more defense and less shots from streaky 3p shooters.

Of course the team with DM as absolutely set prime offensive option can't win much in playoff. At least 10 other team has at least one less streaky and more controlled SG or PG. Without Gobert and/or Hassan Jazz is not even mediocre, they are bottom feeder.
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Post#6 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:00 am

So it takes Mitchell to get Simmons who seems kinda crazy do you pull the trigger? Team is already best at defense and you take off Mitchell who doesn't like playing D and add Simmons that scary. You bring Jordan in as the starter you really don't lose much if anything the way DM has played most the year. You'd have to bring in Bogey or Royce behind Simmons. I think Royce would have to be the six man and D off the bench because you'd need Bogey's offense fire for sure. If DM is really wanting out after Quin gave him the team? Pretty sad. Hayward did the same thing but this time we need to get something and not just watch him walk.
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Post#7 » by GobertReport » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:15 am

ForeverRDjazz wrote:So it takes Mitchell to get Simmons who seems kinda crazy do you pull the trigger? Team is already best at defense and you take off Mitchell who doesn't like playing D and add Simmons that scary. You bring Jordan in as the starter you really don't lose much if anything the way DM has played most the year. You'd have to bring in Bogey or Royce behind Simmons. I think Royce would have to be the six man and D off the bench because you'd need Bogey's offense fire for sure. If DM is really wanting out after Quin gave him the team? Pretty sad. Hayward did the same thing but this time we need to get something and not just watch him walk.


The difference between Mitchell and Simmons is Philly sending us 3 unprotected picks.
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Post#8 » by @ndrew » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:26 pm

Ben is one of the biggest Gobert haters in NBA. But for the right price, I'd trade for him. We have enough shooting power, but Ben will kill it on the D. we can play small ball line up with him on top just fine. Just don't overplay them together :) But this trade will never happen anyways.
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