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"When I watch some of these other teams like the Suns or the Warriors, those guys are a step ahead of us in terms of winning habits. They take every game personally. Devin Booker is playing his ass off defensively. I've been watching him compared to two years ago.

Guys like that, they buy-in, and you can tell they take pride in playing defense and stopping their man, doing whatever they can defensively to stop the other team and be part of a winning culture. I think we're not there yet, but I think we're going to get there," Gobert commented.

https://basketnews.com/news-163869-rudy-gobert-takes-his-hat-off-to-devin-bookers-defensive-effort.html

Hmm......

I think this was more of a team wide shot at not playing defense.

GobertReport wrote:I think this was more of a team wide shot at not playing defense.

Yeah, but he mentioned Booker, who on our team is like Booker?

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:I think this was more of a team wide shot at not playing defense.

Yeah, but he mentioned Booker, who on our team is like Booker?

I think he was pointing Booker out because he was terrible on defense.

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:I think this was more of a team wide shot at not playing defense.

Yeah, but he mentioned Booker, who on our team is like Booker?

I think he was pointing Booker out because he was terrible on defense.

Yup.... And what position does Booker play?

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:
Yeah, but he mentioned Booker, who on our team is like Booker?

I think he was pointing Booker out because he was terrible on defense.

Yup.... And what position does Booker play?

SG… But he also pointed out the whole Warriors and Suns teams buying into playing defense.

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:
I think he was pointing Booker out because he was terrible on defense.

Yup.... And what position does Booker play?

SG… But he also pointed out the whole Warriors and Suns teams buying into playing defense.

I don't disagree, I think he's pissed at pretty much everyone...... I just think there really is something to the idea that there's a rift between those two.......

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:
Yup.... And what position does Booker play?

SG… But he also pointed out the whole Warriors and Suns teams buying into playing defense.

I don't disagree, I think he's pissed at pretty much everyone...... I just think there really is something to the idea that there's a rift between those two.......

I don’t think theyre best friends but I don’t think they’re Kobe and Shaq either.

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:
SG… But he also pointed out the whole Warriors and Suns teams buying into playing defense.

I don't disagree, I think he's pissed at pretty much everyone...... I just think there really is something to the idea that there's a rift between those two.......

I don’t think theyre best friends but I don’t think they’re Kobe and Shaq either.

Well, let's certainly hope it doesn't end up like those 2.......

It sounds more team directed. It's no secret that outside of Royce everyone else is garbage. Mitchell is the vocal leader, and talks a lot, but he has yet to do anything about his defense either.

The lack of perimeter defense is why the team won't go anywhere. Until they trade players, or players buy in, they aren't going anywhere and Rudy knows it. They all know it.

Is there some fundamental difference between "call teammate accountable" and "swipe on DM"? I wouldn't tell that DM just follow DW steps, but....

Our softass perimeter players took offense to Gobert pointing out their softassedness and demanding they do better. I kind of wish Gobert would be EVEN MORE DIRECT and less accommodating. Because it's him that gets all the blame in the playoffs when the Mitchells and Clarksons of the roster can't keep their own shadow in front of them. And furthermore, I wish the coach and FO would actually support the player who's actually trying to make this team better rather than playing victim when their lack of effort is being pointed out. I'm sick of that diva BS.

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:

red4hf wrote:
I don't disagree, I think he's pissed at pretty much everyone...... I just think there really is something to the idea that there's a rift between those two.......

I don’t think theyre best friends but I don’t think they’re Kobe and Shaq either.

Well, let's certainly hope it doesn't end up like those 2.......

3 championships and then a split? I'll take that.

Seems like Clarkson is more offended than DM, who did say similar things about how the Jazz should be better defensively. Still, it's hard for me to fault most of our players for not being good defenders. We didn't sign Bojan for his defense, but for his offense. Same for Clarkson and Ingles. The only guy who's being paid to play defense outside of Gobert is Royce. I can't fault players for not being what they are not. That's a front office issue in building this team.

Inigo Montoya wrote:Seems like Clarkson is more offended than DM, who did say similar things about how the Jazz should be better defensively. Still, it's hard for me to fault most of our players for not being good defenders. We didn't sign Bojan for his defense, but for his offense. Same for Clarkson and Ingles. The only guy who's being paid to play defense outside of Gobert is Royce. I can't fault players for not being what they are not. That's a front office issue in building this team.

You can fault them for their defensive effort. Noone wants them to be 6'6" athletic wings with 7'2" wingspans...

stitches wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:Seems like Clarkson is more offended than DM, who did say similar things about how the Jazz should be better defensively. Still, it's hard for me to fault most of our players for not being good defenders. We didn't sign Bojan for his defense, but for his offense. Same for Clarkson and Ingles. The only guy who's being paid to play defense outside of Gobert is Royce. I can't fault players for not being what they are not. That's a front office issue in building this team.

You can fault them for their defensive effort. Noone wants them to be 6'6" athletic wings with 7'2" wingspans...

Sure, but some of them just aren't good at it. Clarkson was never known for his defense. Neither did Bojan, who isn't very athletic either. Same for Ingles, and both are also old. Conley used to be a good defender but he's old as well. On the other hand, Whiteside has all the measurables in the world but he's never been a very good defender despite of his stats.

And if we're complaining about defensive effort every season, then the problem goes beyond players--to the coach, who can't make the players put in the defensive effort, or his system, and the front office who put this roster together. We didn't complain about lack of defensive effort from Rubio, for example.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

stitches wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:Seems like Clarkson is more offended than DM, who did say similar things about how the Jazz should be better defensively. Still, it's hard for me to fault most of our players for not being good defenders. We didn't sign Bojan for his defense, but for his offense. Same for Clarkson and Ingles. The only guy who's being paid to play defense outside of Gobert is Royce. I can't fault players for not being what they are not. That's a front office issue in building this team.

You can fault them for their defensive effort. Noone wants them to be 6'6" athletic wings with 7'2" wingspans...

Sure, but some of them just aren't good at it. Clarkson was never known for his defense. Neither did Bojan, who isn't very athletic either. Same for Ingles, and both are also old. Conley used to be a good defender but he's old as well. On the other hand, Whiteside has all the measurables in the world but he's never been a very good defender despite of his stats.

And if we're complaining about defensive effort every season, then the problem goes beyond players--to the coach, who can't make the players put in the defensive effort, or his system, and the front office who put this roster together. We didn't complain about lack of defensive effort from Rubio, for example.

Yep, agree on the coach. You should nevel reach the level that it has to be a player on the roster demanding effort from the rest of the team. That's the coaches' job... although... if they have to coach effort, then there is something deeper wrong with our roster, not just coaching.

red4hf wrote:

GobertReport wrote:I think this was more of a team wide shot at not playing defense.

Yeah, but he mentioned Booker, who on our team is like Booker?

Just read where DM was pissed at the media for spreading garbage and pushing hate when ever given a chance, Like they're trying to tear the jazz apart. I think Mitchell and the team sees the truth. Part of me believes they want Mitchell in the bigger market more than maybe Mitchell wants the bigger market?

ForeverRDjazz wrote: Part of me believes they want Mitchell in the bigger market more than maybe Mitchell wants the bigger market?

Why "they" would want specifically him? There are enough of brilliant guards around the league. Including new ones - like Ja Morant or LaMelo... or if to include older guys - Beal, Lillard... And I intentionally do not point to highest tear guards - like Curry, CP, Harden.

But I am pretty sure that disproportionally blown hype around DM just killing Utah chances for the ring. Though I think that DM is somewhat more reasonable in shot selection this year, I'm afraid that it is too easy to revert to bad habits. Actually even Kobe, though he number of times recognized that fault publicly, never completely overcame "herioic" mode approach.