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Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:31 pm
by zero24gravity
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-deadline-jazz-land-nickeil-alexander-walker-in-three-team-deal-with-blazers-spurs-per-report/

Two 2nd round picks also headed out. I'm hearing they save $11M using the Favors trade exception by taking on Hernangomez, and also could be flipped in another trade.

Nickeil Alexander-Walker -- what do we know about him, other than he's young (23), averages 12ppg in 26min, and shoots poor percentages? Is he a defender? Fits the size-mold of what the team needs. Seems he'll be a rotation player for the Jazz, and potentially a future piece.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alexani01.html


Juancho Hernangomez -- adds front court depth, but isn't the better "Hernangomez" you might be thinking about. Probably a non-factor, unless someone like Whiteside or Doke is traded.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernaju01.html

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:46 pm
by red4hf
Hernangomez is either getting flipped or will sit at the end of the bench...... Does Alexander-Walker make any difference? I really doubt it......

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:55 pm
by zero24gravity
red4hf wrote:Hernangomez is either getting flipped or will sit at the end of the bench...... Does Alexander-Walker make any difference? I really doubt it......


Flipped could be it. Adding him to someone like JC matches salaries with Barnes, for example.

Regarding Alexander-Walker, he instantly becomes their most valuable young/development player. Jumps Forrest, Doke & Butler, easily. He can play & help now, but his future may be the biggest asset in this trade. I'm trying to do some online research about the guy. 17th pick in 2019. Previous 2 years was 35% on 3's, but down this year to 31%. (Still shoots 6 3's a game.)

Local radio "expert" seems to love this trade, but also thinks another deal is likely.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:01 pm
by red4hf
zero24gravity wrote:
red4hf wrote:Hernangomez is either getting flipped or will sit at the end of the bench...... Does Alexander-Walker make any difference? I really doubt it......


Flipped could be it. Adding him to someone like JC matches salaries with Barnes, for example.

Regarding Alexander-Walker, he instantly becomes their most valuable young/development player. Jumps Forrest, Doke & Butler, easily. He can play & help now, but his future may be the biggest asset in this trade. I'm trying to do some online research about the guy. 17th pick in 2019. Previous 2 years was 35% on 3's, but down this year to 31%. (Still shoots 6 3's a game.)

Local radio "expert" seems to love this trade, but also thinks another deal is likely.


I hope he works out, don't get me wrong...... I just don't see Snyder giving him a lot of playing time......

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:01 pm
by CAE15
NAW just had a nice game against the Sixers where his primary defender was Thybulle. Getting a young player that has already shown flashes and putting him in a structured system is intriguing to me. Seems to have a similar game to Clarkson but seems to have more defensive upside with his wingspan and athleticism, also seems to be a more willing passer. Considering the price we paid, I don't think it's too bad. But as has been said it'll depend on if there's a followup. I liked NAW for the Blazers, so now that he's ours is kinda fun

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:18 pm
by zero24gravity
CAE15 wrote:NAW just had a nice game against the Sixers where his primary defender was Thybulle. Getting a young player that has already shown flashes and putting him in a structured system is intriguing to me. Seems to have a similar game to Clarkson but seems to have more defensive upside with his wingspan and athleticism, also seems to be a more willing passer. Considering the price we paid, I don't think it's too bad. But as has been said it'll depend on if there's a followup. I liked NAW for the Blazers, so now that he's ours is kinda fun


It's a bit like getting a high-floor 1st round pick (he's only 23 and is clearly an NBA player), in exchange for Hughes & a couple 2nds, plus flexibility with Hernangomez's contract. I'm cool with this deal, but still hope they find another trade that makes a bigger splash.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:33 pm
by SoCalJazzFan
I'm not sure this trade makes the Jazz any better. To say that NAW has been disappointing would be an understatement. Hopefully, he turns it around quickly here. Hernangomez, if he stays, is a head scratcher.

I could totally see POR taking Ingles' contract and packaging it with Winslow and Keon Johnson and the NOP pick and going after Jerami Grant.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:38 pm
by sip
Love this trade. Big fan of NAW and Hernangomez is also an excellent fit as a stretch 4. He just needs an opportunity to contribute and hopefully it happens here. As long as we are in the playoff picture we need to be giving Conley and Bogey a ton of rest the second half of the season and focused on developing our depth.

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Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:46 pm
by D Rog
This deal by itself doesn't make enough sense for this year. You get 2 assets for an expiring contract. 1 asset, NAW has "POTENTIAL" but 31% from 3 and 37.5% overall shooting for this year (both numbers similar to his career shooting percentages) this is not a guy that gets much if any time in Quin's rotation this year. Juancho Hernangomez has averaged 6 minutes in 23 games this year for a bad Spurs team. Ainge is wheeling and dealing to either get under luxury tax or put together enough pieces to get a rotation player and limiting his spending to 1 first round draft pick instead of 2 first round draft picks. No way the Jazz are done.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:56 pm
by SoCalJazzFan
Ainge just saved his boss about $12M in luxury tax. If there is another deal to be made with these incoming assets, it eludes me.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 9:34 pm
by Ell Curry
NAW is such a Clarkson type that moving Clarkson now or in the summer for a defensive forward type makes sense now, right?

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 9:44 pm
by zero24gravity
D Rog wrote:This deal by itself doesn't make enough sense for this year. You get 2 assets for an expiring contract. 1 asset, NAW has "POTENTIAL" but 31% from 3 and 37.5% overall shooting for this year (both numbers similar to his career shooting percentages) this is not a guy that gets much if any time in Quin's rotation this year. Juancho Hernangomez has averaged 6 minutes in 23 games this year for a bad Spurs team. Ainge is wheeling and dealing to either get under luxury tax or put together enough pieces to get a rotation player and limiting his spending to 1 first round draft pick instead of 2 first round draft picks. No way the Jazz are done.


I can't claim to know where his 3's are coming from this year, or the system the Pelicans run. However, his % is 4% lower than his first 2 years, and he's shooting over 6 3's a game in 26 minutes. (Those are Clarkson numbers.) I wonder if the Jazz system, which gives better open looks than most, will get him back up towards 35%? The team really does need an influx of youth & athleticism. This move is in the right direction. Just wish I knew more about his D.

My opinion is this is a good trade on the surface, for youth & saving $$, but may be a great move if they flip Hernangomez as part of something better.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 11:25 pm
by Inigo Montoya
Love this trade. We get a young player with upside in NAW whom I liked since he was drafted, got some more depth with Hernangomez, and also saved about $11M, all for an injured player (who happens to be my favorite Jazz player) who won't be able to play this season and who was on an expiring contract. What's not to like? Great job by Ainge and Zanik, I hope DL is taking notes somewhere about how to use your assets before they expire.

As for worrying that Snyder won't play NAW, I somehow don't think we have to worry about it beyond this season, as I think Snyder's time with the Jazz is....how should I say it... closer to its ending than it is to its beginning.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Wed Feb 9, 2022 11:53 pm
by CAE15
Inigo Montoya wrote:Love this trade. We get a young player with upside in NAW whom I liked since he was drafted, got some more depth with Hernangomez, and also saved about $11M, all for an injured player (who happens to be my favorite Jazz player) who won't be able to play this season and who was on an expiring contract. What's not to like? Great job by Ainge and Zanik, I hope DL is taking notes somewhere about how to use your assets before they expire.

As for worrying that Snyder won't play NAW, I somehow don't think we have to worry about it beyond this season, as I think Snyder's time with the Jazz is....how should I say it... closer to its ending than it is to its beginning.
Well he's been here 8 years so him leaving before year 16 does seem plausible

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:00 am
by Catchall
Feel like NAW is the Josh Richardson archetype. Unless the Jazz are going to route NAW to Boston for Richardson, they probably have addressed that defensive guard need for now.

NAW is good at getting downhill, and he could be a factor against a switching defense.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:07 am
by Catchall
Ell Curry wrote:NAW is such a Clarkson type that moving Clarkson now or in the summer for a defensive forward type makes sense now, right?


NAW and Hernangomez would seem to potentially open the door to moving Clarkson and Gay.

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:14 am
by sip
Inigo Montoya wrote:Love this trade. We get a young player with upside in NAW whom I liked since he was drafted, got some more depth with Hernangomez, and also saved about $11M, all for an injured player (who happens to be my favorite Jazz player) who won't be able to play this season and who was on an expiring contract. What's not to like? Great job by Ainge and Zanik, I hope DL is taking notes somewhere about how to use your assets before they expire.

As for worrying that Snyder won't play NAW, I somehow don't think we have to worry about it beyond this season, as I think Snyder's time with the Jazz is....how should I say it... closer to its ending than it is to its beginning.
I feel like people are sleeping on Hernangomez if given the opportunity. The guy definitely has a nice shooting stroke and I can't help but feel like eventually he is going to get into the right situation and become a solid bench big.

I agree that Snyder may be on the way out. You can't have the type of epic playoff collapses that we have seen over the last 2 years and not be on the hot seat a little bit. Add in his unwillingness to try and develop the younger players on the roster and management has to become frustrated. Obviously it was only 2 games but I think everyone took notice of Alex Jensen's willingness have a deep rotation even with top guys missing.

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Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:17 am
by sip
Catchall wrote:Feel like NAW is the Josh Richardson archetype. Unless the Jazz are going to route NAW to Boston for Richardson, they probably have addressed that defensive guard need for now.

NAW is good at getting downhill, and he could be a factor against a switching defense.
He has the build of Josh Richardson but so far he hasn't been much of a defender. He does have the size and length though to become one if committed though. That tends to be the case with a lot of players though and it never happens.

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Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:01 am
by CAE15
sip wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Love this trade. We get a young player with upside in NAW whom I liked since he was drafted, got some more depth with Hernangomez, and also saved about $11M, all for an injured player (who happens to be my favorite Jazz player) who won't be able to play this season and who was on an expiring contract. What's not to like? Great job by Ainge and Zanik, I hope DL is taking notes somewhere about how to use your assets before they expire.

As for worrying that Snyder won't play NAW, I somehow don't think we have to worry about it beyond this season, as I think Snyder's time with the Jazz is....how should I say it... closer to its ending than it is to its beginning.
I feel like people are sleeping on Hernangomez if given the opportunity. The guy definitely has a nice shooting stroke and I can't help but feel like eventually he is going to get into the right situation and become a solid bench big.

I agree that Snyder may be on the way out. You can't have the type of epic playoff collapses that we have seen over the last 2 years and not be on the hot seat a little bit. Add in his unwillingness to try and develop the younger players on the roster and management has to become frustrated. Obviously it was only 2 games but I think everyone took notice of Alex Jensen's willingness have a deep rotation even with top guys missing.

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That was Quin's rotation..it only changed because it was the games where Ingles was out. Notice how when Quin was back against the Knicks the rotation was pretty much just as it was while Quin was gone? Even trying out Butler for a quick 4 minutes. I think the only way Quin goes somewhere is he asks to go elsewhere

Re: Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:43 am
by Hoops Addict
Drafted with the 16th pick 3 years ago.

Walker scoreing 32 points againt the 76ers 2 weeks ago....he has some strong game.

He scored over 30 .....3 timers this year...he is 6'5'.....nice to have taller guards instead of our guys that are shorter.


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