Future change needed ... if decided

[dr0welf]

I'm curious to see where the fan base feels the best solution comes from with this Jazz Team. Please answer the poll and explain any thoughts (especially if option 5 is picked). You can pick multiple option

[Inigo Montoya]

I picked three options:
Trade Gobert
Fire Snyder
Change main supporting cast

Trade Gobert
As good of a defender Gobert is, teams have figured out how to neutralize him in the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old next season and on a huge supermax deal, he still has no moves on offense and can't score anything that isn't an dunk that was set up for him by other players, and his relationship with Mitchell seems strained. Since there are other teams in the league with good defenses and since there is only one Gobert, then obviously it is possible to create a good defense without him. Of course, we'll need different personnel for that.

Fire Snyder
While he isn't a bad coach, he's not a great coach either. It seems players have begun to tune him out and his impact on the team seems lessened. We keep falling into our bad habits and lose the same way, giving away big leads going on for several seasons now, and we keep getting ousted from the playoffs year after year in a humiliating manner. He's shown Corbin-esque tendencies and stubbornness with rotations and he keeps sticking too long with lineups that aren't working, and it takes him too long to react when things don't go well for the Jazz. He's also shown to be out-coached in the playoffs several times and isn't good at making in-game adjustments. Furthermore, his defensive scheme is entirely based on Gobert, and he has shown to be incapable of putting together a good defense when Gobert is off the floor, for years. As I said in another thread, we could do worse than Snyder, but we could do better as well and I'd like us to take a shot at it, and I suspect that if we get bounced in the first or second round again, we will, since Smith and Ainge will probably want to start building this team as they see fit and with their own coach.

Change main supporting cast
Most of our supporting cast has shown problems on defense and they can't defend against guards and wings. It is also a very old roster. It's time for an overhaul, with a new coach and a new roster that better fits the way the game is played today. I'd be open to trading anyone other than Mitchell, and start again. Replenish out asset pool, make the roster younger, get some draft picks, and put together a more athletic team with players who can defend multiple positions.

[d boy gentleman]

I picked three options:
Trade Gobert
Fire Snyder
Change main supporting cast

Trade Gobert
As good of a defender Gobert is, teams have figured out how to neutralize him in the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old next season and on a huge supermax deal, he still has no moves on offense and can't score anything that isn't an dunk that was set up for him by other players, and his relationship with Mitchell seems strained. Since there are other teams in the league with good defenses and since there is only one Gobert, then obviously it is possible to create a good defense without him. Of course, we'll need different personnel for that.

Fire Snyder
While he isn't a bad coach, he's not a great coach either. It seems players have begun to tune him out and his impact on the team seems lessened. We keep falling into our bad habits and lose the same way, giving away big leads going on for several seasons now, and we keep getting ousted from the playoffs year after year in a humiliating manner. He's shown Corbin-esque tendencies and stubbornness with rotations and he keeps sticking too long with lineups that aren't working, and it takes him too long to react when things don't go well for the Jazz. He's also shown to be out-coached in the playoffs several times and isn't good at making in-game adjustments. Furthermore, his defensive scheme is entirely based on Gobert, and he has shown to be incapable of putting together a good defense when Gobert is off the floor, for years. As I said in another thread, we could do worse than Snyder, but we could do better as well and I'd like us to take a shot at it, and I suspect that if we get bounced in the first or second round again, we will, since Smith and Ainge will probably want to start building this team as they see fit and with their own coach.

Change main supporting cast
Most of our supporting cast has shown problems on defense and they can't defend against guards and wings. It is also a very old roster. It's time for an overhaul, with a new coach and a new roster that better fits the way the game is played today. I'd be open to trading anyone other than Mitchell, and start again. Replenish out asset pool, make the roster younger, get some draft picks, and put together a more athletic team with players who can defend multiple positions.

Bulls fan here; I come in peace and not to troll. The bolded part. Would the Jazz be cool with Nikola Vucevic(expiring deal), Patrick Williams and Coby White for Gobert if that's the route the Jazz want to go?

[AingesBurner]

I picked three options:
Trade Gobert
Fire Snyder
Change main supporting cast

Trade Gobert
As good of a defender Gobert is, teams have figured out how to neutralize him in the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old next season and on a huge supermax deal, he still has no moves on offense and can't score anything that isn't an dunk that was set up for him by other players, and his relationship with Mitchell seems strained. Since there are other teams in the league with good defenses and since there is only one Gobert, then obviously it is possible to create a good defense without him. Of course, we'll need different personnel for that.

Fire Snyder
While he isn't a bad coach, he's not a great coach either. It seems players have begun to tune him out and his impact on the team seems lessened. We keep falling into our bad habits and lose the same way, giving away big leads going on for several seasons now, and we keep getting ousted from the playoffs year after year in a humiliating manner. He's shown Corbin-esque tendencies and stubbornness with rotations and he keeps sticking too long with lineups that aren't working, and it takes him too long to react when things don't go well for the Jazz. He's also shown to be out-coached in the playoffs several times and isn't good at making in-game adjustments. Furthermore, his defensive scheme is entirely based on Gobert, and he has shown to be incapable of putting together a good defense when Gobert is off the floor, for years. As I said in another thread, we could do worse than Snyder, but we could do better as well and I'd like us to take a shot at it, and I suspect that if we get bounced in the first or second round again, we will, since Smith and Ainge will probably want to start building this team as they see fit and with their own coach.

Change main supporting cast
Most of our supporting cast has shown problems on defense and they can't defend against guards and wings. It is also a very old roster. It's time for an overhaul, with a new coach and a new roster that better fits the way the game is played today. I'd be open to trading anyone other than Mitchell, and start again. Replenish out asset pool, make the roster younger, get some draft picks, and put together a more athletic team with players who can defend multiple positions.

Bulls fan here; I come in peace and not to troll. The bolded part. Would the Jazz be cool with Nikola Vucevic(expiring deal), Patrick Williams and Coby White for Gobert if that's the route the Jazz want to go?

If you’re willing to swap Conley and Lavine.

[d boy gentleman]

I picked three options:
Trade Gobert
Fire Snyder
Change main supporting cast

Trade Gobert
As good of a defender Gobert is, teams have figured out how to neutralize him in the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old next season and on a huge supermax deal, he still has no moves on offense and can't score anything that isn't an dunk that was set up for him by other players, and his relationship with Mitchell seems strained. Since there are other teams in the league with good defenses and since there is only one Gobert, then obviously it is possible to create a good defense without him. Of course, we'll need different personnel for that.

Fire Snyder
While he isn't a bad coach, he's not a great coach either. It seems players have begun to tune him out and his impact on the team seems lessened. We keep falling into our bad habits and lose the same way, giving away big leads going on for several seasons now, and we keep getting ousted from the playoffs year after year in a humiliating manner. He's shown Corbin-esque tendencies and stubbornness with rotations and he keeps sticking too long with lineups that aren't working, and it takes him too long to react when things don't go well for the Jazz. He's also shown to be out-coached in the playoffs several times and isn't good at making in-game adjustments. Furthermore, his defensive scheme is entirely based on Gobert, and he has shown to be incapable of putting together a good defense when Gobert is off the floor, for years. As I said in another thread, we could do worse than Snyder, but we could do better as well and I'd like us to take a shot at it, and I suspect that if we get bounced in the first or second round again, we will, since Smith and Ainge will probably want to start building this team as they see fit and with their own coach.

Change main supporting cast
Most of our supporting cast has shown problems on defense and they can't defend against guards and wings. It is also a very old roster. It's time for an overhaul, with a new coach and a new roster that better fits the way the game is played today. I'd be open to trading anyone other than Mitchell, and start again. Replenish out asset pool, make the roster younger, get some draft picks, and put together a more athletic team with players who can defend multiple positions.

Bulls fan here; I come in peace and not to troll. The bolded part. Would the Jazz be cool with Nikola Vucevic(expiring deal), Patrick Williams and Coby White for Gobert if that's the route the Jazz want to go?

If you’re willing to swap Conley and Lavine.

Mitchell would make LaVine kinda redundant; no?

[babyjax13]

I picked three options:
Trade Gobert
Fire Snyder
Change main supporting cast

Trade Gobert
As good of a defender Gobert is, teams have figured out how to neutralize him in the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old next season and on a huge supermax deal, he still has no moves on offense and can't score anything that isn't an dunk that was set up for him by other players, and his relationship with Mitchell seems strained. Since there are other teams in the league with good defenses and since there is only one Gobert, then obviously it is possible to create a good defense without him. Of course, we'll need different personnel for that.

Fire Snyder
While he isn't a bad coach, he's not a great coach either. It seems players have begun to tune him out and his impact on the team seems lessened. We keep falling into our bad habits and lose the same way, giving away big leads going on for several seasons now, and we keep getting ousted from the playoffs year after year in a humiliating manner. He's shown Corbin-esque tendencies and stubbornness with rotations and he keeps sticking too long with lineups that aren't working, and it takes him too long to react when things don't go well for the Jazz. He's also shown to be out-coached in the playoffs several times and isn't good at making in-game adjustments. Furthermore, his defensive scheme is entirely based on Gobert, and he has shown to be incapable of putting together a good defense when Gobert is off the floor, for years. As I said in another thread, we could do worse than Snyder, but we could do better as well and I'd like us to take a shot at it, and I suspect that if we get bounced in the first or second round again, we will, since Smith and Ainge will probably want to start building this team as they see fit and with their own coach.

Change main supporting cast
Most of our supporting cast has shown problems on defense and they can't defend against guards and wings. It is also a very old roster. It's time for an overhaul, with a new coach and a new roster that better fits the way the game is played today. I'd be open to trading anyone other than Mitchell, and start again. Replenish out asset pool, make the roster younger, get some draft picks, and put together a more athletic team with players who can defend multiple positions.

Bulls fan here; I come in peace and not to troll. The bolded part. Would the Jazz be cool with Nikola Vucevic(expiring deal), Patrick Williams and Coby White for Gobert if that's the route the Jazz want to go?

No.

[babyjax13]

1. I would be willing to trade one of Rudy or Donovan if that relationship is really fractured. Probably Rudy just because of age, but if the offers are poor I'd trade Mitchell instead. But the option I chose was to retool around them. I love Conley, but he's too small. I love Bogey, but he's too poor of a defender. I like Royce, but he can't score well enough and he's not a power forward. Gay is too old, and too redundant.

2. Keep Snyder. He's the quality of coach that if the team isn't working you trade the players. I don't know what teams people are watching but there are, in my mind, only three coaches who are clearly better: Spo, Lue, and Pop. There is a reason that he is being connected to other teams.

[AingesBurner]

Bulls fan here; I come in peace and not to troll. The bolded part. Would the Jazz be cool with Nikola Vucevic(expiring deal), Patrick Williams and Coby White for Gobert if that's the route the Jazz want to go?

If you’re willing to swap Conley and Lavine.

Mitchell would make LaVine kinda redundant; no?

Talent is talent, don’t really care, does Steph make Klay redundant?

[Catchall]

Jazz need a dynamic, triple-threat wing to pair next to Mitchell. There's no imperative to get rid of Gobert, unless you think there is an opportunistic trade to bring in another All Star. Jazz should be looking to move Bojan, Royce, Conley, etc. before trading out their stars.

[AingesBurner]

Jazz need a dynamic, triple-threat wing to pair next to Mitchell. There's no imperative to get rid of Gobert, unless you think there is an opportunistic trade to bring in another All Star. Jazz should be looking to move Bojan, Royce, Conley, etc. before trading out their stars.

I don’t see Conley having any value or Royce.

[sip]

Conley may have value. Royce is a scrub. I remember debating people on this board a few years about Royce not being an elite defender and everyone thought he was a top 5 perimeter defender. He was never even close to an elite perimeter defender and now he has turned into a mediocre defender. The guy is awful and needs to be benched.

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[bkohler]

I’d keep Snyder and be willing to trade anyone/everyone based off how the lottery shakes out. 23’ is a good year for the jazz to be bad so starting over with a few high draft picks would work out well.

Either way this team has aged out, if you keep Rudy/Don you’ve got to retool around them.

If we retool I’d look for something like:
Mitchell/KCP/House/Cam Johnson/Gobert

If we trade Gobert I’d be trying to get either a package from the warriors with Moody/Kaminga or the two lottery picks from the Blazers.

If we trade Don I’d be looking for Hero+, Barret + 22 pick, or something of that nature. Young player + pick, I’m definitely not down with getting older with someone like Damian.

[dr0welf]

I think I'm leaning trade Mitchell. He is worth the most and will make a soft reset easy. I would not go into full rebuild mold as I think Gobert has 4-5 elite years left. I would also move on from O'neal as I'm really not impressed with him this year. If a 10 day contract guy can come in and out play you, you should not be in the starting lineup. And props to House for being ready to play.

[AingesBurner]

I think I would keep Gobert, Mitchell, Bogey, Juancho, House, Whiteside, and maybe Clarkson. Trade the rest.

See if Indiana and LA are interested in a Brogdon, Conley, and Westbrook trade, send the LA 1sts to Indi. See if we can get Smart somehow.

If things don’t go well next then trade Mitchell for as much as possible.

[AingesBurner]

We somehow, someway have to fix all of Lindsey’s mistakes.

[Inigo Montoya]

Gobert is going to be 30 very soon and on only the first year of a 5-year massive supermax contract with no team option. If the Jazz can get out of it, they should.

[Inigo Montoya]

I'm also not down with the 'keep Snyder and replace everyone else' approach. It's easier to replace a coach than overhaul the entire roster. I just happen to think we should do both.

[dr0welf]

I'm also not down with the 'keep Snyder and replace everyone else' approach. It's easier to replace a coach than overhaul the entire roster. I just happen to think we should do both.

I would like to see Jinglin' Joe come back as an assistant coach. I think he has a coaching career ahead of him. Might be fun to watch him get fired up as a head coach

[Catchall]

If the Jazz drafted Desmond Bane instead of Udoka Azubuike, none of this conversation would even be happening.

The Jazz need to upgrade Royce O'Neale. They tried to do it with Rudy Gay, but it didn't work. There are other avenues to try.

[TNJazz]

If one can remember way back, the Jazz could have picked Booker in that draft, but instead went with his KY teammate Trey Lyles. At that time, everyone was scratching their collective heads.