This is Why Sloan Kills Us

[Racer X]

I have been listening to Locke from 1320 spout of his blatant SloanHomerism far too long. I cant take it. The only people who call in and try and prove him wrong are usually idiots and point to things that Locke can easily shut down. Here is the truth though:

Sloan cant coach games. Period the end. He has no concept of game-flow, and I have never in my life seen him make in game adjustments. He sticks to his substitution patterns even when it means we lose the games. He refuses to coach most games. I have seen 20 pts leads dwindle to a -2 deficit before he calls a timeout. I saw him do it a decade ago, I see him do it now.

Here is the shining proof to this fact. The 1997 NBA Finals. Jazz lose to Bulls 4-2. Michael Jordan was the Bulls best player (& the NBA's best player). Is it safe to say that John Stockton was the Jazz's best player? I say yes. Now this is the Championship series. The end all. Here is how much Phil Jackson used Michael Jordan: 42.7 mpg with a high of 45 mins played in 1 game. Here is how Jerry Sloan used John Stockton: 37.5 mpg with a whopping high of 39 min played in 1 game. HE DIDNT EVEN PLAY OUR BEST PLAYER 40 MINS IN 1 GAME DURING THAT ENTIRE SERIES.

Now to give you some perspective: 3 of the 4 Jazz losses were by 4 pts or less. Multiple 2 pt losses. Michael Jordan played 256 total minutes. John Stockton played a total of 225 minutes. Jordan ended up playing 31 more mins that Stockton. 31 MINUTES!!!! That is more than half of a game. In our Game 5 loss by 2 pts Stockton played literally 36 mins while Jordan played 44. Do you not think that in even 2 more minutes Stockton could have made at least a 2 pt difference? I certainly do.

Jackson coached the Bulls, Sloan did not do the same for the Jazz and we lost. Simple as that. He cost us Championships and may cost us more. Its time for him to step down. He has hurt us enough.

[CAE15]

Maybe you should just move on from the Jazz, ever thought about that? No coach lets a 20 point lead go without taking a timeout. and Sloan made an adjustment just last game, he planned on bring in korver earlier in the 4th quarter but CJ was doing very well so he left him in. The fact that people say sloan is not a good coach is just crazy, he doesnt play his guys as many minutes because he believe they play better with rest.

[Rive]

That was weird... had to double check Racer X's post to check if the date wasn't July of 1997.

It may just be time to get over that series.

And what horrible and horrendous things has Sloan done this season.... ??? I think the only thing I could point to was the Giricek situation. But look how that turned out............. Kyle Korver.

What makes you so sure that we would all of a sudden tear up the league if Sloan stepped down tomorrow? I predict we wouldn't make the playoffs if he did.

Racer X = Hater

[d-will8]

Sloan's a good coach in a lot of ways, but if you don't think that his substitution patterns and in game management don't hurt the team on a fairly regular basis, you're delusional.

[Malone Strong]

Racer X is exactly right. There are more reasons he left out, too. Like Sloan's always needing a whipping boy who gets no fair chance to get out of his doghouse until he retires or gets traded (Morris, Ostertag, Giricek)...hell, Sloan even TRADED a bunch of new guys to bring Ostertag BACK cuz he missed his b*tch.

Also, Jerry blames the players when they lose. "Its not my job to have them ready to play..." Oh really Jerry? Then what IS your job?

Sloan sucks...

[HouseofBoozer]

Racer X is exactly right. There are more reasons he left out, too. Like Sloan's always needing a whipping boy who gets no fair chance to get out of his doghouse until he retires or gets traded (Morris, Ostertag, Giricek)...hell, Sloan even TRADED a bunch of new guys to bring Ostertag BACK cuz he missed his b*tch.

Also, Jerry blames the players when they lose. "Its not my job to have them ready to play..." Oh really Jerry? Then what IS your job?

Sloan sucks...

I have no idea where you get that from. I have only ever heard him say that it is his job to get his players ready. Just for the sake of enlightenment, could you show us when he said that.

[Malone Strong]

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I have no idea where you get that from. I have only ever heard him say that it is his job to get his players ready. Just for the sake of enlightenment, could you show us when he said that.

Do it yourself. Just go google it. Ill bet you get like 20 million hits. He's only said it 20 times each season...

[Jazzy13]

Sloan does have some issues, but compared to what a lot of other teams coaches, he's still one of the top in the league.

Sloan will go when he wants to go but until then we cant do anything about it.
It could be worse. I mean c'mon, what if we had George Karl, or even worse Isiah Thomas? UUUgghh.

[Racer X]

Maybe you should just move on from the Jazz, ever thought about that? No coach lets a 20 point lead go without taking a timeout. and Sloan made an adjustment just last game, he planned on bring in korver earlier in the 4th quarter but CJ was doing very well so he left him in. The fact that people say sloan is not a good coach is just crazy, he doesnt play his guys as many minutes because he believe they play better with rest.

I know one.

Everyone has come in here saying I am wrong, yet none of them have shown me anything or addressed any of the HARD facts in my original post to prove me wrong.

[carrottop12]

This is a funny thread.

A couple of things that I want to point out.

1. Sloan always takes blame for the team losing, he never points fingers, he never says it was anyone's fault, he will blame defense, he will say they didn't execute, but he has never blamed a player for not winning the game, he always takes it on himself.

2. A lot of coaches let other teams scoring runs go in order to see if their team can bounce back, look at Phil Jackson, he has always done that, he's a top 2 coach ever. It's just a tactic, there is no right way to coach in that situation.

3. What other coaches don't have faulty sub patterns? Every fan of every team disagrees with the way their coach uses certain players, it's the nature of the beast.

4. What coach doesn't have a dog house? Name me one coach who doesn't have a whooping boy? And be thankful it was always a crap player who never helped the Jazz.

[stevebozell]

And be thankful it was always a crap player who never helped the Jazz.

Another GENIUS line from our only basketball expert! Too bad Gira led the league in 3-point shooting in the playoffs and was an obvious(to everyone but this blind mouse) key contributor off the deep bench of a Western Conference Finals team. Brilliant! :clap:

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

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Another GENIUS line from our only basketball expert! Too bad Gira led the league in 3-point shooting in the playoffs and was an obvious(to everyone but this blind mouse) key contributor off the deep bench of a Western Conference Finals team. Brilliant!

But, didn't Gira resume his role as a "key contributor off the deep bench of a Western Conference Finals team" this year. What happened??? Maybe the fact that he SUCKED BALLS OUT THERE is an indicative??? Did he actually have a good game??? Sloan gave him the minutes, and he played like crap. He rarely shot the freaking ball, broke plays, and I think avg. more TOPG than FGMPG. Yeah... why would you NOT want to play a guy like that. Oh and the fact that he didn't play a lick of smart D is the icing on the cake.

[stevebozell]

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But, didn't Gira resume his role as a "key contributor off the deep bench of a Western Conference Finals team" this year. What happened???

Are you serious?? You cant be? Well, just in case you are, here is the reason. HE DIDNT PLAY!! How can you resume anything when you are constantly having your minutes jerked around? You cant. Plus, the batronug called him "a piece of crap player who never helped the Jazz". Obviously that is dead wrong(like most of his basketball opinions), and proves that if used right(which is a coaches job to do) he can be a very useful player. Our coach is too inflexible and stubborn, and selfish apparently, to make adjustments to make him useful.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

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Are you serious?? You cant be? Well, just in case you are, here is the reason. HE DIDNT PLAY!! How can you resume anything when you are constantly having your minutes jerked around? You cant. Plus, the batronug called him "a piece of crap player who never helped the Jazz". Obviously that is dead wrong(like most of his basketball opinions), and proves that if used right(which is a coaches job to do) he can be a very useful player. Our coach is too inflexible and stubborn, and selfish apparently, to make adjustments to make him useful.

I'm sorry my friend, but you are dead WRONG. If anything, it proves that when you play within the system and you abilitites, you can be a "very useful player". Remember that 42-40 season in 03-04???

What did Giricek do in last year's playoffs differently?? He did what he was supposed to do. He spotted up, and (OMG!!!) TOOK THE SHOT!!!

He did NOT do any of that by any means this years, and was as crappy as ever. Selfish, breaking plays, doing his "own" sh

[stevebozell]

Youre seeing what you want to see, not what actually happened. Gira is the same player now as when he had success. You wont give him credit for having "good stretches", but you will bash him for not having good stretches? Your blatant Gira-hating is coming to the surface, and making you look stupid.

[DaveMustaine]

I have been listening to Locke from 1320 spout of his blatant SloanHomerism far too long. I cant take it. The only people who call in and try and prove him wrong are usually idiots and point to things that Locke can easily shut down. Here is the truth though:

Sloan cant coach games. Period the end. He has no concept of game-flow, and I have never in my life seen him make in game adjustments. He sticks to his substitution patterns even when it means we lose the games. He refuses to coach most games. I have seen 20 pts leads dwindle to a -2 deficit before he calls a timeout. I saw him do it a decade ago, I see him do it now.

Here is the shining proof to this fact. The 1997 NBA Finals. Jazz lose to Bulls 4-2. Michael Jordan was the Bulls best player (& the NBA's best player). Is it safe to say that John Stockton was the Jazz's best player? I say yes. Now this is the Championship series. The end all. Here is how much Phil Jackson used Michael Jordan: 42.7 mpg with a high of 45 mins played in 1 game. Here is how Jerry Sloan used John Stockton: 37.5 mpg with a whopping high of 39 min played in 1 game. HE DIDNT EVEN PLAY OUR BEST PLAYER 40 MINS IN 1 GAME DURING THAT ENTIRE SERIES.

Now to give you some perspective: 3 of the 4 Jazz losses were by 4 pts or less. Multiple 2 pt losses. Michael Jordan played 256 total minutes. John Stockton played a total of 225 minutes. Jordan ended up playing 31 more mins that Stockton. 31 MINUTES!!!! That is more than half of a game. In our Game 5 loss by 2 pts Stockton played literally 36 mins while Jordan played 44. Do you not think that in even 2 more minutes Stockton could have made at least a 2 pt difference? I certainly do.

Jackson coached the Bulls, Sloan did not do the same for the Jazz and we lost. Simple as that. He cost us Championships and may cost us more. Its time for him to step down. He has hurt us enough.

What do you hope to gain by coming on here and posting this crap? Do you think you are going to get Sloan fired?

[Racer X]

Because I dont understand why people act like Sloan is some genius who has constantly led our team to greatness.

He has always and will always leave units with the likes of jason hart and jarron collins out on the floor for far too long and let leads disappear when every other coach in the league would bring back their star players.

[DaveMustaine]

Because I dont understand why people act like Sloan is some genius who has constantly led our team to greatness.

He has always and will always leave units with the likes of jason hart and jarron collins out on the floor for far too long and let leads disappear when every other coach in the league would bring back their star players.

I'm guessing you've never played organized sports, in your opinion, why don't the jazz players seem to have the high ratio of injuries as compared to the rest of the league?

[loserX]

I know one.

Everyone has come in here saying I am wrong, yet none of them have shown me anything or addressed any of the HARD facts in my original post to prove me wrong.

What exactly are you hoping for? You quote exactly one "HARD fact"...that Jordan played more minutes than Stockton. That's incontrovertible.

You then ASSUME (which is NOT a hard fact) that playing Stockton more would have led to more wins. How can anyone prove or disprove that without a time machine?

I don't mind good, cogent arguments for or against Sloan. There are certainly good arguments to be made for either side. I do not, however, like arguments that suggest that IF something in the past were different than it was, that there would INEVITABLY have been a different result (usually championships), therefore Sloan is wrong. That's a completely unconfirmable hypothesis that doesn't prove anything either way.

[Da110n0rcutt]

PLEASE DON'T BE DUMB ANYONE, whoever posts threads like these has problems. Sloan has over a 1000 wins, lead a horrible team to a 42-40 record after Stock-Malone era, and has only had 1, did I say that right only ONE losing season. HE IS A HALL-A-FAMER, get a frickin' clue, he decides when he wants to leave!