watching the game tonight...

Pappyman · Post #1 » by **Pappyman** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:43 am

i thought to myself, "wow the jazz are bloody good right now." then i realized how the jazz could basically become the best team in the league if they had a shot-blocking center to start along side of boozer. that would allow memo to come off the bench and be an instant offense man. i think that we could get that type of player if we traded jason hart, jarron collins, and c.j. miles (three players that have no business being on this team) in a package together. the only problem is finding that player. does anyone have any ideas who we could trade for?

Post #2 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:56 am

No one like that is available. Memphis doesn't have anyone that fits the bill and neither does Miami. Doleac would just be a glorified (barely) version of Collins.

Pappyman · Post #3 » by **Pappyman** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:59 am

i know. that's the problem. it is sort of a catch-22. there is no one really out there that i would trade them for, but if you don't trade them, miles and hart's contracts will be gone and we can't trade them unless we force a sign and trade.

karizma87 · Post #4 » by **karizma87** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:06 am

that's the dumbest statement ever made...why would memo come off the bench? we can just get an athletic scrub to come help when the D is collapsing.

Post #5 » by **bleu** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:19 pm

Fess???...

Malone Strong · Post #6 » by **Malone Strong** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:02 pm

Why would anyone trade a decent defensive big for our garbage of Collins, Hart (who is the worst shooter in the NBA), and CJ Miles, who has never proven to be consistent?

Post #7 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:47 pm

Malone Strong wrote:Why would anyone trade a decent defensive big for our garbage of Collins, Hart (who is the worst shooter in the NBA), and CJ Miles, who has never proven to be consistent?

Exactly, it's not like any of those guys have valuable cap contracts. They have small money contracts and Hart and Collins don't expire this year.

LjJazzman · Post #8 » by **LjJazzman** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:22 am

A shot blocking center is the most incredibly overrated thing in the nba. How many shot blocking centers are there in the league? not many, and all of the GREAT teams don't have a player that JUST doest that. Guys like Timmy do a hell of a lot more than just block shots. Also, most bigs that JUST block shots suck ass at everything else INCLUDING position defense.

Locke went over this just a couple weeks ago about the myth of the necessity of a shot blocking center. He showed the +/-, and points per 100 possessions on all the shot blocking centers in the league (excluding superstars like yao and timmy). And it showed that they were HORRIBLE in both categories, and that players like our collins were much better in both categories.

Malone Strong · Post #9 » by **Malone Strong** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:25 am

^So Mark Eaton was overrated?

LjJazzman · Post #10 » by **LjJazzman** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:33 am

Malone Strong wrote:^So Mark Eaton was overrated?

Make was a lot more than JUST a shot blocker, everything he did on D was great. And comparing Mark to the players that people on here think we need to pick up to play 15 minutes a game it a freaking joke. Yea, lets compare one of the greatest defenders and shot blockers of all time to Brian Skinner, or Diop. Which even players like that are probably out of each for us.

Malone Strong · Post #11 » by **Malone Strong** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:42 am

^Diop sucks dude. Id rather continue to develop FEss and CJ than trade for his overrated ass...

LjJazzman · Post #12 » by **LjJazzman** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:43 am

Malone Strong wrote:^Diop sucks dude. Id rather continue to develop FEss and CJ than trade for his overrated ass...

No **** he does. THATS MY POINT!

The Sheik · Post #13 » by **The Sheik** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:05 am

Collins biggest problem is his athleticism...if he was a quicker and could jump higher we would be just fine right now. What the Jazz really need out of a big is a solid rebounder, with a High IQ on D (making good rotations, helping teammates out etc.), that understands his role and is a trash man on the offensive end. I agree with LJ and Locke about the shot blocking big being overrated. What is he going to get 2 bpg? thats 4 pts a game. I would much rather have a guy that is gonna clean up on the boards and take away 2nd chance pts. A guy that comes to mind for me is Reggie Evans, its to bad his contract is garbage.

J_Ray · Post #14 » by **J_Ray** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:17 am

Utah needs a guy like Francisco Elson or Mikki Moore if they can't get a shotblocker. The people off the bench are suppose to bring energy, Jargo just doesn't do that. If Utah does wait until the offseason, someone like Oberto would be ideal IMO.

dalekjazz · Post #15 » by **dalekjazz** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:21 am

Malone Strong wrote:Why would anyone trade a decent defensive big for our garbage of Collins, Hart (who is the worst shooter in the NBA), and CJ Miles, who has never proven to be consistent?

The same reason the Grizzlies traded Gasol, a potential all-star for Laker garbage.

dalekjazz · Post #16 » by **dalekjazz** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:23 am

J_Ray wrote:Utah needs a guy like Francisco Elson or Mikki Moore if they can't get a shotblocker. The people off the bench are suppose to bring energy, Jargo just doesn't do that. If Utah does wait until the offseason, someone like Oberto would be ideal IMO.

Moore was a free agent who had previous success in Utah and might have come over. Unfortunately the Jazz did not go after him in their great pursuit of Peterson.

J_Ray · Post #17 » by **J_Ray** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:37 am

dalekjazz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Moore was a free agent who had previous success in Utah and might have come over. Unfortunately the Jazz did not go after him in their great pursuit of Peterson.

I know that, I was just saying they need someone like that. I say Utah should throw part or all of their MLE @ Oberto this offseason.

erudite23 · Post #18 » by **erudite23** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:02 am

There's no reason to go after some stiff like Moore or Ratliff.

We need a quality shotblocker and rebounder who can at least keep defenses honest with his offensive game and who--more than anything--has a nasty attitude and swagger about him. We need someone who gets angry at the sight of an opposing player strolling down the lane for an unconstested dunk and would rather see that guy hit the deck and then get his sore ass up and earn his points at the FT line than turn around and run back on O.

That's what we need. Fortunately, Fess has at least an outside shot at being that guy. He doesn't have to be an all-world shot blocker so much as he needs to be a quality interior defender, a guy who understands rotations, is committed to defense first, and who will be a presence in the paint on the "other" end of the floor. You know, all the things that Booz and Memo aren't.

Still, if playoff time comes around and Memo turns it on defensively like he did last year, that will give us a chance in the playoffs. It would be nice if he would do it year 'round, though.

Post #19 » by **loserX** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:42 am

My first choice would be Jeff Foster of Indiana, although I doubt we could put together a good package for him (although we do already know Larry loves Almond...he apparently had a deal in place with Houston to draft him before we scooped him up!).

Shelden Williams may also be available...he's undersized and inexperienced, but he's also hard-working and physical.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #20 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:41 am

chris andersen