Memo back?

erudite23 · Post #1 » by **erudite23** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 1:40 am

Is it safe to declare Memo officially back? He has been much better recently, punctuated by last night's game winning performance with 27/11/5, in addition to a bunch of other games where he's been differing levels of excellenct. Its clear now that his sub par play earlier in the year was due in large part to his nagging toe injury, as well as the shoulder problem he went through.

So what's the verdict? Is it official?

de2nd · Post #2 » by **de2nd** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 1:44 am

?? No. He's way inconsistent. I remember us declaring him back when he got back from being hurt, then he had a string of very inconsistent games.

I'll buy it when he puts a consistent string of games together.

xstockholmsyndromex · Post #3 » by **xstockholmsyndromex** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 1:44 am

Its all about the goatee!! He grows it back to full length, and he comes back to his full strength.

erudite23 · Post #4 » by **erudite23** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 1:50 am

Memo has always been inconsistent. I'm not asking "is Memo an All Star", I'm asking is he back to what we expected of him coming into this year?

Just for the record, in 08 he has put up the follwing numbers:

15.4ppg
7.1 rpg
46.5 fg%
42.5 3pt fg%

Considering what is available in the way of opportunity on our team, that is about what you are looking for from him. Maybe 8rpg would be what we should reasonably expect, but the other numbers are superb.

The Sheik · Post #5 » by **The Sheik** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 2:01 am

If Memo can put up:

12-15 ppg
6-8 rpg

for 20 games then I say yes. If Memos point totals go down while he is playing D then that is fine, but he needs to get 8 rpg consistently. I agree de2nd and stock, he is way to inconsistent and the goatee is key.

karizma87 · Post #6 » by **karizma87** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 2:33 am

don't jinx it...?

Malone Strong · Post #7 » by **Malone Strong** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 3:42 am

As recently as one year ago, Mehmet Okur was the most clutch Jazz player I had ever seen. Hit ability to hit big shot after big shot in the clutch was the reason we won many close games on the road last year. That Memo is certainly not back, though Okur came up big in a major way for us against the Wizards...

LjJazzman · Post #8 » by **LjJazzman** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 3:51 am

Jazz seem to do best when Memo is at the top of his game. Deron and Boozer can both have GREAT games and we can lose, it seems like we rarely lose when memo is hot.

jazz__stoner · Post #9 » by **jazz__stoner** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 9:08 am

LjJazzman wrote:Jazz seem to do best when Memo is at the top of his game. Deron and Boozer can both have GREAT games and we can lose, it seems like we rarely lose when memo is hot.

Totally.

As long as his confidence is up the team is in great shape. Like Sheik said, if he was consistent he would be an all-star every year but that has been the total opposite.

Memo seems to be on fire in pretty long streches and cold as much. I'm glad to see the trade Memo posts are gone.

The dude streches the floor when he is on it's insane and allows role players or the bench in whole, to have HUGE nights.

PM to Yeliz: Keep blowing Memo. Keep up the good work.

troy · Post #10 » by **troy** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 3:55 pm

Memo is definitely playing his best ball of the season lately. He is quicker than earlier in the season and he is more efficient in the post lately (his outside shot wasnt the problem)

Nevertheless i'd still rather have a good post defender / shotblocker than Memo. We were already one of the best offenses when he wasn't playing well , we don't need his offensive game as much as good defender.

For instance i will pick one highlight of last night's game :
In the first half , Navarro got a basket in transition by going hard at the rim , he completed the basket just in front off Memo and Boozer. Both players didn't even TRY to block his shot which was almost a gift for any decent shotblockers.

With Korver , Boozer , Deron , Kirilenko , Harpring , etc etc... Offense is not an issue. Defense is . We need a defensive big. It is true when Okur isn't playing well , and it's true when he is.

karizma87 · Post #11 » by **karizma87** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 6:41 pm

troy wrote:
Nevertheless i'd still rather have a good post defender / shotblocker than Memo. We were already one of the best offenses when he wasn't playing well , we don't need his offensive game as much as good defender.

what kind of crack are you on? check our record with memo missing from the lineup. the whole efficiency of the jazz offence runs through the fact that memo takes a big guy out with him in the half-court set.

stevebozell · Post #12 » by **stevebozell** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 6:43 pm

de2nd wrote:?? No. He's way inconsistent.

But you wouldnt include him in a deal for a defensive C? I actually disagree with you here, I think he IS back(he was hurt before), but I think his defense was never good and will again be a liability down the stretch and in the playoffs.

de2nd · Post #13 » by **de2nd** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:15 pm

stevebozell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

But you wouldnt include him in a deal for a defensive C? I actually disagree with you here, I think he IS back(he was hurt before), but I think his defense was never good and will again be a liability down the stretch and in the playoffs.

Jesus Christ STOP WITH THE INSULTS. You have been warned about this plenty. -- loserX. Use your head!

First off Foster isn't a defensive center. Would he be an upgrade over Memo defensively? Yeah. Would he solve our problem signifigantly? I doubt that. When Memo is on his game, he brings so much to the table and brings way more than Foster would. The question was posed "is he back" he's had a nice string of good games in a row now. Which is positive. But will he have one bad game that will be followed by a long sretch of consecutive others as has been the cast the past couple seasons? That remains to be seen. Our defensive issues are there, and they aren't going to be solved. Boozer is just sad awful if not worse. Why dont we just trade Booz for Foster?

stevebozell · Post #14 » by **stevebozell** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:27 pm

de2nd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Jesus Christ bozo.

Just like a man who cant back up his argument. What class! :thumbsup:

de2nd · Post #15 » by **de2nd** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:33 pm

stevebozell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Just like a man who cant back up his argument. What class!

I just did back it up. Now try countering.

-Foster isnt a defensive big
- He wouldnt give us an overall productivity that Memo does (even despite his defensive weaknesses)

and Memo has been inconsistent over the past couple seasons. Very streaky this year as well. I will accept his injury had alot to do with that. With that said, I take an inconsistent Memo over Foster any day of the week just because of the potential that is there with Memo when he's on his game. I'm not willing to call Memo back yet, because I'd like to see what he does after the All-Star break. Anybody care to remember what he did after the All-Star break last year? I do. He disappeared.

stevebozell · Post #16 » by **stevebozell** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:37 pm

de2nd wrote:Foster isnt a defensive big

You call THIS backing it up? WTF is he, an offensive juggernaut?!?! :rofl: Nice one. Oh well, you can always go back to the name calling!

Malone Strong · Post #17 » by **Malone Strong** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:23 pm

de2nd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Jesus Christ STOP WITH THE INSULTS. You have been warned about this plenty. -- loserX. Use your head!

First off Foster isn't a defensive center. Would he be an upgrade over Memo defensively? Yeah. Would he solve our problem signifigantly? I doubt that. When Memo is on his game, he brings so much to the table and brings way more than Foster would. The question was posed "is he back" he's had a nice string of good games in a row now. Which is positive. But will he have one bad game that will be followed by a long sretch of consecutive others as has been the cast the past couple seasons? That remains to be seen. Our defensive issues are there, and they aren't going to be solved. Boozer is just sad awful if not worse. Why dont we just trade Booz for Foster?

Its no use arguing SB's points, I'm not sure if he likes to play Devil's Advocate or if he simply does not understand the basics of basketball (I am inclined to believe it is the latter), but its best to argue the points of those who understand the game...

That being said, I agree with you de2. Trading Memo for Foster is Isiah-esque......

troy · Post #18 » by **troy** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:09 pm

karizma87 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what kind of crack are you on? check our record with memo missing from the lineup. the whole efficiency of the jazz offence runs through the fact that memo takes a big guy out with him in the half-court set.

Yeah right... that's why he has the second worst off court / on court statistics of the team (Harpring is last) ...

Oh wait , i've got better :
Last year he was dead last in this statistics.

That's all you need to know.

sodapop · Post #19 » by **sodapop** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:10 am

troy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah right... that's why he has the second worst off court / on court statistics of the team (Harpring is last) ...

Oh wait , i've got better :
Last year he was dead last in this statistics.

That's all you need to know.

In the 5 man floor unit top 10 Memo was in the 1,4,5,6,7,10 combinations.
He has started the year off slow, maybe due to his play during the off season.

karizma87 · Post #20 » by **karizma87** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:58 am

troy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah right... that's why he has the second worst off court / on court statistics of the team (Harpring is last) ...

Oh wait , i've got better :
Last year he was dead last in this statistics.

That's all you need to know.

yea cus that's a really important stat, more important than wins even. it clearly shows how much toughness harpring brings, too apparently.