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Thoughts on Morris Almond

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:19 am
by ACGB
Does he have a future with this team from what you have seen?

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:24 am
by carrottop12
Yes, two 50 point games and apparently he is improving. Jazz just have a log jam right now, when CJ leaves this off season Mo will take over his position.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:25 am
by de2nd
Yes he does. Almond can flat out score the ball. 3point, midrange, getting to the FT line. He's a scorer. The real test is if he can add to the rest of his overall game and see how he improves over the offseason and coming back next year. Deron did it. Ronnie did it.

The Jazz have a lot of SG's, but you never know what could happen. Harpring could call it quits, Sloan could slot Brewer more at SF, Jazz could part ways with CJ. You never know. If Almond can improve the other dimensions of his game though and come back next year a better player and angrier, then he'll stick.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:27 am
by Neon Black
I don't know, I tend to think the Jazz might keep CJ over Almond. CJ's game has improved a ton this year, and he can play the 3 when Harpring is gone while keeping Brewer at the 2. Almond could be good trade bait...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:21 am
by LjJazzman
ele.ven wrote:I don't know, I tend to think the Jazz might keep CJ over Almond. CJ's game has improved a ton this year, and he can play the 3 when Harpring is gone while keeping Brewer at the 2. Almond could be good trade bait...


They wont keep him OVER Morris, they might trade him tho. I'm not a big fan of Morris, and havent heard good things from the coaches about him. He seems like way to much of just a one dimensional chucker to me.

Also, I don't think CJ is gone after this yar.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:48 am
by Duiz
No offense but only an idiot thinks that CJ is gone after this year. CJ is still 2 years younger than Almond, and has x2 NBA experience, slightly taller, more athletic, can block shots, get steals, penetrate and dunk... And most importantly, behind Williams and Kirilenko he is considered the best ball handler.

Almond is better shooter, but seems also too much one dimensional, and our flaw on SG has always been the defense. Sloan is rewarding Brewer for his defense, and Korver has shown how mediocre he is. After a couple half century outings my Morris, Sloan complained that to him is not very meaningful cause he hasn't worked much, at least during that stretch, in lateral quickness and more ball handling.

Almond is a project, and CJ might not be necessarily in a future the SG, but I see him as dethroning Matt Harpring. He is 9 years younger than Matt, and has far more upside, and Matt's knees have decreased his play and Matt has become too dependent on his jumpshoot.

Almond could be a good trade bait I must agree.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:00 pm
by Racer X
I mosdef dont think that CJ is gone after this year unless some team is ready to throw a significant amount of money at him this offseason. I think that the Jazz love CJ and think that he is going to be REALLY good at some point. Remember, CJ is still only 21. He has also gotten a lot better. If I were the Jazz I would tell CJ to be patient. Harpring doesnt have much left in the tank. I also think that Jazz have put way too much into CJ to let him just walk away.

I would be okay packaging Almond and maybe this years draft pick to try and get a defensive big man.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:19 pm
by carrottop12
My theory on CJ is as follows.

1. He didn't play in the RMR, and Sloan doesn't give up grudges that easily. There is a reason he still doesn't play when Brewer and Korver struggle.

2. He has shown when he gets real time he can play the game at a high level, and being young, and being athletic like he is there is definitely going to be interest in him this off season, and thinking he could get the MLE is anything but out of the question. Teams get desperate in the off season and when a young athletic scorer is available, they will over spend to get him. With the Jazz not looking to spend much any time soon, they could easily let CJ walk and realize they still have Brewer and Korver in front of him, with Almond bringing up the rear.

3. CJ is going to want to play more, he has been in the league for 3 years now, it's his time to play, but with the previously mentioned players still ahead of him, I don't see him wanting to stay in Utah.

4. Morris Almond has been terrific in the D-League, and from what I have heard in the coaches interviews his game is coming along quite nicely. He's a smart player, doesn't ever settle for the jump shot, has become a good rebounder and looks to be improving.

5. Mo is already under contract for the next 3 years, why let him fester with out seeing him play, the Jazz were very excited when they got him, I can't imagine they have given up on him this quickly.

I don't see CJ in a Jazz uniform next season, he is going to get payed a lot more then the Jazz are willing to offer, and with Deron and Paul needing new contracts soon, that 3-5 mill will be spent elsewhere far more effectively.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:22 pm
by hoops4life
I always thought that Brewer was the better ball handler between him and CJ.

I don't see alot of room for him on the team.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:28 pm
by carrottop12
And as far as having CJ replace Matty as the back up SF, that's wishful thinking at best IMO.

CJ isn't strong enough to be a legit SF in this league, nor is he all that tall.

We are more likely to see Korver back up AK because neither Almond or CJ can guard the bigger SF's in the league.

And by the way Duiz, don't ever call me an idiot again, where in any of your previous posts have you ever earned the right to call anyone an idiot. And another thing, Almond is listed as being both the same height and weighing more then CJ, don't don't say there size is different then it is.

CJ is going to want to play and his minutes just aren't here in Utah.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:27 pm
by The Sheik
I think people need to look at the bigger picture. I think if someone doesn't over pay for CJ he will be back here. The reason being is because there is no way we can keep AK. With AK being traded by the next off season and Matt 2 yrs from retirement, suddenly our over load pays off. Now you have Brewer and Korver at the 3 and Almond and CJ at the 2, with Millsap also filling in at the 3 and playing the 6th man/tough guy role.

The Jazz are investing a lot in these young guys, because probably our only chance of landing a legit big man is going to be through the draft or Fess.

The Jazz need to decide who they want to build the team of the future around and start freeing up cap and cutting the fat.

I personally think Almond and Miles are in the cards for the future, you dont spend the time developing someone for 3 yrs and then let them go. CJ needs to add about 15 lbs of muscle though. I can see a no name big like Jackie Butler getting the full MLE, but I cant see anyone giving CJ that. If we can get him for around 2-3 mil we will be in good shape.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:38 pm
by el loco
ele.ven wrote:I don't know, I tend to think the Jazz might keep CJ over Almond. CJ's game has improved a ton this year, and he can play the 3 when Harpring is gone while keeping Brewer at the 2. Almond could be good trade bait...


Or Korver could become the trade bait and the Jazz can continue to groom Almond to take his spot in the rotation. He has plenty of options and a his contract is managable, he will stick for a few seasons.

What position do you think the Jazz need to try and target with your next draft?

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:46 pm
by The Sheik
el loco wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Or Korver could become the trade bait and the Jazz can continue to groom Almond to take his spot in the rotation. He has plenty of options and a his contract is managable, he will stick for a few seasons.

What position do you think the Jazz need to try and target with your next draft?


Why would we trade Korver after we acquired him? Almond doest have the consistency in range that Korver does. If anything it will be a decision between Almond or CJ or we dump Kirilenko. Besides that why would we put Korver back on the market?

We will target a PG or C.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:59 pm
by carrottop12
IMO it Jazz target a PG or legit SF with some size and energy.

If a good PG falls then take him, maybe someone like Lester Hudson then I wouldn't think it is out of the question to take him. But with Matty aging the Jazz need another tough guy and someone like Mbah a Moute from UCLA or even a flier on Patrick Ewing Jr. He's an athletic freak and brings a ton of energy, watch his stock sky rocket in the tourney this year.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:00 pm
by JDubJazz
I think Almond is trade bait. He's not going to beatout Brewer or Korver, and we desperately need to get some more size in the post.

CJ may or may not re-up with the Jazz, but my hunch is he looks elsewhere for more consistent minutes. Actually, I could see him going to San Antonio as a replacement for an aging Michael Finley.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:02 pm
by el loco
The Sheik wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Why would we trade Korver after we acquired him? Almond doest have the consistency in range that Korver does. If anything it will be a decision between Almond or CJ or we dump Kirilenko. Besides that why would we put Korver back on the market?

We will target a PG or C.


Not at the end of the season, more towards the end of next season, but you are right the Jazz probably won't move him at all. He will probably finish out his career in a Jazz uniform similar to the way Harp is/has. I was just pointing out that it is another option that is available down the road, and there is nothing wrong with having options.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:06 pm
by carrottop12
As for CJ's contract, he shoots the three ball with great success, is a solid passer and has a good attitude. He's also young and has good upside, there are a ton of teams this off season that are going to be targeting a player like that, and the truth his he will get an offer way higher then he is worth. It's just how the game works these days. If Rashard Lewis got his 18+, why is it so unrealistic for CJ to get 3-5 mil. And honestly, would you rather that money go to CJ or to Paul?

Secondly, if the Jazz resign CJ, and decided to get rid of Almonds contract that is a big gamble I think. The Jazz are paying Almond less then 3 mill for the next 4 years, that is a bargain for a scorer like him, what has Miles done that makes him so necessary to hold on to?

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:59 pm
by The Sheik
JDubJazz wrote: Actually, I could see him going to San Antonio as a replacement for an aging Michael Finley.


haha he would play less there then he would here.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:02 pm
by The Sheik
Batronuj wrote:As for CJ's contract, he shoots the three ball with great success, is a solid passer and has a good attitude. He's also young and has good upside, there are a ton of teams this off season that are going to be targeting a player like that, and the truth his he will get an offer way higher then he is worth. It's just how the game works these days. If Rashard Lewis got his 18+, why is it so unrealistic for CJ to get 3-5 mil. And honestly, would you rather that money go to CJ or to Paul?

Secondly, if the Jazz resign CJ, and decided to get rid of Almonds contract that is a big gamble I think. The Jazz are paying Almond less then 3 mill for the next 4 years, that is a bargain for a scorer like him, what has Miles done that makes him so necessary to hold on to?


I dont think it would be out of the question to keep both, if for some reason the FO thinks we need to keep AK then we will lose CJ, Paul and perhaps even Brewer.

If CJ signed for 4yrs at 12 mil, I wouldnt mind him coming back. I think it all depends on what we do with AK.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:06 pm
by bleu
Well, I'm really excited for this off-season. I think that CJ is gonna be gone and the Jazz are obviously gonna be looking for a backup and I think that its definantly gonna be Mo. Mo has such a beautiful shot and he is a flat out good player.
Heres what I think will happen: CJ won't play the Rocky Mountain Review (RMR) and Jerry's just gonna say forget it and maybe offer him a minimum contract, and CJ's gonna keep his eye on it until he either gets an offer from another NBA team where you're never gonna hear about him again or possibly do what Dee did and go over to Europe. I think he's a good player and he could do well in Europe so thats what I'm hoping for. After that we're gonna be looking for a backup SG again and obviously the thought of Morris Almond is gonna come up. I think that Mo will go out to the RMR and absoutley tear things up scoring left and right (because IMO the RMR is like equal or less to the D-League) and he's gonna convince Jerry to bring him up. He's gonna come up the the Jazz and not get too much playing time at least his first season, but I could seriously see him eventually starting for us. Probably not exact, but I think thats basically how it will go.