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Post#1 » by TaylorJ » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:22 am

I'm starting this thread to see how people view everybody on the team. MY question is how would you rank the Jazz players in terms of their importance in WINNING games for the next 3 years. In other words, which players could we least afford to lose? Here's my shot at the rankings

1) D-Will - no need for explanation here
2) Carlos Boozer - our post presence, the man who opens the floor up for all of our shooters, could obviously improve on the defensive end (although I think a lot of his problems come from the fact that he doesn't have great reactive speed, on offense that doesn't play as big of a role as it does on defense)
3) Memo - The perfect counterpunch to Booze's inside presence, when he's lighting it up from the outside, we're tough to beat
4) Brewer - I for one have been very impressed with his improved play this year, I love his endless cuts that result in 3-5 dunks a game
5) Milsap - our one post man who can bring anything from the bench, he is a solid player for our team
6) AK - can be fantastic when everything falls right, can be horrible when things don't, too inconsistent for me, but an amazing talent who would probably double his #s in the right system
7) Kyle Korver - gives us the ability to beat a zone. Also very important as a end of game clutch free throw shooter
8) Harp - works his butt off, but he's getting older and slower by the minute
9) Ronnie Price - when his game is on, he can be a great spark plug
10) CJ Miles - deserves more minutes but hard to come by
11) Fes - ranked here based on potential alone
12) Almond - same as above
13) Collins - we all know why he's here
14) Jason Hart - Jason who? Is he still on the team?
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Post#2 » by Pai Gow » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:28 am

Deron
Memo
AK
Boozer
Korver
Brewer
Millsap
Price
Harp
CJ
Collins
Fes
Almond

The reason I put Memo and AK higher than Booz is because whenever those 2 guys (or at least 1 of them) plays well we usually win. Booz is usually consistent for us, so I don't really worry about him, unlike Memo and AK. Point in case, if Memo and Andrei show up vs. San Antonio in the WCF, we're the champs right now.
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Post#3 » by d-will8 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:17 am

AKsWill wrote:Deron
Memo
AK
Boozer
Korver
Brewer
Millsap
Price
Harp
CJ
Collins
Fes
Almond

The reason I put Memo and AK higher than Booz is because whenever those 2 guys (or at least 1 of them) plays well we usually win. Booz is usually consistent for us, so I don't really worry about him, unlike Memo and AK. Point in case, if Memo and Andrei show up vs. San Antonio in the WCF, we're the champs right now.

1. Deron
2. Booz
3. Memo
4. AK
5. Brewer
6. Korver
7. Millsap
8. Harpring
9. Price
10. Miles
11. Collins
12. Hart
13. Fez
14. Almond

I know what you're saying, but the fact that Memo and AK are inconsistent doesn't mean they're more important than Boozer, it just means that they're x-factors while he's a given.
That being said, you could argue that they are indeed more important in the sense that they are more irreplacable in that they bring things to the table that nobody else on the team can duplicate (AK's playmaking ability and defensive ability, Memo's ability to draw opposing big men away from the basket), while Millsap can rebound as well as Boozer, can make up for some, though certainly not all, of his low post scoring and does other things better. For this reason, I sometimes think that we can afford an injury to Boozer more than we can afford one to AK or Memo. We definitely struggled more this season when Memo was out than we have the last two season's when Boozer's been out, but there were other factors involved in our struggles. Still, Boozer is usually a bigger factor in games than either and without him, Deron would be the only player on the team with the ability to consistently create his own shot.
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Post#4 » by MeestR » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:31 am

d-will8 wrote:1. Deron
2. Booz
3. Memo
4. AK
5. Brewer
6. Korver
7. Millsap
8. Harpring
9. Price
10. Miles
11. Collins
12. Hart
13. Fez
14. Almond


i agree with this list cept i would swap fez and hart. i believe fez's player position is difficult to replace whereas, players like hart are a dime a dozen. but neither contribute much to the team.
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Post#5 » by d-will8 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:42 am

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i agree with this list cept i would swap fez and hart. i believe fez's player position is difficult to replace whereas, players like hart are a dime a dozen. but neither contribute much to the team.

Yeah, you're probably right. I just listed Hart first because of the fact that he's on the active roster.
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Post#6 » by Jefff » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:05 am

1. Deron
2. Booz
3. AK
4. Memo
5. KK
6. Brewer
7. Millsap
8. Harpring
9. Price
10. Miles
11. Collins
12. Hart
13. Fez
14. Almond
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Post#7 » by LjJazzman » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 am

I'm with AKsWill 100%
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Post#8 » by Racer X » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:24 am

Deron
Memo
Boozer
Korver
AK
Brewer
Millsap
Harpring
Price
Miles
Collins
Hart
Fess
Almond
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Post#9 » by Neon Black » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:46 am

Dwill
Boozer (if he ups his defense)
Okur
Brewer
Korver
Millsap
AK
Price
Miles
Fes
Harpring
Collins
Almond
Hart


Ak is so low because he is sketchy and bi-polar, and because the Jazz have proven they can win without him.

Miles edges Harpring because of his incredible ceiling and long future in the league. Harpring is almost done; Miles is more valuable as he and Korver will work to fill up the back up 2 and 3 spots.

Fesenko tops four other players because if he continues to develop as predicted, he will take over that ever-fleeting spot of defensive center... who also has good offensive potential. As quoted from ESPN.com...

"Oden and Fesenko will be a match-up to watch for years to come".
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Post#10 » by schneiderjazz » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:50 am

ele.ven wrote:Dwill
Boozer (if he ups his defense)
Okur
Brewer
Korver
Millsap
AK
Price
Miles
Fes
Harpring
Collins
Almond
Hart


Ak is so low because he is sketchy and bi-polar, and because the Jazz have proven they can win without him.

Miles edges Harpring because of his incredible ceiling and long future in the league. Harpring is almost done; Miles is more valuable as he and Korver will work to fill up the back up 2 and 3 spots.

Fesenko tops four other players because if he continues to develop as predicted, he will take over that ever-fleeting spot of defensive center... who also has good offensive potential. As quoted from ESPN.com...

"Oden and Fesenko will be a match-up to watch for years to come".


Jazz have proven they can win without Boozer too. However they seem to really struggle when Memo struggles and it seems it's impossible for them to win without Deron.
My list would look a lot like AKswill list, except I'd say AK = Booz and KK = Brew.
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Post#11 » by Nate505 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:35 am

1. Deron
2. Boozer
3. Memo
4. Millsap (I truly believe he is a key figure to having a great bench)
5. Brewer
6. AK
7. Korver
8. Fez
9. CJ
10. Price
11. Almond
12. Harp (I'm not sure what he'll be like in 2-3 years)
13. Collins (meh, he can be a 12th man for life for all I care. Like the guy personally though)
14. Hart (can't wait till he's gone. He's terrible everywhere except the defensive end)
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Post#12 » by Jazzia » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:07 am

1. Deron
2. Memo
3. Boozer
4. Brewer
5. Millsap
6. Korver
7. Ak
8. Harpring
9. Price
10. Collins
11. CJ
12. Hart
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Post#13 » by @ndrew » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:53 am

AKsWill for the P.
May be I can change AK and Okur, but still this is the best list.
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Post#14 » by CAE15 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:02 pm

how can some ppl have AK so low? No way AK isn't one of our 5 most important players. He's the only defense we have, not saying much because we are damn bad defensively.
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Post#15 » by JDubJazz » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:40 pm

For me I'd put it like this:

1. Deron aproaching all-NBA status
2. AK47 - If Andrei plays well, we win
3. Carlos Boozer's defense - he always gets his points, but if he tries on the defensive end, the Jazz are almost unbeatable.
4 & 4a. Okur and Korver. - when these guys are hitting shots, they open up the floor for everyone, especially each other.
6. Brewer - He can have the quietest 18 points of anyone in the league.
7. Ronnie Price - If he can keep the Jazz afloat for his 5-8 minutes a game he's doing his job. He's still too much of a chucker and doesn't look to involve his teammates enough.
8. Harpring. His offnse off the bench can keep us in games when the starters struggle, but his turnovers and free throws late in games cost us dearly.
9. Millsap - needs to work on consistency, but like Harpring, he provides that spark when the starters aren't getting it done.
10. CJ. I never know what to expect from him, but he never knows what to expect from Sloan, so who can blame him. I assume he'll sign elsewhere next year.
11-14. Everyone else makes such little impact that ranking them is irrelevant.
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Post#16 » by Duiz » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:51 pm

1. Deron Williams - No assembly required, batteries are included
2. Andrei Kirilenko - When he is on and playing good, he swaps with Williams for the catalyst. If he ran the offense a little bit more through him, it would be a nightly 120-130 outings.
3. Mehmet Okur - If it weren't for him, the Jazz could not be in the status they are. He misses with injury, and the Jazz tank december. They need him to space the floor.
4. Carlos Boozer - I don't think we have lost this year on the 6-10 games he has missed. However, once he is on, it means double teams, and should average a nightly double-double. Poor defense almost makes him expendable.
5. Paul Millsap - He keeps getting no love, but when the pillar of our front court is missing, and you need to inject some defense and hustle Millsap is the man.
6. Ronnie Brewer - Key defender for the armada of offensive SGs. Also his constant movement and early offense ignites the well-oiled machine
7. Kyle Korve - KK delivers nightly shanks with those 3 pointers as well as reliable free throws at the end of the game. If he doesn't wimp out defensively, he can be a very solid starter calliber player.
8. Ronnie Price - We are like 35-9 or something of that since Ronnie Price became the backup. If he can't flow the offense averagely or make those pull up Js, the bench time becomes worthless and they one of the greatest strengths of the jazz.
9. Matt Harpring - Tough nosed defender, but slowpoke against quicker SFs. Will knock down some shots, but what makes him special is the ability to know out some people. He frustrates the other team, and that can change momentum.

10. Calvin Miles - When he comes in, he provides instant offense and has grown to be an athletic defender. If injuries are to come through from the 2-4 position, he can come in and provide valuable starting or backup minutes.
11. Jarron Collins - There will be mistmatches and foul trouble at times or sometimes just a rest. Collins is a solid defender who knows how to bother shots and take a charge. Duncan, here he comes.
12.Jason Hart - It is almost proven that when he is on the bench, and watching the game from a TV, the Utah Jazz become better. We might have to get him some popcorn an couch so that the Jazz keep winning games.
13.Kyrylo Fesenko - He is just a Ukrainian pimp, a poor-man's Araujo in bench cheering.
14. Morris Almond - Players know that if they starting sucking badly, Mo is ready to take over. Good motivation.
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Post#17 » by troy » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:25 pm

This is my ranking :

1/ Deron
2/ Boozer
3/ Okur
4/ Korver
5/ Millsap
6/ Kirilenko
7/ Brewer
8/ Harpring
9/ Price

10/ CJ Miles
11/ Collins
12/ Fesenko
13/ Hart
14/ Almond
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Post#18 » by troy » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:30 pm

Let me make another post , this time i will rank every players regarding their impact LONG TERM WISE.

1/ Deron Williams
The Jazz mvp. Unbelievable leader.

2/ Carlos Boozer
The second part of the famous pick and roll. One of the best rebounders in the league. One of the most reliable player in the league. What interests me the most is his big games in 2007 Playoffs . Remember the 41 pts in game 2 of the Rockets series. The huge game 7 with more than 30 pts and all those clutch offensive rebounds , etc etc...
Defense is a big issue i know all that. But this guy has proven to be a great offensive option and he shows up for the big game !

3/ Kyrylo Fesenko
Yes , in my opinion Big Fess is the third most important player in the Jazz future. I believe he is the piece we lack right now to be a true contender : an interior presence defensively.
The Jazz will never win the title with Memeth Okur next to Boozer. This duo is way too soft defensively with no shotblocking presence at all.
Fesenko may be the player that will keep the opponents from getting layup all day against us.
With Deron and Boozer , our offense is set. Next come Fesenko who may be the defensive anchor every contender needs to have (like Duncan , Rasheed Wallace , Garnett , Chandler , ... )
For this reason i'd like to have a lot more news about Fesenko. The only news i've got about him comes from David Thorpe's chats and the NBDL boxscores. By the way ele.ven i'd like to know where you saw the ESPN's quote you've written in a previous post , because it's extremely intriguing.

4/ Kyle Korver

The dynamic pick and roll duo + the defensive anchor, then comes Kyle Korver , the deadly outside shooter.
First of all let me say that Korver is really underrated defensively. So far he is really better than Brewer and you could also argue that he is also a better defender than AK. Unlike Kirilenko he is a very clever team defender .
And then offensively , Korver is way more than your typical role player. He has already knocked down a lot of important shots for this team. He is mister 4th quarter. Furthermore , unlike Okur , Brewer or Kirilenko , he doesn't score any garbage baskets , all his points are important one.
Is it a surprise if in 3 of our last 4 games he didn't score a single point (!!) ? With an average Korver (10points per game) would we have lost those games ??
Korver's impact is underrated right now and his impact should be big in our future too.

5/ CJ Miles
We all know that CJ miles upside is huge. I think that he can take AK's starting role in the next few years. I hope he will do it.
Miles will never be the passer AK is right now , he will also never has his shotblocking and rebounding presence. On the other hand he can become better in every other aspects of the game : outside shooting , transition game , overall scoring ability , finishing inside , man to man defense , intensity , ...
CJ Miles has all the tools to become an impact wing man.

6/ Paul Millsap
Our bench is very important in our team success. We have one of the best benches in the league. Millsap plays a huge role in that. He is our bench's MVP. If our second unit is so effective it is because of this guy first and foremost (Korver plays more with the starting unit).
If we lose Millsap , we lose our edge regarding bench play.

6/ Ronnie Brewer
If Korver is our closer at the 2 guard position , Brewer still plays 24 minutes a game. I'm not a huge fan of Ronnie B , because i don't think he shows the defensive intensity a defensive stopper should have. Still he is an interesting player and if he continues to improve he may become a real impact player for this team. So far he is not , his defense needs a lot of improvement , and his offense is composed of garbage points most of the time. Name one decisive basket Brewer has got all year long...

7/ Memeth Okur
In my ideal future Jazz team , Memo can't be anything more than a good bench player. His bad defense makes him a bad match with Carlos Boozer ,so he would have to comes off the bench . Even then i do not think he could have a better impact than Paul Millsap , because Paul is a better two way player.
I know some people believes Boozer should be the one to go , because every time Memo misses a game we seems to struggle and when Boozer misses a game we do not seem to miss anything. There is a simple explanation to that : behind Boozer there is arguably the best PF backup of the league today , Paul Millsap. ON he other hand when Okur gets injured , it's Jarron Collins who gets to play.

8/ Andrei Kirilenko
In my ideal team , there is not enough minutes for Kirilenko. Korver , Miles and Brewer logs all the minutes at the 2 and 3 positions.
I really think those players can have a better impact than AK in the future.
Kirilenko has surprised me with his improved jumpshooting this year. Unfortunately he still seems out of place from time to time.
Kirilenko is still a great player , if he could be used at the 4 position maybe we would see his all star self again. But with Millsap and Boozer on the roster this is not possible. And as an SF his defense is not that great. And it won't get any better as he loses athleticism the older he gets.
Clearly with his current contract and guys like CJ Miles behind him i can't see him still wearing the jazz uniform two years from now.


9/ Ronnie Price
Even if our starting PG is one of the best in the business , we still need a good back up PG. I hope Price keeps improving because he is extremely streaky right now (offensively AND defensively , lately he is pretty bad defensively while he used to play great defense at the beginning of his tenure)


Do not forget that this post is talking about long term impact. Otherwise this post doesn't make any sense. thanks.
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Post#19 » by bleu » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:34 pm

1. Deron
2. Boozer
3. Memo
4. AK
5. Brewer
6. Korver
7. Harpring
8. Millsap
9. Price
10. CJ
11. Collins
12. Hart
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Post#20 » by karizma87 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:59 am

easy,

deron - our only playmaker
memo - guards big men well in the post, sets up our whole offence with his spacing
booze - no D, but capable of carrying the team offensively
NOTE: you can make a case for boozer and memo, but you have to consider our pathetic record with memo out of the line-up
millsap + harpring - BENCH! if these guys didn't bring it we'd have no depth
korver - vital shooting, can put points in a hurry
brewer - the thief and the guy that starts it up for us
ak - he's NOT THE OLD AK anymore, if he was, he'd be ranked 4th, but still his talents are important to the team when he plays well
the rest - it's a plus if they can overachieve in their minute playing times

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