Would this year's Jazz beat the 1997-1998 Jazz in a seven game series? Personally, I think that they would. Reasons:
1. Starting Lineups
PG: Deron Williams vs. John Stockton
Advantage:
I think that I would give it to Deron Williams. He is stronger, faster, and a better scorer. I think that they about equal on assist-making ability. Williams is the better defender. Both are amazing leaders.
SG: Ronnie Brewer vs. Jeff Hornacek
Advantage:
I think that this one is a draw. Hornacek was by far the better shooter, but Brewer is by far the better defender. Brewer definitely trumps Hornacek in athletic ability. Hornacek was definitely more experienced and able to come through in clutch situations.
SF: Andrei Kirilenko vs. Bryon Russell
Advantage: Kirilenko by far. He is a much better defender that Russell ever was. With Kirilenko's improved outside shooting, this one is not even close.
PF: Carlos Boozer vs. Karl Malone
Advantage:
Karl Malone. It is not even really a question. Especially how Boozer has been playing lately. Of course, I give him the benefit of the doubt. That being said, Boozer is most definitely the better of the two when it comes to rebounding. Malone was the better defender. Boozer definitely has a chance to end up as being as good if not better that Malone, but he has a very long way to go.
C: Mehmet Okur vs. Greg Ostertag
Advantage:
This is the most obvious of the group. It is definitely Okur. While Ostertag was an above average defender, Okur is definitely the better player. It is as simple as that.
2. Bench
Advantage:
This year's Jazz. Again, it is not even really a question.
3. Coaching
Advantage:
It is a push. The coach is the same. Although I would probably give it to the current Jerry Sloan. He is more experienced now and understands his past mistakes.
In conclusion, I just simply feel that this year's Jazz is exceptionally more talented, but far less experienced as the 1997-1998 Jazz. Experience is vital in the playoffs. But not that vital.
My prediction:
Personally, I think that this year's Jazz would struggle early in the series against the 1997-1998 Jazz, but would eventually OVERCOME THEM TO WIN THE SERIES IN 6 GAMES. Mark it down.
Greg Foster got me really thinking...
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Greg Foster got me really thinking...
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That team won 64 games while taking one of the best teams of all time to an extremely hard fought 6 games (that could have been a win in 7 had the correct call been made vs MJ on the final play).....I'm pretty sure that trumps 54 wins, a moderately difficult series against a hobbled but fiesty Houston team without much talent to boast of and a couple of mild beat downs by a very-good-but-not-great Laker team in the 2nd round.
Jazz are a better team than many give them credit for, they are a better team than their 54 wins suggest. But they couldn't touch that team, and your analysis is even more off than your premise. That is all.
Jazz are a better team than many give them credit for, they are a better team than their 54 wins suggest. But they couldn't touch that team, and your analysis is even more off than your premise. That is all.
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erudite23 wrote:That team won 64 games while taking one of the best teams of all time to an extremely hard fought 6 games (that could have been a win in 7 had the correct call been made vs MJ on the final play).....I'm pretty sure that trumps 54 wins, a moderately difficult series against a hobbled but fiesty Houston team without much talent to boast of and a couple of mild beat downs by a very-good-but-not-great Laker team in the 2nd round.
Jazz are a better team than many give them credit for, they are a better team than their 54 wins suggest. But they couldn't touch that team, and your analysis is even more off than your premise. That is all.
I don't know about that. What happens if the Jazz win the championship this year and accomplish something that none of the Stockton to Malone Jazz ever did (with all of their accolades)? How can you say that a team that wins an NBA title is not good enough to beat one that was not even good enough to win the title in their given year? I think that the Jazz are MUCH better that their 54 wins would suggest. This season's western conference may have been the best in the history of the league and a 54 win team may have been a 60+win team in a "normal" year.
P.S.:
Not to correct you or anything, but the 1997-1998 Jazz went 62-20, not 64-18. That was the 1996-1997 Jazz.
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Man this is a stupid post! You really think this years team would beat the 2nd best Jazz team in the history of the organization? GTFOOH!
The 1997-98 Jazz record 62-20 and they only lost 3 games in the playoff before they matched up with the Bulls in the finals. Malone and Stockton would eat up Deron and Booz! Booz is an all star I love the way he plays but Malone is one of the greatest players EVER! Oh yeah so was his counterpart Mr. John Stockton. In 97-98 the Jazz Gods were still playing at a extremely high level. Stockton was only playing part time but he still was as efficient as he ever was. Sure Deron would be quicker but John F'ing Stockton knew how to play the damn game. John wouldnt go Jordan Farmar and let Deron just blow past him like your paster or bishop does to you in you Mo-mo church b-ball game.
Karl Malone would make Boozer look silly with Carlos's poor defense. I can see it now... Karl using his elbows to hook Carlos for an easy layup, or watching Booz look flat footed as Karl is sinking that fade away jumper. Also Carlos might only get 5-6 rebounds in a game if he had to ATTEMPT (key word) to box out Karl's big a$$!
So yeah on paper the 97-98's would have a mis match on Brewer who without a question is a much better athlete then Horney, but I'll take Horney on the offensive end over Ronnie any day of the week. As for AK vs B-Russ I actually think this would have been a good match up. Russell was a better outside shooter for the 97-98's but AK would be a tough assignment for the somewhat defensively sound Russell. Then there is Tag vs. Okur. Sure Memo can shoot and he's a good offensive player, but Memo struggles with guys bigger then he is. I think Memo would get his on the offensive side of the ball but if he had to guard Karl on D? I could see Karl working him all day long. At the end of the day Malone and Stockton are just to much for these young kids. In addition, the Malone and Stockton Jazz were MUCH more effective at running Jerry's offense the the Deron and Boozer Jazz.
Other things to think about are what NBA rules would they be playing with? The Jazz of today are a good team for the NBA of today. The Jazz team of 97-98 were good for the NBA of 97-98. Also if you really want to see a butt whoopin, match up the 96/97 Jazz with this years team. That year was likely Johns last real great year playing 35 minutes per game vs 29mpg in 97-98. John started losing a step in the 97-98 season thats for sure.
My quick take:
Deron vs Stock
Deron has a quick step and a good b-ball IQ. He handles the ball well but not like Stockton did.
Stockton has one of the best on court IQs ever. His passing was better and so was his ball handling. Stockton is a gritty defender (that why he was vote the dirtiest player in the NBA).
Both teams have a great point guards but Advantage to the All time leader in assists and steals.
Brewer vs Horney.
Berwer is athletic but Jerry does not run plays for him. Ronnie has to create his touches.
Jeff was the 2nd scoring punch for the Jazz. They ran set plays for Jeff off screens allowing Jeff to get open. Ronnie would have to work on the defensive end of the game.
Advantage 97-98's (Jeff would have gotten his touches and still been able to play mediocre D against Ronnie who isnt in this years teams offensive plans.
AK vs B-Russ
Both are good defenders. Russell played a much larger offensive roll for the 97-98 team then AK does for the 07-08 team. I like what Andrei bring to the table as a total package so I say there is a minor advantage for this years team.
Booz vs Karl
I loves me a Carlos Boozer, but he's no Karl Malone! Enough said... advantage 97-98
Okur vs Tag
Tag is a better defender in the low post and would alter Boozers shots, but Memo would get his. Huge advantage 07-08's
The benches
Korver vs Shandon Anderson
Harpring vs Keefe
Price vs Eisley
Hart vs Vaughn
Collins vs Greg Foster
Millsap vs Big Dawg Carr
Almond vs Chris Morris
Arent these teams similar? Korver is a poor mans Horney, Brewers plays much like Shannon did. Harpring and Keefe are garbage men, Price and Eisley have similar results, Millsap is a young Antoine Carr is many ways, Foster is better then Collins and Morris at that point is more effective the a young Morris Almond. All that said I gotta call it a draw or maybe a slight advantage to the 97-98 team since they had been to the big dance the year before.
Go Jazz!
The 1997-98 Jazz record 62-20 and they only lost 3 games in the playoff before they matched up with the Bulls in the finals. Malone and Stockton would eat up Deron and Booz! Booz is an all star I love the way he plays but Malone is one of the greatest players EVER! Oh yeah so was his counterpart Mr. John Stockton. In 97-98 the Jazz Gods were still playing at a extremely high level. Stockton was only playing part time but he still was as efficient as he ever was. Sure Deron would be quicker but John F'ing Stockton knew how to play the damn game. John wouldnt go Jordan Farmar and let Deron just blow past him like your paster or bishop does to you in you Mo-mo church b-ball game.
Karl Malone would make Boozer look silly with Carlos's poor defense. I can see it now... Karl using his elbows to hook Carlos for an easy layup, or watching Booz look flat footed as Karl is sinking that fade away jumper. Also Carlos might only get 5-6 rebounds in a game if he had to ATTEMPT (key word) to box out Karl's big a$$!
So yeah on paper the 97-98's would have a mis match on Brewer who without a question is a much better athlete then Horney, but I'll take Horney on the offensive end over Ronnie any day of the week. As for AK vs B-Russ I actually think this would have been a good match up. Russell was a better outside shooter for the 97-98's but AK would be a tough assignment for the somewhat defensively sound Russell. Then there is Tag vs. Okur. Sure Memo can shoot and he's a good offensive player, but Memo struggles with guys bigger then he is. I think Memo would get his on the offensive side of the ball but if he had to guard Karl on D? I could see Karl working him all day long. At the end of the day Malone and Stockton are just to much for these young kids. In addition, the Malone and Stockton Jazz were MUCH more effective at running Jerry's offense the the Deron and Boozer Jazz.
Other things to think about are what NBA rules would they be playing with? The Jazz of today are a good team for the NBA of today. The Jazz team of 97-98 were good for the NBA of 97-98. Also if you really want to see a butt whoopin, match up the 96/97 Jazz with this years team. That year was likely Johns last real great year playing 35 minutes per game vs 29mpg in 97-98. John started losing a step in the 97-98 season thats for sure.
My quick take:
Deron vs Stock
Deron has a quick step and a good b-ball IQ. He handles the ball well but not like Stockton did.
Stockton has one of the best on court IQs ever. His passing was better and so was his ball handling. Stockton is a gritty defender (that why he was vote the dirtiest player in the NBA).
Both teams have a great point guards but Advantage to the All time leader in assists and steals.
Brewer vs Horney.
Berwer is athletic but Jerry does not run plays for him. Ronnie has to create his touches.
Jeff was the 2nd scoring punch for the Jazz. They ran set plays for Jeff off screens allowing Jeff to get open. Ronnie would have to work on the defensive end of the game.
Advantage 97-98's (Jeff would have gotten his touches and still been able to play mediocre D against Ronnie who isnt in this years teams offensive plans.
AK vs B-Russ
Both are good defenders. Russell played a much larger offensive roll for the 97-98 team then AK does for the 07-08 team. I like what Andrei bring to the table as a total package so I say there is a minor advantage for this years team.
Booz vs Karl
I loves me a Carlos Boozer, but he's no Karl Malone! Enough said... advantage 97-98
Okur vs Tag
Tag is a better defender in the low post and would alter Boozers shots, but Memo would get his. Huge advantage 07-08's
The benches
Korver vs Shandon Anderson
Harpring vs Keefe
Price vs Eisley
Hart vs Vaughn
Collins vs Greg Foster
Millsap vs Big Dawg Carr
Almond vs Chris Morris
Arent these teams similar? Korver is a poor mans Horney, Brewers plays much like Shannon did. Harpring and Keefe are garbage men, Price and Eisley have similar results, Millsap is a young Antoine Carr is many ways, Foster is better then Collins and Morris at that point is more effective the a young Morris Almond. All that said I gotta call it a draw or maybe a slight advantage to the 97-98 team since they had been to the big dance the year before.
Go Jazz!
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tdownwa wrote:Man this is a stupid post! You really think this years team would beat the 2nd best Jazz team in the history of the organization? GTFOOH!
The 1997-98 Jazz record 62-20 and the only lost 3 games in the playoff before they matched up with the Bulls in the finals. Malone and Stockton would eat up Deron and Booz! Booz is an all star I love the way he plays but Malone is one of the greatest players EVER! Oh yeah so was his counterpart Mr. John Stockton. In 97-98 the Jazz Gods were still playing at a extremely high level. Stockton was only playing part time but he still was as effective as he ever was. Sure Deron would be quicker but John F'ing Stockton knew how to play the damn game. John wouldnt go Jordan Farmar and let Deron just blow past him like your paster or bishop does to you in you Mo-mo church b-ball game.
Karl Malone would make Boozer look silly with Carlos's poor defense. I can see it now... Karl using his elbows to hook Carlos for an easy layup, or watching Booz look flat footed as Karl is sinking that fade away jumper. Also Carlos might only get 5-6 rebounds in a game if he had to ATTEMPT (key word) to box out Karl's big a$$!
So yeah on paper the 97-98's would have a mis match on Brewer who without a question is a much better athlete then Horney, but I'll take Horney on the offensive end over Ronnie any day of the week. As for AK vs B-Russ I actually think this would have been a good match up. Russell was a better outside shooter for the 97-98's but AK would be a tough assignment for the somewhat defensively sound Russell. Then there is Tag vs. Okur. Sure Memo can shoot and he's a good offensive player, but Memo struggles with guys bigger then he is. I think Memo would get his on the offensive side of the ball but if he had to guard Karl on D? I could see Karl working him all day long. At the end of the day Malone and Stockton are just to much for these young kids. In addition, the Malone and Stockton Jazz were MUCH more effective at running Jerry's offense the the Deron and Boozer Jazz.
Other things to think about are what NBA rules would they be playing with? The Jazz of today are a good team for the NBA of today. The Jazz team of 97-98 were good for the NBA of 97-98. Also if you really want to see a butt whoopin, match up the 96/97 Jazz with this years team. That year was likely Johns last real great year playing 35 minutes per game vs 29mpg in 97-98. John started losing a step in the 97-98 season thats for sure.
My quick take:
Deron vs Stock
Deron has a quick step and a good b-ball IQ. He handles the ball well but not like Stockton did.
Stockton has one of the best on court IQs ever. His passing was better and so was his ball handling. Stockton is a gritty defender (that why he was vote the dirtiest player in the NBA).
Both teams have a great point guards but Advantage to the All time leader in assists and steals.
Brewer vs Horney.
Berwer is athletic but Jerry does not run plays for him. Ronnie has to create his touches.
Jeff was the 2nd scoring punch for the Jazz. They ran set plays for Jeff off screens allowing Jeff to get open. Ronnie would have to work on the defensive end of the game.
Advantage 97-98's (Jeff would have gotten his touches and still been able to play mediocre D against Ronnie who isnt in this years teams offensive plans.
AK vs B-Russ
Both are good defenders. Russell played a much larger offensive roll for the 97-98 team then AK does for the 07-08 team. I like what Andrei bring to the table as a total package so I say there is a minor advantage for this years team.
Booz vs Karl
I loves me a Carlos Boozer, but he's no Karl Malone! Enough said... advantage 97-98
Okur vs Tag
Tag is a better defender in the low post and would alter Boozers shots, but Memo would get his. Huge advantage 07-08's
The benches
Korver vs Shandon Anderson
Harpring vs Keefe
Price vs Eisley
Hart vs Vaughn
Collins vs Greg Foster
Millsap vs Big Dawg Carr
Almond vs Chris Morris
Arent these teams similar? Korver is a poor mans Horney, Brewers plays much like Shannon did. Harpring and Keefe are garbage men, Price and Eisley have similar results, Millsap is a young Antoine Carr is many ways, Foster is better then Collins and Morris at that point is more effective the a young Morris Almond. All that said I gotta call it a draw or maybe a slight advantage to the 97-98 team since they had been to the big dance the year before.
Go Jazz!
That was a great post. I wish that these two teams could really play on the court. They can't however. I think I started this thread to get people off all of the trolling that has been going on lately. What is up with that? Also, vote for which team you guys think would win!
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tdowna, you forgot all about CJ Miles.
I'm not going act like I know who would win this matchup and I don't really care. The old Jazz was 10 times the defensive team, and though not as packed with raw talent as this year's jazz, they all played Sloan's game to perfection. They knew their roles.
However the league is probably tougher now than it's ever been before, at least the Western Conference. To still finish with 54 wins is amazing. This year's Jazz would create a few matchup problems for the 97-98 Jazz.
When it comes down to it, an argument like this can't be proven either way.
I'm not going act like I know who would win this matchup and I don't really care. The old Jazz was 10 times the defensive team, and though not as packed with raw talent as this year's jazz, they all played Sloan's game to perfection. They knew their roles.
However the league is probably tougher now than it's ever been before, at least the Western Conference. To still finish with 54 wins is amazing. This year's Jazz would create a few matchup problems for the 97-98 Jazz.
When it comes down to it, an argument like this can't be proven either way.
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erudite23 wrote:That team won 64 games while taking one of the best teams of all time to an extremely hard fought 6 games (that could have been a win in 7 had the correct call been made vs MJ on the final play).....I'm pretty sure that trumps 54 wins, a moderately difficult series against a hobbled but fiesty Houston team without much talent to boast of and a couple of mild beat downs by a very-good-but-not-great Laker team in the 2nd round.
Jazz are a better team than many give them credit for, they are a better team than their 54 wins suggest. But they couldn't touch that team, and your analysis is even more off than your premise. That is all.
I pretty much agree with this.
"Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter."
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Stockton would defens DWill a lot better than Fish and Malone would eat Boozer alive. We would have to win it at the other 3 positions, which isn't completely impossible, but no way this team wins. We are great, but I dunno. I do know the old team would not have won 62 games in this years West.
Oh yeah, I would take Hornacek back on this team instantly. The guy was incredible and not a bad defender. Brewer didn't defend Kobe that great last night, he should have jumped in front of the pass for the halftime equalizer. He is still very young and immature with basketball intelligence.
Oh yeah, I would take Hornacek back on this team instantly. The guy was incredible and not a bad defender. Brewer didn't defend Kobe that great last night, he should have jumped in front of the pass for the halftime equalizer. He is still very young and immature with basketball intelligence.
Word is, South Beach is ecstatic that they
won't be seeing Millsaps talents again this season...
