Wow, after reading posts from a lot of people here, it seems that Milsap single handedly won us the Houston series and nearly the Lakers series. From the previous posts I would gather that Milsap is another allstar in the waiting, who if boozer was traded, could be inserted into the starting lineup and the Jazz would immediately be better. I guess I was watching the wrong Jazz team this year, because from what I saw, was a decent back-up that had a few good games (and a few bad ones) in the playoffs. Here are his numbers from the 2008 playoffs (divided into the two rounds):
G MPG FG% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
6 17.5 .429 .600 0.8 2.7 3.5 0.3 0.3 1.3 0.33 2.80 5.0
6 17.5 .588 .467 3.0 1.3 4.3 0.3 0.8 1.3 1.17 3.30 7.8
If one were to compare his numbers to his regular season numbers (not listed) they would find he essentially put up the same numbers in the playoffs.
Boozer had a subpar playoffs, but by no means a horrible one. 16pts/12reb isn't good for boozer, but they are "decent" numbers. The fact that people are pissed Boozer ONLY got 16pts/12rebs actually testifies to how good boozer is, in that, anything less than 25pts/10 reb is considered a "horrible" game. Milsap had some good games, but like boozer had some very bad games as well. Not saying Milsap is garbage, but Boozer played 82 great games and put up some huge numbers during the season that got the jazz to the playoffs. Lets not blow things out of proportion; realize that we are a much better team with Milsap as the backup PF and Boozer as the Starting PF.
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I don't disagree that people are jumping on the Millsap bandwagon a bit prematurely, however you are missing a few things in these situations.
1. The Jazz are always benefit when Millsap is on the floor, always. Their efficiency is higher, their defense is worlds better, and the hustle of everyone on the floor is increased 10 fold with Paul playing.
2. Albeit he only started two games this season, but in those two games when he is the go to guy in the low post for the Jazz he's averaged 20/11. I know that is a small sample to judge by, and I don't think he would keep that up over an entire season, but the stats show through out the season when he plays 30+ minutes he's a great asset to have on the floor, he usually gives the Jazz 15/9/2/2 which I would definitely take seeing that he is 10 times the defender that Boozer is.
3. He wants it more, his drive is just far better then Boozers and it shows on the floor. I liked that the Jazz had one of the best offenses in the league this year, but we were hardly the Phoenix Suns of a few years ago where nobody could slow us down, and since that is the case even with Boozer I would rather the Jazz play 30 minutes of solid defense every night and average close to 100 ppg vs. scoring 105 points per game and giving up nearly 100 ppg.
Millsap is a beast down low, and I do feel that if the Jazz ran plays for him like they do Boozer there is no reason he wouldn't be a 16/10/2 guy for the Jazz, coming at half of the price of Boozer.
1. The Jazz are always benefit when Millsap is on the floor, always. Their efficiency is higher, their defense is worlds better, and the hustle of everyone on the floor is increased 10 fold with Paul playing.
2. Albeit he only started two games this season, but in those two games when he is the go to guy in the low post for the Jazz he's averaged 20/11. I know that is a small sample to judge by, and I don't think he would keep that up over an entire season, but the stats show through out the season when he plays 30+ minutes he's a great asset to have on the floor, he usually gives the Jazz 15/9/2/2 which I would definitely take seeing that he is 10 times the defender that Boozer is.
3. He wants it more, his drive is just far better then Boozers and it shows on the floor. I liked that the Jazz had one of the best offenses in the league this year, but we were hardly the Phoenix Suns of a few years ago where nobody could slow us down, and since that is the case even with Boozer I would rather the Jazz play 30 minutes of solid defense every night and average close to 100 ppg vs. scoring 105 points per game and giving up nearly 100 ppg.
Millsap is a beast down low, and I do feel that if the Jazz ran plays for him like they do Boozer there is no reason he wouldn't be a 16/10/2 guy for the Jazz, coming at half of the price of Boozer.
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How can you hate on Millsap?
We all know he is not Boozer, which is exactly why people want to see him play more minutes. No, he will not average 22 ppg like Booz. Can he get us 16 and 10? I say yes.
He brings energy, hustle, intensity, and DEFENSE! Imagine that...defense from your power forward.
If he did play more minutes he would have to learn how to stay out of foul trouble.
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Yeah, we don't know how it would be if he started. He plays with a certain reckless abandon that you can't pull off for a full 35+ mpg. More importantly, he isn't being scouted and game planned for like Carlos is.
I do see that Millsap brings certain things that Booz doesn't. But this, to me, is just another example of people screaming for the backup QB. Booz carries a lot of burden on this team, and he doesn't always play with intensity on D. I admit, that is very frustrating, buuuut....he does open up things for other people. His inability to hit his mid range shot easily could have been the difference in the LA series. Booz is a stud, and while he is bad on D most of the time, I truly feel like he can be part of a championship formula.
If you take Millsap and put him as the starting PF, you're running the risk that he doesn't produce offensively like you need him to. Its just a matter of whether or not he can threaten the D like Boozer can. If he can't, that then puts added pressure on guys like DWill, Brewer, AK, Harps, KK, etc because they won't have the same open looks that they get by virtue of Carlos pulling the defense to himself.
While I am intrigued by the idea of Millsap being the full time starter, its too risky to give a guy like Boozer away, and then have Paul come up small. The best thing that could happen is if Carlos got hurt for 12-15 games and Millsap was able to start and get the full burn. That would give us an idea of what he is capable of. Unfortunately, I don't see Booz getting hurt that bad any time soon.
I do see that Millsap brings certain things that Booz doesn't. But this, to me, is just another example of people screaming for the backup QB. Booz carries a lot of burden on this team, and he doesn't always play with intensity on D. I admit, that is very frustrating, buuuut....he does open up things for other people. His inability to hit his mid range shot easily could have been the difference in the LA series. Booz is a stud, and while he is bad on D most of the time, I truly feel like he can be part of a championship formula.
If you take Millsap and put him as the starting PF, you're running the risk that he doesn't produce offensively like you need him to. Its just a matter of whether or not he can threaten the D like Boozer can. If he can't, that then puts added pressure on guys like DWill, Brewer, AK, Harps, KK, etc because they won't have the same open looks that they get by virtue of Carlos pulling the defense to himself.
While I am intrigued by the idea of Millsap being the full time starter, its too risky to give a guy like Boozer away, and then have Paul come up small. The best thing that could happen is if Carlos got hurt for 12-15 games and Millsap was able to start and get the full burn. That would give us an idea of what he is capable of. Unfortunately, I don't see Booz getting hurt that bad any time soon.
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I love Millsap but he is not a starter .
Foul trouble is not so much a problem , when you look at Chandler's career you understand that foul trouble can be avoided by anyone.
The real problem is his size. Some of you have said that Millsap is a beast under the basket , well , he may score on putbacks or stuff like that but he is clearly not an impressive inside scorer.
He has a lot of trouble creating a decent shot inside and has no back to the basket game.
I love his defense , in my opinion he is our best defender. But he can't cover somebody like Duncan or Gasol for 35 minutes. he is good but he would be spanked by those players because they're so much taller than him.
Still , the biggest knock i have with Millsap is his limited potential. Hear me out , tecnically i'm sure he will improve a lot because he is a hard worker.
Problem is when he will start to decline physically (in no more than 5 years) , his lack of size will be even more bothersome.
Undersized player like him do not age very well : Ben Wallace is absolutely pathetic right now , one of the worst contract in the league. Barkley was also bad at the end of his career.
Those two guys though are/were more powerful than most of their opponents.
Millsap doesn't even have this strenght advantage. He can't overpower anybody like Barkley could.
When he will lost some athleticism his game will suffer a lot because his game is based on hustle plays.
Foul trouble is not so much a problem , when you look at Chandler's career you understand that foul trouble can be avoided by anyone.
The real problem is his size. Some of you have said that Millsap is a beast under the basket , well , he may score on putbacks or stuff like that but he is clearly not an impressive inside scorer.
He has a lot of trouble creating a decent shot inside and has no back to the basket game.
I love his defense , in my opinion he is our best defender. But he can't cover somebody like Duncan or Gasol for 35 minutes. he is good but he would be spanked by those players because they're so much taller than him.
Still , the biggest knock i have with Millsap is his limited potential. Hear me out , tecnically i'm sure he will improve a lot because he is a hard worker.
Problem is when he will start to decline physically (in no more than 5 years) , his lack of size will be even more bothersome.
Undersized player like him do not age very well : Ben Wallace is absolutely pathetic right now , one of the worst contract in the league. Barkley was also bad at the end of his career.
Those two guys though are/were more powerful than most of their opponents.
Millsap doesn't even have this strenght advantage. He can't overpower anybody like Barkley could.
When he will lost some athleticism his game will suffer a lot because his game is based on hustle plays.
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It's not Boozers numbers in the playoffs that i'm upset about, he's how he got those number is whats frustrating. He took bad shots, played unmotivated on defense BECAUSE of his poor shot selection. As Dingo mentioned no one here thinks Milsap can step in and average 22ppg, but with Milsaps motor it's not unreasonable to think he could get 12-10 in 30 mpg. Which gives Boozers replacement ( 
Beasley ) 18-20 mpg to develop and learn the Sloan Flex.
we drafted Milsap 47th (?ish) overall, he's exceeded expectations and right now he's rather cheap.. he's got the ability to give us starter minutes. And Troy whats your reasoning for thinking Paul will start "declining" in 5 years? he's still a kid man... he's got plenty of time to work on his game, his shot, etc etc... I think Paul's got a legitimate chance to become a poor man's Karl Malone. Will probably never have the offense of Karl, but his D could easily match, and with his work ethic you never know what could happen.
Beasley ) 18-20 mpg to develop and learn the Sloan Flex.
we drafted Milsap 47th (?ish) overall, he's exceeded expectations and right now he's rather cheap.. he's got the ability to give us starter minutes. And Troy whats your reasoning for thinking Paul will start "declining" in 5 years? he's still a kid man... he's got plenty of time to work on his game, his shot, etc etc... I think Paul's got a legitimate chance to become a poor man's Karl Malone. Will probably never have the offense of Karl, but his D could easily match, and with his work ethic you never know what could happen.
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May be it's not an issue of Millsap OR Boozer.
The whole thing is that starting Millsap would create some lineup issues to the opponent. Jazz prooved they can play with Millsap in any lineup without suffering a significant drop.
By staring him and bringing Boozer off the bench, the other teams will be forced to choose between some options: Would they let his starting PF play against Millsap? Would they let their backup PF deal with Boozer?
I'm sure this issue is more problematic for opponetnts than it is for the Jazz.
It's more of a "mix minutes and matchups" thing than a "starter minutes" issue IMHO.
The whole thing is that starting Millsap would create some lineup issues to the opponent. Jazz prooved they can play with Millsap in any lineup without suffering a significant drop.
By staring him and bringing Boozer off the bench, the other teams will be forced to choose between some options: Would they let his starting PF play against Millsap? Would they let their backup PF deal with Boozer?
I'm sure this issue is more problematic for opponetnts than it is for the Jazz.
It's more of a "mix minutes and matchups" thing than a "starter minutes" issue IMHO.
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I wouldn't mind terribly AK and Millsap splitting time at the 4 if Boozer was traded. That's a lot of energy right there, and I think it's possible we could even be a stronger team depending on what Boozer could bring in a trade.
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Man, I don't know why everyone thinks Millsap would be a below average scorer down low.
He was a 20 ppg guy in college, and you notice when he gets shots early in the game he is a lot more aggressive offensively and he has the talent to take over a game offensively like he did in Orlando this year.
I think Millsap, with Okur next to him would be just fine.
He was a 20 ppg guy in college, and you notice when he gets shots early in the game he is a lot more aggressive offensively and he has the talent to take over a game offensively like he did in Orlando this year.
I think Millsap, with Okur next to him would be just fine.
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erudite23 wrote:Yeah, we don't know how it would be if he started. He plays with a certain reckless abandon that you can't pull off for a full 35+ mpg. More importantly, he isn't being scouted and game planned for like Carlos is.
I do see that Millsap brings certain things that Booz doesn't. But this, to me, is just another example of people screaming for the backup QB. Booz carries a lot of burden on this team, and he doesn't always play with intensity on D. I admit, that is very frustrating, buuuut....he does open up things for other people. His inability to hit his mid range shot easily could have been the difference in the LA series. Booz is a stud, and while he is bad on D most of the time, I truly feel like he can be part of a championship formula.
If you take Millsap and put him as the starting PF, you're running the risk that he doesn't produce offensively like you need him to. Its just a matter of whether or not he can threaten the D like Boozer can. If he can't, that then puts added pressure on guys like DWill, Brewer, AK, Harps, KK, etc because they won't have the same open looks that they get by virtue of Carlos pulling the defense to himself.
While I am intrigued by the idea of Millsap being the full time starter, its too risky to give a guy like Boozer away, and then have Paul come up small. The best thing that could happen is if Carlos got hurt for 12-15 games and Millsap was able to start and get the full burn. That would give us an idea of what he is capable of. Unfortunately, I don't see Booz getting hurt that bad any time soon.
Exactly, thank you for pointing that out. It is a situation where we are calling for the backup QB. The two players that all opponents focused on and game-planned for were boozer and d-will. One could even make the argument that the rockets decided to just focus on shutting boozer down and letting williams go (much like the spurs tried to do with CP and West). It was fairly effective and the lakers did the same thing. Having a bulleye on your back can effect your game. I am not "hating" on millsap, I am just saying that he isn't ready to replace Boozer. Scoring in college is different that scoring in the NBA, otherwise players like adam morrison would be allstars. Fans have such short term memories that they can forget how instrumental boozer is to the team. Without deron the jazz don't make the playoffs, without boozer the jazz don't make the playoffs.
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Millsap is our secret weapon, everyone focuses on Boozer
Paul is pretty reliable player, he just needs to work on his Jumpshot(this is one it comes down to work ethic. Does he have a mailman like drive in him or does he just wanna remain a energy player. it's up to him)
If he could consistently hit a jumpshot he could start in this league
checkout this mansap mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVF7WG1mbYM
Paul is pretty reliable player, he just needs to work on his Jumpshot(this is one it comes down to work ethic. Does he have a mailman like drive in him or does he just wanna remain a energy player. it's up to him)
If he could consistently hit a jumpshot he could start in this league
checkout this mansap mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVF7WG1mbYM
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The problem with both Booz and Milsap is that they lack length.
I called it before the series started, Boozer would struggle against the lakers because of their speed and length.........He did
Milsap is a great back up who would have the same problem if he were the starter, especially in a 7 game series, You can get away with it more during the regular season but it will bite you in the arse in the playoffs.
Malone as great as he was had the same problem. Utah has got to get some length of their own, I hope Fess develops and helps.
I called it before the series started, Boozer would struggle against the lakers because of their speed and length.........He did
Milsap is a great back up who would have the same problem if he were the starter, especially in a 7 game series, You can get away with it more during the regular season but it will bite you in the arse in the playoffs.
Malone as great as he was had the same problem. Utah has got to get some length of their own, I hope Fess develops and helps.
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idajazz wrote:The problem with both Booz and Milsap is that they lack length.
I called it before the series started, Boozer would struggle against the lakers because of their speed and length.........He did
Milsap is a great back up who would have the same problem if he were the starter, especially in a 7 game series, You can get away with it more during the regular season but it will bite you in the arse in the playoffs.
Malone as great as he was had the same problem. Utah has got to get some length of their own, I hope Fess develops and helps.
I'm not saying replace Booze with Sap, but I do think Sap is superior inside vs. length.... but even then it's still a craps shoot and something you can't rely upon. If Sap can hit that high post with a little more regularity, and develop a strong confidence in that shot... Booze might just be expendable.
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idajazz wrote:The problem with both Booz and Milsap is that they lack length.
I called it before the series started, Boozer would struggle against the lakers because of their speed and length.........He did
Milsap is a great back up who would have the same problem if he were the starter, especially in a 7 game series, You can get away with it more during the regular season but it will bite you in the arse in the playoffs.
Malone as great as he was had the same problem. Utah has got to get some length of their own, I hope Fess develops and helps.
Agreed, length is one of the most underrated aspects of the game. When you watched the Lakers this year it was disgusting to see every time the ball was in the air their guys simply had longer arms then the Jazz guys to grab the rebound.
That's why I can't wait to see Fesenko and his 9'4 standing reach get on the floor.
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I love Millsap. I have loved him from the time when I saw him at LA Tech playing against Utah State. He isn't a huge player as far as stat line goes, but he really makes this a better team and he does it well. If you ask me, Millsap is the only player on the Jazz who can come off the bench and explode looking like an allstar. Honestly, I don't think that he is good enough to be starting in Boozer's place, but give him 2-3 years and he WILL be in the starting lineup of an NBA franchise.
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This is what he reminds me off, he reminds me of a rich mans Udonis Haslem.
Haslem is a legit starting PF in the league, he isn't great, but he gives you 12/9, doesn't make a lot of mistakes plays good defense, and he's 6'8, 235.
Millsap is 6'8, 268, is a better defender, a better rebounder and a better offensive player.
I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do to more then hold is own in the league, he'd be just fine starting.
I'd like to see him start to get more opportunity sooner then later because I don't want him to get settled into being the high energy bench guy.
Haslem is a legit starting PF in the league, he isn't great, but he gives you 12/9, doesn't make a lot of mistakes plays good defense, and he's 6'8, 235.
Millsap is 6'8, 268, is a better defender, a better rebounder and a better offensive player.
I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do to more then hold is own in the league, he'd be just fine starting.
I'd like to see him start to get more opportunity sooner then later because I don't want him to get settled into being the high energy bench guy.