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Utah Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -11.3 ppg, +7.9 rpg, and +0.6 apg.

Incoming Players
Andrew Bogut 7-0 C from Utah 14.3 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 34.9 minutes
Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 9.2 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.9 minutes

Outgoing Players
Carlos Boozer 6-8 PF from Duke 21.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 34.9 minutes
Jarron Collins 6-11 PF / C from Stanford 1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.0 minutes
Ronnie Brewer 6-7 SG from Arkansas 12.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.5 minutes


Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.8 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

Incoming Players
Carlos Boozer 6-8 PF from Duke21.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 34.9 minutes
Carmelo Anthony 6-8 SF from Syracuse 25.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 3.4 apg in 36.4 minutes

Outgoing Players
Michael Redd 6-6 SG from Ohio State 22.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
Andrew Bogut 7-0 C from Utah 14.3 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 34.9 minutes
Charlie Villanueva 6-10 PF from Connecticut 11.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.1 minutes

Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +13.1 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Incoming Players
Jarron Collins 6-11 PF / C from Stanford 1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.0 minutes
Ronnie Brewer 6-7 SG from Arkansas12.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.5 minutes
Michael Redd 6-6 SG from Ohio State 22.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
Charlie Villanueva 6-10 PF from Connecticut 11.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.1 minutes

Outgoing Players
Carmelo Anthony 6-8 SF from Syracuse 25.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 3.4 apg in 36.4 minutes
Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 9.2 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.9 minutes


This solves Utah defensive middle. You would have to move Okur to PF. We would also need to keep Miles at SG.

Milwaukee gets rid of some great players and gets some great ones in return.

Denver I feel gets the worst of the deal as they get 3 good players + Collins; instead of an All star in Anthony and a defensive stopper in Camby. I still feel it works pretty well for them overall.

I do think Denver would trade Iverson before Anthony realistically speaking but they do need to make some changes.

too good for waukee and too bad for denver. too redundant for utah bogut and camby?

The best part of this trade is how much dick Denver takes in the face for arguably their two most valuable players.

Denver gets bitch-slapped in that one. I don't want any part of Marcus Camby either. Brittle, locker room downer, and all around buffoon on the court.

I really like Bogut, but I think Milwaukee's high on him too. They'd obviously say yes to this particular trade, but I don't think it's necessarily a realistic one.

Actually, that is not a bad trade for all three teams. This would be each team's depth chart:
Utah:
PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, Jason Hart
SG: C.J. Miles, Kyle Korver, Morris Almond
SF: Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, Morris Almond
PF: Mehmet Okur, Paul Millsap
C: Andrew Bogut, Marcus Camby, Kyrylo Fesenko

Utah would definitely be improved. Defensive and athleticism would definitely be improved in the frontcourt. I also like how it creates a possible lineup that has either a veteran starting with a younger player behind him or vice versa. Morris Almond would take over for Harpring eventually.

Milwaukee:
PG: Maurice Williams, Royal Ivey, Ramon Sessions
SG: Bobby Simmons, Charlie Bell, Awvee Storey
SF: Carmelo Anthony, Desmond Mason
PF: Yi Jianlian, Michael Ruffin, Dan Gadzuric
C: Carlos Boozer, Jake Voskuhl, Dan Gadzuric

Milwaukee is also improved, especialy offensively. Carlos Boozer is a hybrid between a center and a power forward and is best suited to start at center because he is strong enough to keep most centers of the block, and is better when he is not forced to guard outside of the post.

Denver:
PG: Allen Iverson, Ronnie Brewer, Anthony Carter
SG: J.R. Smith, Michael Redd, Bobby Jones
SF: Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najera, Yakahouba Diawara
PF: Charlie Villanueva, Kenyon Martin, Jarron Collins
C: Nene Hilario, Steven Hunter, Jarron Collins

I also think that Denver would be improved. This move allows for Linas Kleiza and J.R. Smith to move into the starting lineup as the SF and SG. Denver would also become a more athletic team with a very deep bench. Ronnie Brewer would not really be a back up point guard, but more as and offense intiator when Iverson is on the bench. I have also moved Michael Redd to the bench because of his defensive problems. Brewer would cover them nicely.

This is a good trade for all three teams. All of the trades listed are pre-draft. The draft would obviously change the respective depth charts for each team.

JStockLivesOn wrote:I really like Bogut, but I think Milwaukee's high on him too. They'd obviously say yes to this particular trade, but I don't think it's necessarily a realistic one.

Yeh I've heard the Bucks want to keep Bogut for a long long time

Pappy, as much as I despise Carmelo Anthony, it would be an atrocious move to trade him and get back Charlie V, Redd, and Brewer. What a bleak future that would be. Redd is the league's most overrated max player, Charlie V is a 12 and 6 guy, and Brewer -- while an excellent young prospect -- most likely has a ceiling below where Carmelo is already playing.

Iverson's career is winding down and Martin's best days are way behind him. So what's your future looking like? Let's see...

You're building around the perennially underachieving and lazy JR Smith, a (at that point) 30-32 year-old Redd, Brewer, Linas **** Kleiza, Charlie V., and the generally injured and half-motivated Nene. What a nightmare.

They would still be fighting for the 8th seed with that team in 2008-2009 and it only gets worse from there.

I just can't put into words what a mind-bogglingly awful trade that would be for Denver.

Ask to denver fans to see what is their oppinion.

Bogut and Camby would not come off the bench!Too many big men for the jazz!However we could keep Bogut and give the Nets Camby like they wanted for RJ!We would have to give them a little more too i think!

Yep, no chance Denver does this, ESPECIALLY if it helps the Jazz in any way whatsoever.

This is a wierd trade scenerio. How would Utah give enough minutes to Bogut and Camby? Why in the world would Denver ever do this trade? Milwaukee loves the deal and make out like bandits.

They could easily work out minutes for Bogut, Camby, and Okur. Too many big men is not a problem.

Denver doesn't do this.

wow that trade would make the Bucks nasty in the East! Yup the Nuggs would never give more bigs to a team that all ready pushes them around down low!

I don't like Bogut..... and even Camby is a good player but overrated

Jefff wrote:I don't like Bogut..... and even Camby is a good player but overrated

I definitely agree. As much as I love Camby, it's not worth it. Trading Brewer and Boozer is trading away 60+ minutes of high efficiency for about 48 minutes of high efficiency. Keep in mind that Millsap will be the back up PF to Okur.

It gives us some defenders in the middle. We do sacrifice some offense. But I feel Bogut would do well in a set offense. Camby I worry about and might post another trade without Camby in it.

You guys are crazy. Camby is absolute worthless. Yeah, he'll get some decent numbers block-wise, but he doesn't anchor a defense. You may find evidence of this in, say... Denver's performances since he got there. Add to that his extremely low basketball IQ and penchant for taking jumpers way outside of his range and Sloan would destroy him.

Bogut, on the other hand, is a skilled and intelligent big man, who can work down low and pass extremely well out of the high post. Sloan would love this guy. I don't think we'd ever realistically get him, but he'd be a great fit here.

Jazz would have taken Bogut if they got the 1st. They wouldn't have taken Marvin Williams at 2 if they got it. They would have traded down a spot or two.

DelaneyRudd wrote:Jazz would have taken Bogut if they got the 1st. They wouldn't have taken Marvin Williams at 2 if they got it. They would have traded down a spot or two.

I think they would've taken Deron at 2, they were too high on him. Plus they traded up to get deron anyway.