Intelligent Jazz fans only please

[QuantumMacgyver]

The Jazz know that there is a chance that they lose Booz next season. With that said what is the best course of action to fill our need at PF if/when he does leave? (For heavens sake don't humiliate yourself with talk of Dwight Howard.)

Second, Deseret News reported that, according to Hoopsworld.com, the Jazz are possibly making a move for Ben Gordon.( I have found nothing to support this on any site other than Deseret News. Even on Hoopworld.com the only article I found quoted the Deseret News as Quoting Hoopsworld.com. The two articles just reference back to one another) If this is true, is there any use in making that move. Note that he would be a free agent next summer and likely want big money though hes yet proven he is worth it.

Lastly, of the free agents left, who could help the Jazz most AND be a possible target for the Jazz. That means no talk about anyone associated with the Clips this offseason. i.e. Davis, Brand, or Maggette. (Thank heavens Maggette is off the market so bored Jazz fans can stop talking about him. Would be a terrible fit with this roster.)

And please at least try and restrict your comments to the "at least marginally possible" category.

[stevebozell]

Well by you saying he would be a horrible fit here, you just showed your intelligence. What were you doing posting, after making the rule up yourself?

[idajazz]

Well by you saying he would be a horrible fit here, you just showed your intelligence. What were you doing posting, after making the rule up yourself?

My thoughts as well.
Jazz management must think Maggs is a pretty decent player, This isn't the first time they have had interest in him.
So Mr. Smart Guy do you even remember that the Jazz had him signed and The clips matched?
Does that mean your smarter than the jazz personnel people? Maybe you should call Larry and tell him whats up!

[BiggMann]

What a ballsy first post.

Who are you to call me an unintelligent fan? Then come back and say how Maggette would be a terrible fit on this team... show's how much you know. Utah's brass has had their eye on Maggs for years now, that contract he just opted out of... was written up by the Utah Jazz, and the Clips matched it.

Could you imagine Maggette with Deron, Boozer, AK and Okur?? Think about that man. Dont get me wrong I love Brewer, CJ, Almond and the whole bunch, but i'm a smart enough JAZZ fan to understand that Maggs makes us a much better team. And besides, if we could've signed Maggs... we could've moved AK for market value (Which is fairly low) and already had his replacement.

...Now back to your original posted question (Which if you would read the board you can see that this subject has been beaten to death on the "FREE AGENCY" thread. I think making a run at Turiaf or Kwame Brown are our best options to this point, outside of an AK trade (which might not happen until next season). The Lakers are going to match ANYTHING that Sasha gets offered, which puts them in a tough spot if someone offers Turiaf because it's likely they cannot match both offers. Kwame could come fairly cheap, would play tough defense and rebound... Sloan may fall over with a heart attack trying to coach the kid, but from what i've heard from REAL laker fans is that he tries hard on D and goes hard after rebounds... but has a horrible set of hands and low Basketball IQ.


EDIT: Also, dont read too much into what Hoopsworld has to say, it's their job to start rumors... and Desnews is just being lazy "Googling" articles to find their "Reference"

[erudite23]

I can relate to what he has to say.

#1, I definitely agree that Maggette is a poor fit for the roster right now. He's a high volum shooter who wouldn't be getting near the same amount of touches he's used to. He thrives with the ball in his hands--which wouldn't happen much--and he doesn't play particularly hard on defense. All of which make him bad fits, along with the fact that we have 324 wings on the roster already. Still, even with all that, I would have jumped at getting a player of his caliber for the MLE. You just can't pass up cheap talent like that. But it was not to be.

As for replacing Boozer, there is no real sure fire solution here. The guy is too good to just plug someone in and not miss a beat. If he does leave, my thinking is that Millsap will be the guy that we replace him with short term, and that we look forward to the 2010 draft to look for his long term replacement. The other option, of course, is that Fes develops in the meantime into a starting quality big, and we then move Memo back to the 4 and let Fes play the 5. That is actually the best case scenario, but also the least likely. We have no room under the cap, so a high level FA is out of the question. That leaves trades, which are inherently beyond the "marginally possible" boundary set forth here, and draft picks. I don't think people realize the **** storm that will hit this team if Booz leaves for nothing and we don't find an adequate replacement. We will be back to fighting for a playoff spot.

[jazzfan1971]

I think Millsap and AK could hold down the 4 pretty well. None of us really know what Millsap would do with extended minutes and touches. But, he does seem to have some offensive ability, and we all know his defense is superior to Boozer. Size is about equal.

The question is, in my mind, how good is Boozer when you consider the system he's playing in?

I mean is it because Boozer is an outstanding talent, or is it because we have a system that makes him look good?

I think the system has a lot to do with it, wasn't AK like 18-8 or something as the starting PF? I don't think it's that hard to imagine Millsap being an 18-10 guy given the minutes. He may score 5ppg less, but, I think he'd make that up on the other end of the floor.

In short, I don't think Boozer is the guy for this team. I'd love to see him moved for something like that Prince and Hamilton rumor.

[stevebozell]

I can relate to what he has to say.

Erudite23 can relate to a snob? Shocker!

[hoops4life]

You want inteligent posting... why don't you post this stuff in the already made threads, instead of making a new one to repeat old crap?

[BiggMann]

wouldn't happen?

Please the way Maggs can get to the line, you dont think Sloan would maximize that at times. Sure he'd take a back seat to the PnR, but he's a knock down shooter that can get rim and force contact. cant tell me that wouldn't help this years team.

... but that said, I'm glad the Warriors got him. Gives Brewer and CJ that much more of a chance to see the floor.

[erudite23]

I can relate to what he has to say.

Erudite23 can relate to a snob? Shocker!

....and now that all the a**holes have vacated the boards you're upset because you can't relate to anyone. Have fun with that.

My point is that I can relate to him asking for stupid posts to be ommitted. The trash that has been circulating on these boards since the end of the playoffs--most especially in relation to Boozer and his "impending departure"--has been very tiresome, and the guy just wants a thread for reaslistic options on how exactly we are going to deal with it should it happen.

A refreshing approach compared to the "hey, let's trade Boozer for this trash that nobody wants" or "Hey, lets trade our trash for Star ______, that would work, right?"

If you don't like it, crawl back to your hole and curl up next to your Jerry Sloan voodoo doll.

[JStockLivesOn]

Well, it's a little condescending and comical to have this particular individual demanding intelligence from others, but it's also a fair point. Still, I think we could solve all of our garbage-post woes with a lifetime ban on HolyToledo. He's the linchpin of it all.

[GP]

You want inteligent posting... why don't you post this stuff in the already made threads, instead of making a new one to repeat old crap?

+1 my thoughts exactly, the irony is suffocating.

[jazzfan1971]

It was a terrible way to open a conversation. I'm close to locking this thread but, then every other post talks about basketball, so that gives it some hope.

But, I think it's doomed to be locked soon enough.

[erudite23]

Question: Is it because it is his first post that its offensive, or just the general method of addressing the board?

Anyways, I can see why it might irk people to have a single-post-ballboy-ain't-nothin'-to-nobody poster demand that only "intelligent" fans respond to his post (thus implying that he, is intelligent in the process, of course)....but with all the stupidity being thrown around on this particular subject, I can see why someone would be moved to act that way.

Anyhow, like I said, Boozer has become severely underrated on our board. The guy is a top 20 NBA player right now, without a question, and all anyone can think about is his lack of defense. Sure, its a significant issue. But our best prospects are to find someone to complement him rather than someone to replace him because....well, YOU JUST DON'T FIND TOP 20 PLAYERS LAYING BY THE SIDE OF THE STREET. If we can get a dominant defensive big guy to replace him, fine, I'll dance in the streets. But in the mean time, we should have our eye out for a complement to hide his deficiencies.

[carrottop12]

Basically I think the Jazz should explore every opportunity to get Dwight Howard with a Boozer trade. Obviously Orlando isn't happy with him and vice versa so the Jazz could probably get him if they threw in Jason Hart and Jarron Collins and maybe the first round draft pick we have next year.

Deron/Price
Brewer/CJ/Almond
Kirilenko/Korver/Harpring
Okur/Millsap
Howard/Fesenko/Koufos

I think that team is pretty primed for a championship. And maybe we could even swing that sign and trade for Corey Maggette if the Jazz brass would get off their asses.

[DelaneyRudd]

We will have to see how Fes and Kos develop. If they can both be good, Memo and Sap can be PF, and no big name may be needed. I say this because I think a lot of Boozer's success is because he has a great pick and roll PG. I'd be willing to wait and see what Booz does because we do have developing players. The Jazz can afford to wait and see who needs to be paid later.

[hoops4life]

Question: Is it because it is his first post that its offensive, or just the general method of addressing the board?

You know it is because it is his first post and not the general method. Realgm has its cliques. For the most part, you have to earn some respect of your fellow posters. When somebody comes in with no "hi, hello, I'm..." and instead just come out with their guns firing, it doesn't fly over well, especially when they mock the majority of the posters. Also his thread had 3 or 4 topics that he wants to discuss, all of which are currently being discussed in more depth for the last few days in other more appropriate threads. That is why.

What do you want us to say?

Nobody really has anything about the Ben gordon rumor or where it came from. 1280 had a big segment on it yesterday but no real information. They were just going off of what the Dnews said.

Jazz won't sign any FA's this year because of roster size and money. The Jazz believe that the team can win it as constructed.

Boozer will opt out but who knows if he will say with the Jazz? It would be a great time to trade him if they want to. Buy low sell high... his stock is has high as it ever has been. Nobody wants to trade him away for nothing. People have difference opinions on what he is worth and what we can realistically get for him.

Lastly, Some people aren't as diehard as others in know other team's player values. I don't know, I have a rough idea but I don't know value of other players, that is why I never do trade threads or ideas... Sure there are younger people on here but we should encourage them to become bigger fans and help them not just mock them. We aren't some elitist here that can pick and chose who posts. Realgm is free and anybody can sign up. Sure some time it sucks sorting through "the crap to find the sugar" (as my dad puts it) at times but grow up.

[erudite23]

Right. That's what I was asking, really. I don't know that you should have to earn any respect before people respect your message. Its the ideas that you have and the way you communicate that should matter. Agreed that its rude and condescending to begin by insulting a large part of the boards posters like that....but you know what? There have been times when I want to scream at the top of my lungs at the stupidity that is being pushed here. So, I can see how he could have been reading the boards lately, maybe even for quite awhile, and decided to create a thread for a specific purpose (one that hasn't been created yet, as far as I know, that being how do we handle it IF Booz leaves; most just want to scream about him and say we need to trade him now before he leaves for nothing) while sending a warning to any and all the dramatists out there that want to run around doing their chicken little impressions to stay away.

I'm not saying that I agree with him handling it like he did, but its something that I can certainly understand, considering what we've seen around lately.

Still, I agree that people should have a chance to express their ideas and not be treated like they are 2nd class citizens by an elitist faction looking to polish each others knobs. But the other side to that is that people should be made aware of it when they are saying stupid ass stuff, so that they can rectify their behavior. The last thing we need around here is more idiots.

[carrottop12]

Right. That's what I was asking, really. I don't know that you should have to earn any respect before people respect your message. Its the ideas that you have and the way you communicate that should matter. Agreed that its rude and condescending to begin by insulting a large part of the boards posters like that....but you know what? There have been times when I want to scream at the top of my lungs at the stupidity that is being pushed here. So, I can see how he could have been reading the boards lately, maybe even for quite awhile, and decided to create a thread for a specific purpose (one that hasn't been created yet, as far as I know, that being how do we handle it IF Booz leaves; most just want to scream about him and say we need to trade him now before he leaves for nothing) while sending a warning to any and all the dramatists out there that want to run around doing their chicken little impressions to stay away.

I'm not saying that I agree with him handling it like he did, but its something that I can certainly understand, considering what we've seen around lately.

Still, I agree that people should have a chance to express their ideas and not be treated like they are 2nd class citizens by an elitist faction looking to polish each others knobs. But the other side to that is that people should be made aware of it when they are saying stupid ass stuff, so that they can rectify their behavior. The last thing we need around here is more idiots.

What do you know, you're just a starter.

[outerspacefella]

Jazz can't throw their draft picks until they send the conditional pick they own to the Sixers by virtue of the Korver trade.
I have to concede that Williams, Brewer, Kirilenko, Okur, Howard with Korver, Harpring, Millsapp, Almond, CJ, and a little bit developed Fesenko from the bench AND A SAVY VET BACKUP PG.... well... that's championship material indeed.
Anyway, I don't see the Magis parting ways with Howard.... yet is a darn good wish for sure!