I have come to two logical conclusions.

Pappyman · Post #1 » by **Pappyman** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:44 am

The Jazz really only have two options. Either they have to (1) trade Andrei Kirilenko for a back up defensive center+filler, or (2) they have to move Memo to the bench. They are now going to be paying C.J. Miles way too much money for him to never play. He has to play consistent minutes to warrant his contract. Personally, I think that they should move Memo to the bench for the time being. They should then insert C.J. Miles into the starting line up to replace his outside shooting. Every one else would just move up one position. This would be my depth chart (barring a trade):
PG: Deron Williams, Brevin Knight/Ronnie Price*
SG: C.J. Miles, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Price **
SF: Ronnie Brewer, Matt Harpring, Morris Almond
PF: Andrei Kirilenko, Paul Millsap, Jarron Collins
C: Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Kyrylo Fesenko/Kosta Koufos

* I know that some will not like this move, but Knight is more of a true point guard. Price is a combo guard in every sense of the word.
**Because Price is a combo guard, I list him as the third string shooting guard as well. Due to Price's athleticism and shooting ability, the Jazz's back court suddenly has an incredible amount of versatility.

I think that this the rotation the Jazz should go with. They would have THE point guard in Deron Williams. On the wings, they would have two super-athletic players in C.J. Miles and Ronnie Brewer that complement each others abilities. C.J. possesses great athleticism and outside shooting ability, while Ronnie is more of an above the rim-type player with great finishing ability . They both have the potential to be shut down defensive players. Andrei would move back to his natural position of power forward. He has been an All-star at PF in the Jazz's system and he would improve the Jazz's interior defense. His improved outside shooting is also a plus. Boozer would be the center. He is big enough (6'9" and 260+ pounds) to be a center in this league. He already plays the center position on offense anyway. The world champion Boston Celtics center Kendrick Perkins is basically the same size and they had no trouble against the Lakers front line. Of course, the Lakers did not have Andrew Bynum. Hopefully, his defense will improve while he is playing with the Olympic team. He often guards players that are really centers anyway (Duncan, Howard, etc.).

The Jazz would also have one of the best if not the best bench in the league. They would have scoring (Memo, Millsap, and Korver), veteran leadership (Knight and Harpring), rebounding (Memo and Millsap), a potential sixth man of the year (Memo), toughness (Harpring and Millsap), and a player who gives them that "spark" when it is needed (RONNIE FREAKING PRICE). This would be a 60+ win team that could seriously contend for the best record in the conference.

fivas14 · Post #2 » by **fivas14** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:11 am

Boozer is too soft to play the 5 and Miles is the back up SF so it makes no sense putting him at SG and moving Brewer to SF.

Post #3 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:37 am

It makes some sense to me. But, I don't see CJ starting. I have no idea why we're going to pay him 4mil a year to play 11mpg.

CAE15 · Post #4 » by **CAE15** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:43 am

3.7 for CJ but for collins and hart total they were 4.5 so now CJ looks like a bargain doesnt he? WOuld people really rather watch him succeed in OKC then in utah? If CJ gets some more minutes this year he could easily be starting next year at either the 2 or 3.

J~Rush · Post #5 » by **J~Rush** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:53 am

This post is nonsensical. There is no reason you have to play someone just because they make a lot of money. If I was the coach I'd only play someone that would help me win.

Pappyman · Post #6 » by **Pappyman** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:11 am

J~Rush wrote:This post is nonsensical. There is no reason you have to play someone just because they make a lot of money. If I was the coach I'd only play someone that would help me win.

The thing is, Miles would help us win if he was in the starting line up. He would give the Jazz something that they lacked against the Lakers: a shooting guard who can actually shoot and another athletic perimeter defender. Plus, this move would move Andrei back to the PF role which would improve our interior defense. Boozer simply does not have the speed and athleticism to stay with athletic PF's like KG, Nowitzki, Odom, and others. He is better when he plays low post position defense on centers vs. when he has to play on the perimeter against power forwards. Power forwards in the NBA are becoming more athletic and perimeter-oriented. Low post scorers are now typically centers (Duncan, Yao, etc.).

fivas14 · Post #7 » by **fivas14** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:16 am

Miles didn't play a lot last year because Sloan said he's not in shape to be starting in the NBA.

majortripps69 · Post #8 » by **majortripps69** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:11 pm

By that logic, does it make sense for a guy making more than twice CJ's salary to come off the bench (Memo)... Memo is a starter on this team, unless they can bring in a better option.

hoops4life · Post #9 » by **hoops4life** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:38 pm

By your logic we should play AK 50 of 48 minutes a night. Who is going to trade us a defensive backup center for Ak. What center is available? Filler will have to come as well but we don't have the roster room for that.

majortripps69 · Post #10 » by **majortripps69** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:55 pm

hoops4life wrote:By your logic we should play AK 50 of 48 minutes a night. Who is going to trade us a defensive backup center for Ak. What center is available? Filler will have to come as well but we don't have the roster room for that.

Nowhere did I say trade anything for AK. He is what he is. That's also why I said Memo should be the starter unless there is a better option. Face it, Koufous and Fes are busts already. If the Jazz didn't have so much invested in Fesenko already, they would have already cut ties with him.

fivas14 · Post #11 » by **fivas14** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:05 pm

majortripps69 wrote:
hoops4life wrote:By your logic we should play AK 50 of 48 minutes a night. Who is going to trade us a defensive backup center for Ak. What center is available? Filler will have to come as well but we don't have the roster room for that.

Nowhere did I say trade anything for AK. He is what he is. That's also why I said Memo should be the starter unless there is a better option. Face it, Koufous and Fes are busts already. If the Jazz didn't have so much invested in Fesenko already, they would have already cut ties with him.

Koufos is a bust?

You judge this by watching his 3 NBA seasons right? Wait....

Post #12 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:46 pm

Koufos is a bust? What the ****?

QuantumMacgyver · Post #13 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:27 pm

You know this kid is right. Koufas and Fes are busts. Look how long they have both been in the league and look at how unproductive they have been. Especially Koufas! He is averaging something like 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rebounds, shooting about 0.0 in about 0.0 mpg. And Fes is worse! He was an All-Star in the D-League so he obviously has no talent. Look at all the big men in the league. Can you name 20 that didn't have an immediate impact on their teams. Everyone knows that big men always come in and change a team the first second they step on the court. Only crappy C's take three years to produce. Like Jermaine O'Neal, Memo, Nowitzky, Tyson Chandler, Ben Wallace, the list goes on and on.

Of course CJ should start over Memo. We are paying CJ 4 mil a year and thats too much money not to start so we should bench the All-Star Memo and his 9 mil a year to start the unproven CJ and his 4 mil a year.

WTF?!

CJ won't start unless there is an injury to AK. He was resigned to relieve Harpring of some of his minutes. This line up is a good line up and I like it but not as a starting line up.

hoops4life · Post #14 » by **hoops4life** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:30 pm

majortripps69 wrote:
hoops4life wrote:By your logic we should play AK 50 of 48 minutes a night. Who is going to trade us a defensive backup center for Ak. What center is available? Filler will have to come as well but we don't have the roster room for that.

Nowhere did I say trade anything for AK. He is what he is. That's also why I said Memo should be the starter unless there is a better option. Face it, Koufous and Fes are busts already. If the Jazz didn't have so much invested in Fesenko already, they would have already cut ties with him.

I wasn't knocking what you said, I was trying to build upon your idea. It doesn't make sense to say that because CJ makes x amount of dollars he should start when Memo makes more money and doesn't.

fivas, peole are called busts before they even finish college. People are entitled to their opinion. I think that he will be fine.

carrottop12 · Post #15 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:28 pm

Why wouldn't we just start Korver over CJ then if it's mainly for shooting?

hoops4life · Post #16 » by **hoops4life** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:38 pm

I don't think that Fes is really going to amount to anything in the league. He won't be a starter.

gonzo · Post #17 » by **gonzo** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:37 pm

Don't read too much into 'starting.' Brewer hasn't seen 'starter' minutes since Korver rolled into town. He starts the game and second half, but we all know who finishes. Hypothetically, you could play CJ the same way (at SF). It would change the look of your second unit some. But why tamper? Give CJ his minutes off the bench. Start or not, the same guys will be the 'closers' and play significant minutes as last year.

gojazzmjsucks · Post #18 » by **gojazzmjsucks** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:54 pm

I agree with Gonzo we don't need to rattle up our line up!Our starters are one of the best in the league!We need a back up center to play a small role that's it now and we can win a ring with that!You don't have to be perfect to win a ring,just damn good and we are right now with out any moves!Its all about closing and that i think will come with experience which is growing as this team gets older!

gojazzmjsucks · Post #19 » by **gojazzmjsucks** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:56 pm

we can throw a line up at any type of team because we are so deep!I would like to see a small move before the season or see either Koufos or Fes step up in camp!

erudite23 · Post #20 » by **erudite23** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:11 pm

I have a serious issue with the use of the word "logical" here. Definitely not appropriate.

CJ is getting paid somewhere in the vicinity of 3m next season. That is relative chump change in this league, where the average salary is 5m. That means he's making somewhere around 65% of what the average NBA player makes....and that makes him a must-start how?

Listen, the CJ move is very simple. We thought that, given the quality of player he is likely to become, that it was worth the risk to pay him what he is going to get paid. Its really just that simple.

If CJ replaces anyone on our team it will be Korver. He plays an entirely different game than Matty does, and we really need what Harp brings us in terms of toughness, hustle, veteran leadership, and low post offense.

Everyone needs to quit trying to figure out what the master plan with CJ is. He's a good prospect who might become a good player. Its that simple.