Orlando-Utah trade idea

MagicHolland · Post #1 » by **MagicHolland** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:44 pm

I didn't see a trade discussion thread so I'll start a new one. What do you guys think about a Hedo for Korver/Millsap trade? Would you guys do that? i'd think it wuld definately help out in the shooting department. And he is a very clutch player. Let me know!

carrottop12 · Post #2 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:53 pm

MagicHolland wrote:I didn't see a trade discussion thread so I'll start a new one. What do you guys think about a Hedo for Korver/Millsap trade? Would you guys do that? i'd think it wuld definately help out in the shooting department. And he is a very clutch player. Let me know!

Honestly, I would be surprised if the Jazz would trade either of those guys straight up for Hedo. They would probably trade Korver for him, but they wouldn't give up Millsap straight up for Hedo.

sendai91 · Post #3 » by **sendai91** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:13 pm

Great question about the Hedo trade. Here's the issue for the Jazz - they would have a ton of money invested at the 3 between AK and Hedo, and are giving up our best interior defender (Milsap) on the team for Hedo, who isn't known for lock-down defense.

You may not be interested in this deal, but Kirilenko and Collins for Hedo, Battie and Brian Cook works in the trade checker. You'd have an incredible defensive frontcourt in AK and Howard manning the post, and the versatility of Lewis and AK would be fun to watch.

The Jazz would definitely benefit from Hedo on the team, and would either cut Battie and Cook or absorb their salary for a year saving some $ in the long run.

babyjax13 · Post #4 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:19 pm

Hedo has had one good year, and you'd be willing to trade AK for him? And on top of that to trade AK, and an expiring that has some value for fillers as bad as Battie and Cook is rediculous. Also I don't think Okur and Hedo have the best relationship in the world. For me it's a no with AK involved. The only thing I can see working is Korver+Collins+ our 2010 or 2011 1st (whichever year we get New York's pick).

Fido · Post #5 » by **Fido** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:05 pm

To further complicate a trade, KOC confirmed on KFAN a while back that the Jazz CAN'T trade a draft pick if it MIGHT be the pick that we send to Philadelphia from the Korver deal. That pick is conditional between now and 2014 so we can't be trading any pick before then UNTIL we actually send Philly their pick. This includes the NYK pick because there is a chance (however remote) that pick could go to Philly under the right conditions.

hoops4life · Post #6 » by **hoops4life** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:25 pm

Jazz wouldn't do Korver and Milsap for Hedo.

Hedo's and Okur's relationship is fine. It was iffy there for awhile but they have worked it out. It mainly had to do with the Turkish coach if I remember correctly.

sendai91 · Post #7 » by **sendai91** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:57 pm

Yes, I would deal AK for the package above. With D-Will's new contract, we can't afford AK after this year if we want any shot of keeping Boozer and Okur. Through this trade, we save a little over $1 million this year, we are even in salaries next year (but Hedo, Battie and Cook all expire at the end of that year) and we trim AK's $18 million off the books in 2010-11.

Because Battie and Cook both expire next year, they should be relatively easy to trade or buy out if needed.

The way I see it, if we don't move AK this year, we are able to sign two, and just maybe three of the following five players to long-term deals: Boozer, Okur, Korver, Milsap and Brewer.

If we move AK, we can keep at least four and maybe all of them if we play our financial cards right.

Moving AK's salary for a package of talent (Hedo) and expirings (albeit year after next) is probably the best we can hope for.

dr0welf · Post #8 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:29 am

I don't like Hedo so I'm biased but there is no way I would trade AK for Hedo. I know Hedo had a good year but I don't see him getting the same opportunities in our system. I would rather have the defensive AK.

Post #9 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:44 am

No way I'd trade Korver and Millsap for Hedo. With respect to MagicHolland, why would we trade our best shooter to get help in the "shooting department?"

MagicHolland · Post #10 » by **MagicHolland** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:40 pm

JStockLivesOn wrote:No way I'd trade Korver and Millsap for Hedo. With respect to MagicHolland, why would we trade our best shooter to get help in the "shooting department?"

Good point, but Hedo is a better player overall and still gives you the outside shooting.

Maybe if we'd adjust it a little to Millsap and Harpring for Hedo? What exactly is the Jazz's most pressing need? A shooting guard? Defensive backup C?

fivas14 · Post #11 » by **fivas14** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:41 pm

MagicHolland wrote:
JStockLivesOn wrote:No way I'd trade Korver and Millsap for Hedo. With respect to MagicHolland, why would we trade our best shooter to get help in the "shooting department?"

Good point, but Hedo is a better player overall and still gives you the outside shooting.

Maybe if we'd adjust it a little to Millsap and Harpring for Hedo? What exactly is the Jazz's most pressing need? A shooting guard? Defensive backup C?

This may sound odd to you but Milsap is one of our most valuable player he's un tradable, he's the best player for his money in the leauge.

JDubJazz · Post #12 » by **JDubJazz** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:21 pm

fivas14 wrote:
MagicHolland wrote:
JStockLivesOn wrote:No way I'd trade Korver and Millsap for Hedo. With respect to MagicHolland, why would we trade our best shooter to get help in the "shooting department?"

Good point, but Hedo is a better player overall and still gives you the outside shooting.

Maybe if we'd adjust it a little to Millsap and Harpring for Hedo? What exactly is the Jazz's most pressing need? A shooting guard? Defensive backup C?

This may sound odd to you but Milsap is one of our most valuable player he's un tradable, he's the best player for his money in the leauge.

Fivas14, this is the kind of thing that makes you sound like a rediculous homer. Milsap is not untradeable, in fact its the exact opposite. he's one of our most tradeable assets. Do not be surprised if he is the carrot that we dangle in order to get someone to take AK's contract.

I'm not trying to pounce all over you, fivas, but it drives me absolutely nuts to see so many posters (not just on Jazz forums) that rediculously overrate their bench players. If these players were as good as their fans think, then they would be starting. There is a reason guys like Millsap are situational players and not 35-40 mpg gamers. They have big holes in their games!

fivas14 · Post #13 » by **fivas14** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:33 pm

Milsap being untradable = for what teams would give up for him.

BiggMann · Post #14 » by **BiggMann** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:38 pm

JDubJazz wrote:
This may sound odd to you but Milsap is one of our most valuable player he's un tradable, he's the best player for his money in the leauge

Fivas14, this is the kind of thing that makes you sound like a rediculous homer. Milsap is not untradeable, in fact its the exact opposite. he's one of our most tradeable assets. Do not be surprised if he is the carrot that we dangle in order to get someone to take AK's contract.

I'm not trying to pounce all over you, fivas, but it drives me absolutely nuts to see so many posters (not just on Jazz forums) that rediculously overrate their bench players. If these players were as good as their fans think, then they would be starting. There is a reason guys like Millsap are situational players and not 35-40 mpg gamers. They have big holes in their games!

Ya it's called Carlos Boozer
:crazy:

Fact of the matter is Milsap is as close as it gets to untradable right now, because he DOES have the ability to step in and play 30+ minutes a game if we are unable to pay Boozers asking price.

Hedo would be a great assest and the ONLY package I would consider would Korver, Harpring and Collins. That would clear up the log jam at the 3 and our bench would be pretty damn sick.

Deron / Brevan / Price
Brewer / CJ / Almond
AK / Hedo
Boozer / Milsap
Okur / Fes / Koufos

That's a 13 man roster (unless Orlando add's more to the trade), gives us the flexability the front office covets and that's a DEEP SQUAD top to bottom!

JDubJazz · Post #15 » by **JDubJazz** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:18 pm

[quote="BiggMann
Ya it's called Carlos Boozer
:crazy:

Fact of the matter is Milsap is as close as it gets to untradable right now, because he DOES have the ability to step in and play 30+ minutes a game if we are unable to pay Boozers asking price.

Hedo would be a great assest and the ONLY package I would consider would Korver, Harpring and Collins. That would clear up the log jam at the 3 and our bench would be pretty damn sick.

Deron / Brevan / Price
Brewer / CJ / Almond
AK / Hedo
Boozer / Milsap
Okur / Fes / Koufos

That's a 13 man roster (unless Orlando add's more to the trade), gives us the flexability the front office covets and that's a DEEP SQUAD top to bottom![/quote]

I strongly disagree with that assessment. Millsap is too small to play PF more than about 10-15 minutes per game. Some players are great in small doses, but struggle when asked to play larger roles (see Harpring, Matt). To me that is exactly what Paul Millsap is, a great role player who can give you solid bench play, but if you stick up against bigger guys for very long, he will end up being exploited on both ends of the court.

BiggMann · Post #16 » by **BiggMann** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:28 pm

Wow. I guess we are watching two different Paul Milsap's.

I thought he played very effective against the bigger players, and if you think he's too small to play PF your sorely mistaken. That's something reserved for NBA scouts that are watching young players coming into the league, Milsap has proven that even at his 6'8" frame he's able to bang with the best of them... and come on Paul weighs upwards of 260lbs, that's not undersized! Plus his basketball IQ more than makes up for what ever he supposed lacks in "Size".

You trade Milsap and then what are we stuck with in the 2nd team? Koufos? Collins? Come on JDub, Milsap is a VERY important piece to our puzzle. I know your just stirring controversy, it's what your good at, but what your saying has really docked your credibility.

JDubJazz · Post #17 » by **JDubJazz** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:06 pm

BiggMann wrote:Wow. I guess we are watching two different Paul Milsap's.

I thought he played very effective against the bigger players, and if you think he's too small to play PF your sorely mistaken. That's something reserved for NBA scouts that are watching young players coming into the league, Milsap has proven that even at his 6'8" frame he's able to bang with the best of them... and come on Paul weighs upwards of 260lbs, that's not undersized! Plus his basketball IQ more than makes up for what ever he supposed lacks in "Size".

You trade Milsap and then what are we stuck with in the 2nd team? Koufos? Collins? Come on JDub, Milsap is a VERY important piece to our puzzle. I know your just stirring controversy, it's what your good at, but what your saying has really docked your credibility.

I love your enthusiasm, Biggmann, but I dare say a lot more GMs would agree with my assesment of Paul Millsap, than yours. Go right ahead, though. Keep thinking that every Jazz 7-12th man is a budding NBA all-star. I just hope you are the type that deals well with disappointment.

For what its worth, though, I hope you are right. I'd love to see Millsap explode and become an NBA force. I jut don't see it though. In the last 30 years I can think of two NBA PFs with Millsap's size that were stars: Dantley and Barkley. Both of those guys were just tremendous offensive players. Millsap can't even come close to that level right now. I'm sorry to say it because I've grown quite tired of Boozer and his lack of defensive effort, but if you think we can dump him and just have Milsap step up and take his place; then I think you are in for a rude awakening.

hoops4life · Post #18 » by **hoops4life** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:40 pm

Milsap is the sixth man. He could start for a handful of teams. I don't think that he is a budding all-star. His production vs his salary is an amazing ratio... probably one of the tops in the league. It would be very difficult to trade him and get something back equal to that.

JDubJazz · Post #19 » by **JDubJazz** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:56 pm

hoops4life wrote:Milsap is the sixth man. He could start for a handful of teams. I don't think that he is a budding all-star. His production vs his salary is an amazing ratio... probably one of the tops in the league. It would be very difficult to trade him and get something back equal to that.

Yes, I agree that his production based on his salary is quite high, as it is for nearly every successful NBA player still on a rookie contract. As far as getting back equal value in a trade, it depends on the team's goals. If the Jazz could just wipe Andrei Kirilenko's contract off the books and all it took to do it was throwing in Paul Millsap, they might think that is excellent return, though as fan's, we would probably be pissed.

hoops4life · Post #20 » by **hoops4life** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:19 pm

Milsap isn't just on a rookie contract, he is a on second rounder contract which is a difference in about $3 mil.

I don't think that they have to just "throw" in Milsap to trade Ak. PHX was offering Marion. Who is a great player with value. That is really the only trade that we have heard about too.