Let Boozer walk after 08/09???

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Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#1 » by deron-fan » Fri Aug 8, 2008 3:45 am

I know it sounds crazy, but I have been thinking about this for a few days now. When I saw one of the new threads here, more on this later, I decided to sign-up and throw my idea out to the Jazz community. The question is: What if the Jazz let Boozer go after this next season?

Note: My argument doesn't rely on us getting any value for Boozer, though if we could, that would be nice too.

The Cons:
    Carlos is a top five power foward in the league. Reliable 20/10 is hard to come by (and expensive too).
    Losing Carlos may hurt team chemistry (meaning Deron).
    Carlos is a proven commodity and the Jazz already know who they are with him in the lineup. Losing him would bring a lot of uncertainty and could drop the Jazz from the elite in the West. Again, this could hurt our chances of keeping Deron.
    I don't want him dropping 32 and 18 on us any time soon.

The Pros:
    Carlos, among others, is likely to opt out and demand a significant raise (which he does deserve based on his production). Keeping him would likely push us well into the luxury tax and could mean we lose some of our good prospects in the future (Millsap, Brewer). Without him, I think we stay under. Also, on a more minor note, the Jazz even with the payroll as it is still don't even make money every year. I know Larry has a lot, but there are only so many millions anyone can lose. I don't think we'd be in danger of losing our team any time soon, but you never know.
    This next one is really the crux of my argument and is something I had been thinking for a while. A recent thread here solidified my feelings. I think AK's game is more suited to power-forward and I think his game would blossom again if he were to play more of a central role. From the other thread: AK's points per possession were higher than Boozer's as a PF, a lot of this was from more free-throw attempts per game which compensated for his lower FG%. AK's blocks per game were significantly higher as a result of him being closer to the basket (a lot of teams are keeping their 3 in the corner to take AK away from the basket). We also know now that AK has an ego. Give him more responsibility and I think we'll see more effort a.k.a his all-star year.
    Moving AK to PF clears up some logjam. Separate pros and cons for this lineup will follow.

The tenative Jazz lineup 09/10 without Boozer:
PG: Deron, Price/Knight
SG: Brewer, Almond, Price
SF: CJ, Korver, AK if need be on occassion due to CJ's inexperience (I have Harpring retiring)
PF: AK, Millsap
C: Memo, Collins/Koufos, Fez

Cons:
    As noted above, this lineup is unproven. A lot of my idea hinges upon the development of CJ (his per 48's improved almost more than anyone on the team last year though).
    I haven't decided whether this lineup can be as productive offensively. Boozer is the leading scorer now.

Pros:
    We clear out the logjam we have and give our young guys the time they need to develop (who knows if they will though)
    I think this lineup is better defensively. AK is inside again on defense. We keep our athleticism at the wings and AK is more agile (Odom defense) than Boozer.
    We have more 3 point threats on the court at any one time (Deron, CJ, AK, Memo are all threats; bench has Korver, Almond, and Price who can hit them on occassion).
    Possibly free up a few more minutes for Millsap while fully recognizing he is not a Boozer replacement.

Hopefully my first post doesn't get me torn to shreds, I've likely not thought through all angles. So, what do you think?
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Re: Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#2 » by carrottop12 » Fri Aug 8, 2008 4:09 am

Thanks captain obvious you ***** *** ** ******* *** * **** * ******** ****.

Hahahahaha, just kidding, and welcome to the board, good to have you.

You're absolutely right, there is no promise that the Jazz will bring Boozer back after next season.

Basically the Jazz have 2 options and they know it. Move AK and resign Boozer. Or let Boozer walk and go with AK at PF.

They simply can't have the salaries of the two of them on the team.

I think they realize that Boozer is a more productive NBA player and a better fit when competing for a championship.
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Re: Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#3 » by dreamcloud » Fri Aug 8, 2008 7:15 am

As a Blazers' fan, I completely favor this idea :D
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Post#4 » by freakazoid » Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:19 pm

dreamcloud wrote:As a Blazers' fan, I completely favor this idea :D


As would any western team not named Jazz.


Under no circumstances should you ever let a player of Booze's caliber walk without getting something in return.

If you have a Corvette and a Pinto, and the Pinto gets better gas mileage, do you give the Corvette away for free so you can save money on gas by driving the Pinto? Hell no. You sell the Vette for as much as you can get, so that when that POS Pinto breaks down you'll have the money to have it towed. Eventually, you'll just wish you had kept the Vette.
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Post#5 » by hoops4life » Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:28 pm

I wouldn't just let him walk unless you were going to try and sign one of the big name FA's the next season. At least do a trade and get something worth while back.
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Re: Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#6 » by loserX » Fri Aug 8, 2008 5:14 pm

^Unlikely. My guess is that we will keep him this season and see how it goes...if we struggle, we may trade him. If we look like real contenders, we will keep him all season, he will opt out, and we will have to take our chances in the off-season. I suspect that if we're doing well, we're not going to trade him "just to get something back".

(If he REALLY just wants the money, we could always S&T him next off-season. There aren't a lot of teams that will be able to, and would, offer him enough that he would out-and-out walk.)
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Post#7 » by jazzfan1971 » Fri Aug 8, 2008 5:21 pm

I would guess Boozer is a Jazzman for a long time coming.
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Re: Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#8 » by hoops4life » Fri Aug 8, 2008 5:28 pm

loserX wrote:^Unlikely. My guess is that we will keep him this season and see how it goes...if we struggle, we may trade him. If we look like real contenders, we will keep him all season, he will opt out, and we will have to take our chances in the off-season. I suspect that if we're doing well, we're not going to trade him "just to get something back".

(If he REALLY just wants the money, we could always S&T him next off-season. There aren't a lot of teams that will be able to, and would, offer him enough that he would out-and-out walk.)


Right, I was just throwing it out there. Even if we struggle, I would imagine that we would hold on to him and try to resign him. Jazz are too conservative to pull the trigger on a deal.
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Re: Let Boozer walk after 08/09??? 

Post#9 » by BiggMann » Fri Aug 8, 2008 8:02 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I would guess Boozer is a Jazzman for a long time coming.


Well the whatever contract he gets offered the Jazz will certainly match, which COULD make him a jazzzman for a long time... however there are plenty of S&T options next summer, we've got more than Boozer to worry about, Memo is just as important if you ask me.

Next offseason will be HUGE for Utah, KOC really gonna have to earn his paycheck, next offseason could make or break this team. Boozer, Memo and probably Korver will all opt out and we've got to lock up Brew and Paul. If we can somehow get rid of Harprings hefty contract it could solve a lot of problems.
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