Pacers trade

[jazzed77]

What would you all think of a trade centered around Boozer for Granger? Something like Booz, Collins, Almond for a Foster & a S/T Granger? That would move AK to the PF spot where I think he's most effective and give the Pacers a legitimate PF as well.....I like Booz but still feel he's gonna leave & that it will be easier to get value for him than for AK....

[carrottop12]

What would you all think of a trade centered around Boozer for Granger? Something like Booz, Collins, Almond for a Foster & a S/T Granger? That would move AK to the PF spot where I think he's most effective and give the Pacers a legitimate PF as well.....I like Booz but still feel he's gonna leave & that it will be easier to get value for him than for AK....

That's an awful trade.

[hoops4life]

I don't think it is that bad but there is no way that Indy does it.

A lot of it depends on what you think Boozer will do and if you think AK can hack it as a pf.

[gonnadunkonU]

No thanks. I'd rather take my chances with Boozer and his contract sitatuation.

[Fido]

Nope--I stick with Boozer on this one.

[The Sheik]

Couple issues.

1. Granger cant S&T till next summer and by then Boozer will be a FA.
2. Unless Sloan commits to playing an uptempo style there is no point in playing AK at the 4.

This is a system team, it calls for a high percentage scoring PF. AK is not that. Boozer is, gotta take the good with the bad.

[The Sheik]

Here is a more realistic trade involving the Pacers.

The trade cant be completed till after Sept. 9th.

Jazz Trade:

AK and Mo

Pacers Trade:

Rasho, Jeff Foster and use a trade exception acquired from the O'Neal trade.

Opens up minutes for CJ and Ronnie Price(as a combo guard), Korver starts alongside Brewer. Both contracts are expiring and the Jazz clear AKs entire contract. I would like it if Indiana would take a future 1st and we could waive Rasho to set the roster at 15.

[carrottop12]

Here is a more realistic trade involving the Pacers.

The trade cant be completed till after Sept. 9th.

Jazz Trade:

AK and Mo

Pacers Trade:

Rasho, Jeff Foster and use a trade exception acquired from the O'Neal trade.

Opens up minutes for CJ and Ronnie Price(as a combo guard), Korver starts alongside Brewer. Both contracts are expiring and the Jazz clear AKs entire contract. I would like it if Indiana would take a future 1st and we could waive Rasho to set the roster at 15.

Much more realistic, Jazz get two decent pieces for next season, and a lot of financial space with Rasho and Jeff Foster expiring this year, and get the big trade exception.

That would be a very productive trade for the Jazz.

[TheOneAndOnly]

its no secret Bird likes Almond, so I could see him as part of a package to Indiana.

how about Almond, Fesenko, Koufos for Foster and Hibbert?

Williams / Price / Knight
Brewer / Korver / Miles
Kirilenko / Harpring
Boozer / Millsap
Okur / Foster / Hibbert

NICE!

[The Sheik]

First off that doesnt work financially. Secondly have you read anything on this board? We are trying to free up cap space, not get from under our 3 most affordable contracts.

Thats a terrible trade.

[jazzed77]

Here is a more realistic trade involving the Pacers.

The trade cant be completed till after Sept. 9th.

Jazz Trade:

AK and Mo

Pacers Trade:

Rasho, Jeff Foster and use a trade exception acquired from the O'Neal trade.

Opens up minutes for CJ and Ronnie Price(as a combo guard), Korver starts alongside Brewer. Both contracts are expiring and the Jazz clear AKs entire contract. I would like it if Indiana would take a future 1st and we could waive Rasho to set the roster at 15.

Much more realistic, Jazz get two decent pieces for next season, and a lot of financial space with Rasho and Jeff Foster expiring this year, and get the big trade exception.

That would be a very productive trade for the Jazz.

much more realstic? how exactly? like the pacers wanna add AK's salary? why? so they can have 3 starting SF's(if others are right about AK not being able to play the 4, altho he played his best there) you realize with that trade the PAcers basicly have Hibbert at C right? as far as my trade being horrible I guess either you haven't watched Granger or you don't like his versatile game as much as I do(he seems like Artest w/o the craziness IMHO)....

[The Sheik]

^^^

AK wont be great here because he is an uptempo 4, and we dont run an uptempo system. Jim O'Brien does. As for why Indiana would add the salary, who are they going to lure there in the next 2 yrs? Nobody. They can at least compete for a playoff spot or tank and get a high pick. They like Baston and Hibbert and could easily go with them and even Murphy at C.

Your trade is Horrible because it does not work. Use the trade checker at least...sheesh. Even if the Pacers signed Granger to a contract extension he would have a Poison Pill Provision on it, much like Deron does now.

[fivas14]

Man, hopefully a lot of people on the Jazz board are never GMs.

[JStockLivesOn]

I like Granger, but I don't like this trade. Even if AK started at PF, I don't think he could play all of his minutes there on account of the physical demands and the fact that Millsap will continue to demand more and more playing time. That would mean, we'd have Granger, Harpring, Brewer, and CJ t the swing position, with AK logging a few minutes too. There's just not enough PT to go around.

I'd be much more receptive to Sheik's cap-clearing trade, which also nets us one-year loans of two extremely servicable big men, while opening up minutes for CJ.

On the other hand, LoserX made a very good argument for keeping AK on another thread. What if we trade Kirilenko to clear cap room for Booz, and Booz just leaves anyway? Then we've basically gutted our team. We'd have plenty of room to sign FAs, but I doubt Deron would be very happy with the development.

[awesomator]

All those trades are awful...

Also, for some reason lots of Jazz fans like Foster. I see his name pop up in trade ideas all the time. Get over it, he blows. He is a Jarron Collins clone and would bring us nothing at all.

There is absolutely nothing we want from Indiana with exception to a Hibbert for Fes or Kofous trade. Move along.

[JStockLivesOn]

People may be too high on Foster, but to describe him as a Collins clone is a bit harsh. The most rebounds Collins has ever averaged is 4.2 in 22 minutes. Foster's career high is 9, but in the year that he averaged 22 minutes (2001-2002), he averaged 6.8. Now, is it fair to say that the only skill Foster has is his nose for rebounding? Absolutely. But if I had a straight-up choice between him and a guy like Collins, who isn't really atrocious at anything, but also isn't good at anything, I'd take Foster, the guy who has something he excels at.

No way in the world I'd do Koufos for Hibbert. Kosta's potential is easily greater than Roy's, and even though Roy is a slightly better player now, he's pretty close to his ceiling already. Kosta has pretty decent athletic ability and infinite room to improve, whereas Hibbert is a pretty polished player, but slow as a snail in molasses and barely able to get off the floor.

[Duiz]

Kosta's potential is easily greater than Roy's, and even though Roy is a slightly better player now, he's pretty close to his ceiling already.

Sorry, this is a bit offtopic, but I read this line first, before the first paragraph, and I was about to grab a Bazooka and say....



This dude is a stud. WTF are you smoking. Then I realized the context of the paragraph.

[awesomator]

Okay, I'll give you that he is an above average rebounder... on a team with no bigs. Someone is going to get them. Jermaine O'neal and Rasho Nesterovich aren't exactly premier rebounders. Foster would find it hard to even see the floor for the Jazz, and find it even harder to come close to his averages in rebounds with Booze, Ak, Memo, and Sap crashing the glass. He may be slightly better than JC, slighty, but we still want no part of him and his 5.5 mm contract (twice as much as JC).

[carrottop12]

much more realstic? how exactly? like the pacers wanna add AK's salary? why? so they can have 3 starting SF's(if others are right about AK not being able to play the 4, altho he played his best there) you realize with that trade the PAcers basicly have Hibbert at C right? as far as my trade being horrible I guess either you haven't watched Granger or you don't like his versatile game as much as I do(he seems like Artest w/o the craziness IMHO)....

For one thing, they would move AK to the four and have very versatile line up with Dunleavy, and more importantly AK and Granger. That is ideal for the system that Jim O'Brien runs.

Second, it would move Troy Murhpy to C which is fine in O'Brien's system, this wouldn't be a new position for him. He's played C plently during his career. Then they start developing Roy Hibbert behind him which as a 4 year college Center on a team that is completely rebuilding really isn't a stretch at all.

And Third, nobody is right about AK not being able to play the four. He played his best ball there, and if he went to the East it would get even easier. Who is there in the East that could match up with him at all? Jermaine O'Neal a few times a year, or Elton Brand?

They'd be just fine. Plus they get younger which is ideal for rebuilding teams.

[The Sheik]

You are by far the biggest fool on this board.

Have you ever watched Jeff Foster play? You say he is slightly better then JC.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

Just wow. Wouldnt get his averages. Tell me why we struggled on the glass all season? We had one of our worst rebounding years in a few yrs. For awhile Memo was averaging under 6 boards. AK does not crash the glass whatsoever. If a rebound comes to him then he gets it. We didnt have enough juice from our front court in the playoffs. Both Memo and Booz disappeared. Millsap cant stay out of foul trouble and we have no interior defense. Foster cant block shots, but he plays good D and rotates to help the guards.

While you also criticize his salary you forget that both him, Rasho and Collins have expiring deals. Freeing us from the overrated contract of AK. Its also a great thing to have expiring contracts, its like a gift card for getting something to help your team.