Cavs/Jazz great trade partners

LBusiness · Post #1 » by **LBusiness** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:44 am

This will be the best offer you get for AK47 believe it, were the only team able and willing to take 3 years 70 mill off your hands, his production is down cause he is unhappy and out of position.

Verajao is the type of player that would thrive under coach Sloan, stop being hommers and consider the real value of this trade, cause Boozer will walk on you if the money ain't right.

Trust me he will im from Cleveland.

Cavs give Jazz 2009 2nd,cap relief,young talent:

Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Photo: Matt Harpring
Matt Harpring
Salary: $6,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
Photo: Andrei Kirilenko
Andrei Kirilenko
Salary: $15,106,000 Years Remaining: 3

Outgoing Players: Anderson Varejao, Wally Szczerbiak, Sasha Pavlovic
Utah Jazz

Incoming Players
Photo: Anderson Varejao
Anderson Varejao
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 1

Offer Matched When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet. (Bobcats).
Photo: Wally Szczerbiak
Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $13,775,000 Years Remaining: 1
Photo: Sasha Pavlovic
Sasha Pavlovic
Salary: $4,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Trade #2

Cavs give Jazz 2009 1rst

Ben has a shorter deal that saves the Jazz 15million dollars.

The knock on you guys is that your to soft,Ben will instantly change that.

Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Photo: Andrei Kirilenko
Andrei Kirilenko
Salary: $15,106,000 Years Remaining: 3

Outgoing Players: Ben Wallace
Utah Jazz

Incoming Players
Photo: Ben Wallace
Ben Wallace
Salary: $14,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Andrei Kirilenko

JDubJazz · Post #2 » by **JDubJazz** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:18 pm

Thanks, but no thanks. REALLY.

Cavs 09 1st is useless. If you want Fesenko instead of Kofous, we could maybe talk, but the last thing we need on the roster is another undersized center (Varajao). I also don't expect the Jazz to trade AK for expirings until the deadline. There's no reason to move him any earlier unless we get more in return.

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:05 pm

I don't see why Cavs fans think they are such great trade partners for everyone, they only have on good player on their team (outside of Lebron), and the rest are either junk or one dimensional. And why in the world do we give up Koufos in any of these?

fivas14 · Post #4 » by **fivas14** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:08 pm

A great sig I saw a while back.."Your best trade is the one you don't post"

Fido · Post #5 » by **Fido** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:23 pm

Blah....I don't see how either one does the Jazz any good. The Jazz are NOT looking for cap relief right now. The earliest I see them doing so is either at the trading deadline if they are not in the middle of a playoffs run or next summer if they are.

And where is the "young talent" the Cavs are giving up in this trade? Varejao is almost 26 and has 4 years of league experience. Pavlovic is almost 25 and has 5 years in the league. Eric Snow and Wally Szczerbiak are 30+. By comparison AK is 27, Koufos is 19, and Harpring is 30+. Your argument should say the Cavs get a former all-star and young talent and the Jazz get mid-career pretty average players.

Duiz · Post #6 » by **Duiz** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:41 pm

Doesn't quite work for the Jazz.

GP · Post #7 » by GP » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:20 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I don't see why Cavs fans think they are such great trade partners for everyone, they only have on good player on their team (outside of Lebron), and the rest are either junk or one dimensional. And why in the world do we give up Koufos in any of these?

+1. I agree, no offense, but the whole problem with the cavs is that there is no one else on the team worth anything.

gonzo · Post #8 » by **gonzo** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:39 pm

+/- 1

The cavs have just what we need - Wally's expiring for AK. Don't junk it up with other players, don't look for value. One swap and we go from 10M into the tax in 09, to 6M under. And that's w/o a back-up PG under contract.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6OOcXwIfvK8/SKNIhhPfBXI/AAAAAAAAABk/zMPCd0q81oQ/s1600-h/jazz+salaries.bmp

Now, AK in a Cavs jersey :evil:

and Booze in a Heat jersey? :cry:

Don't we look smart?

Plus look at this:

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/cavaliers.jsp

Plug in AK's salary for 09 where Wally's drops off and the Cavs are right at the tax with only eight players under contract!

I'm pretty sure Cleveland knows they need Wally's salary dump just as much as we do.

babyjax13 · Post #9 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:36 pm

Why shouldn't we look for value? AK is a legit threat on offense, and one of the best, if not the best help defenders in nba history. He is over paid, but I will not take back the steaming pile of sh*t that is Wally Szczerbiak for a former all-star, even if I have no other options....

And why would Booze want to sign back on with the Jazz if we pulled something like this? All it would do is show that we are willing to trade good players in order to keep LHM's pocketbook safe--not what a star power forward wanting to win a championship wants to see.

gonzo · Post #10 » by **gonzo** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:08 am

babyjax13 wrote:Why shouldn't we look for value? AK is a legit threat on offense, and one of the best, if not the best help defenders in nba history. He is over paid, but I will not take back the steaming pile of sh*t that is Wally Szczerbiak for a former all-star, even if I have no other options....

And why would Booze want to sign back on with the Jazz if we pulled something like this? All it would do is show that we are willing to trade good players in order to keep LHM's pocketbook safe--not what a star power forward wanting to win a championship wants to see.

Point A: If that's what Larry wants, there it is, stripped down and steamin' like you say.

Point B: I don't think it is smart to move AK now, before we know how the Booze and Okur situation play out.

Point C: I don't think Cleveland can upgrade to AK anyway. Not with their cap situation.

My two cents on all trades AK for Wally.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #11 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:53 pm

I like AK's game a lot, but Utah is going to have beg someone to take his huge contract from them unless they take an awful contract back in return, which would defeat the purpose.

AK-47 doesn't have much value right now in my opinion.

Post #12 » by **loserX** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:25 pm

cavsfan_osiris wrote:I like AK's game a lot, but Utah is going to have beg someone to take his huge contract from them unless they take an awful contract back in return, which would defeat the purpose.

AK-47 doesn't have much value right now in my opinion.

It's really hard to say. I hang out on the trade board quite a bit...and I can tell you that when Zach Randolph was traded, the best they could do wasn't very good.

Then (almost) everyone said that the Pacers were in the same boat with JO..."nobody" was going to trade for an older, oft-injured player with a questionable attitude and a huge contract. And yet they got a starting PG (with questions of his own), salary relief and a first round pick, and nobody thought the Raptors got screwed. I've pretty much given up making predictions; I wouldn't be surprised if we get a decent deal and I wouldn't be surprised if we get only horrible offers :-?

carrottop12 · Post #13 » by **carrottop12** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:39 pm

It really is such a crap shoot.

Considering Vince Carter basically got 3 filler players.

But then JO gets draft picks and a legit starting PG in the league with a bright future.

Then we hear the Jazz had offers of Shawn Marion and more, and also Vince Carter straight up, and the Jazz turn it down. To me, this means either the Jazz have plenty of offers and are just waiting on the right one to turn up, or the Jazz are idiots and have no idea what they are doing.

LBusiness · Post #14 » by **LBusiness** » Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:25 pm

I edited my post guys , check it out.

babyjax13 · Post #15 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:57 pm

Ben Wallace?

LBusiness · Post #16 » by **LBusiness** » Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:33 am

This is just another example: Why bring in Karl Malone if you got E.Snow to teach your defense
Snow is retiring so you guys would get a 3mill TE from his contract.

Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Photo: Jarron Collins
Jarron Collins
Salary: $2,074,302 Years Remaining: 1
Photo: Andrei Kirilenko
Andrei Kirilenko
Salary: $15,106,000 Years Remaining: 3

Outgoing Players: Anderson Varejao, Eric Snow, Sasha Pavlovic
Utah Jazz

Incoming Players
Photo: Anderson Varejao
Anderson Varejao
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 1

Offer Matched When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet. (Bobcats).
Photo: Eric Snow
Eric Snow
Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 1
Photo: Sasha Pavlovic
Sasha Pavlovic
Salary: $4,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Jarron Collins, Andrei Kirilenko

Fido · Post #17 » by **Fido** » Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:52 pm

Your latest example is as horrible as ever. Eric Snow? He has been done for years now and the team wants to take his $7.something million dollar contract why?

We've made it clear that Varejao and Pavlovic are not attractive. Varejao is expiring but as has been said--the Jazz aren't looking to dump AK for expirings right now. And in sending out AK, the Jazz are losing the best player in the deal. They also have to release someone in this trade because they would be over the 15 player max.

So to summarize, the Jazz would downgrade their talent, water it down into more bodies which they can't use, and eat expiring contracts in exchange for getting rid of AK's too-big contract. :-?

I still say wait until next summer or the trading deadline at least before considering what changes need to be made to address the luxury tax situation next year.