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My plan: trade Okur for Camby, trade Kirilenko and Korver for Szczerbiak and Varejao (or Snow).

Starting lineup of Williams-Miles-Harpring-Boozer-Camby and bench lineup of Knight(Price)-Almond(Szczerbiak)-Brewer-Millsap-Varejao(Collins/Koufos/Fesenko). It's championship written all over it.

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Meanwhile we can trade Collins for Mayor McCheese and bring back Bobby Hansen to be our perimeter defender.

If you are willing to pay Boozer $17M your backup (Milsap) should not be paid that much. We will need a cheaper option for a player with his skills.

Thank the gods you are not GM.

You want to trade 2 of our 4 best players a season after we made the Western Conference Semis with a very young team.... Have you heard of a rash decision? Making a move just to make a move is not a good thing.

Also, why would we want to start Harpring but not Brewer? And CJ does not play 2.... And we are going to trade AK for Szczerbiak and then have him play 3rd string 2-guard?? Eric Snow?!? There is so much more wrong with this "plan" but I'll stop here....

Hey Jozef.... put down the pipe, and slowly back away.

jozef wrote:My plan: trade Okur for Camby, trade Kirilenko and Korver for Szczerbiak and Varejao (or Snow).

Starting lineup of Williams-Miles-Harpring-Boozer-Camby and bench lineup of Knight(Price)-Almond(Szczerbiak)-Brewer-Millsap-Varejao(Collins/Koufos/Fesenko). It's championship written all over it.

Jozef, I love your posts and I believe you're a great contributor to these boards, but I think you're way off on this one. Trading Okur for Camby does make some sense, but I'm not sure I'd do it. It doesn't make us instant contenders and losing Okur might hurt the Jazz more than you think, specially if Boozer walks. Kirilenko and Korver for Szczerbiak and Varejao is just bad. AK is better than Varejao and Korver is better than Wally. Wally's expiring is nice, but if we're trading AK for expirings, I believe we can get a better deal than that. Plus, if Boozer wants 17 million a season, let him walk. Unless he proves this year that he can be a better defender, give him 15 million a year and that's it. I'll be surprised if anyone offers him more than that.

I love jozef... his plan is way off in the goonies, but leave him alone!

If you are willing to pay Boozer $17M your backup (Milsap) should not be paid that much. We will need a cheaper option for a player with his skills.

Millsap needs good contract. Camby would be in Utah for 2 seasons and Vareajo would not be maybe available at all (insert Snow into deal instead of him) so Millsap would be maybe big part of 3-man PF/C rotation with Boozer and Camby. Also if Harpring retires after his contract or if Almond would not fit well enough then Millsap gets minutes at SF as well. In every case he'll be productive and worth of $7M. The payroll can absorb it and stay under luxury level.

You want to trade 2 of our 4 best players a season after we made the Western Conference Semis with a very young team.... Have you heard of a rash decision? Making a move just to make a move is not a good thing.

The team was in WC Finals in 2007. It's not rash decision. With Kirilenko's contract we either get in luxury tax area (owner said "no") or we will not be able re-sign Boozer or Okur. My plan is based on the fact that Boozer is #1 priority (only Dwight Howard averaged 20+p/10+r/.500+fg%) and Williams/Boozer picknroll is Jazz biggest weapon. So I acquire defensive athletic center to play alongside Carlos and give young well-shooting athletic wing to play SG. That's basketball fundamental team setting. Why should we pay $15M to Kirilenko? Why should we play Okur beside Boozer?

Also, why would we want to start Harpring but not Brewer? And CJ does not play 2.... And we are going to trade AK for Szczerbiak and then have him play 3rd string 2-guard?? Eric Snow?!?

Harpring sets tone with his execution and toughness. I put a lot of importance into start. He is a veteran, nobody can bully him. Szczerbiak is expiring contract. He would be safety man at SG/SF, that's all. Snow could be released.

Trading Okur for Camby does make some sense, but I'm not sure I'd do it. It doesn't make us instant contenders and losing Okur might hurt the Jazz more than you think, specially if Boozer walks.Plus, if Boozer wants 17 million a season, let him walk. Unless he proves this year that he can be a better defender, give him 15 million a year and that's it. I'll be surprised if anyone offers him more than that.

I think it does make us instant contender. Camby averaged 13+ rebs and 3.6 blks in 35 minutes. He had 11 blocks versus Jazz. We would come from weakest shotblocking center to the best shotblocking center. 15 or 17? No team would let slip Boozer out of its hands for 2 millions. Kidd, Marbury and Iverson makes $21 M. As far as defense I give you reg season stats of blocks per 36 mins (www.basketball-reference): 1997: Malone 0.6, Ostertag 3.0, 2008: Boozer 0.5, Okur 0.4.

Kirilenko and Korver for Szczerbiak and Varejao is just bad. AK is better than Varejao and Korver is better than Wally. Wally's expiring is nice, but if we're trading AK for expirings, I believe we can get a better deal than that.

Ak will make 15, 16.5 and 17.8 M. I don't think we can get better deal. To be honest, I think Cleveland would insist on Snow instead of Varejao.

Well, don't leave me alone! I like to read reactions and DISCUSS it further.

In my honest oppinion ... not. Sorry man, but it's horrible.

You can explain it all you want Jozef...its still a terrible trade.

IMO there are plenty of deals for just AK that can wipe out his contract. There is no need to trade AK and KK for Wally world and Snow.

It makes more sense to trade Boozer then Memo.

lastly I will just say that Marcus Cambys defense is overrated by his bpg.

But then again we need a shot blocking C...remember.

And to be fair, I'm not sure why Clippers would trade Camby for Okur. They were celebrating adding him at that salary for nothing but cap space. I don't think they trade for a guy who could opt out next year--or if he comes back do so at a higher price than Camby's deal.

Fido wrote:And to be fair, I'm not sure why Clippers would trade Camby for Okur. They were celebrating adding him at that salary for nothing but cap space. I don't think they trade for a guy who could opt out next year--or if he comes back do so at a higher price than Camby's deal.

I think the Clippers would do it in a second. They need a PF more than they need two starting centers, and they'd be getting Okur for a second round pick. Okur can't opt out, he can terminate his contract early. If he does that the last year's salary is not guaranteed.

Cleveland isn't trading Snow. He already turned in his retirement papers to the League. The Cavs have the 2nd highest payroll and are deep in the luxury tax. Factoring in Snow's salary and the lux tax, they will save approx 14 mil once his retirement is officially approved.

Sorry man, but it's horrible.
You can explain it all you want Jozef...its still a terrible trade.

Why? Details, please.

IMO there are plenty of deals for just AK that can wipe out his contract. There is no need to trade AK and KK for Wally world and Snow.

Name few of better deals, please.

And to be fair, I'm not sure why Clippers would trade Camby for Okur.

Clippers have shotblocking center in Kaman.

Because your trade is unrealistic.

Why would we blow up the team a month before the season starts? Why would we mess up team chemistry? You make the ridiculous assumption that this would win us a title and I very much disagree with you. Wally is worse then Korver and we dont get enough minutes for Millsap as is, why would we trade for Varejo when he wont play a lot.

If your goal is a championship then why wouldnt you just trade Memo for Camby and leave AK?

To answer your clippers question, why would the Clippers trade for Camby when they have a shot blocking C in Kaman? Kaman cant stay healthy and it more of an offensive force then he is a defensive one, just look at Deron dunking on him.

I cant name better deals because even if I do the teams that have better made up trades that I make wont trade an expiring contract for AK. I can list some for you, but it would be pointless because I dont like fantasy ideas like trading for Camby, Varejo and Wally.

I see one realistic trade out there for the Jazz and its to get a backup C like Jeff Foster for instance.

I think Marcus Cambys defense is highly overrated by his BPG. He doesnt shut down the KG, Amare and Duncans of the world.

So like I said, explain all you want, but this idea of yours is no good. You put a lot of thought in it and I respect the fact that you want to improve the team, but this doesnt do that.

Why would we blow up the team a month before the season starts? Why would we mess up team chemistry?

For two reasons: they cannot jump at higher level (the inside help defense is horrendous, the execution gets stalked at times) and they cannot stay together without paying luxury tax. Simple look at numbers shows that we dump AK and still get just so-so under luxury.
I don't care about Wally and KK, I want Miles, Harpring, Brewer, Almond and maybe Millsap to play at SG/SF - all fluid bball players in terms of execution.