Bulls need Milsap! help us help you :-)

[thereacharound]

Looks like it might be tough for you guys to keep all your free agents.

Boozer should be a must keep but maybe he is not. Milsap will be paid in my opinion...OKC or Miami will prolly offer Milsap at least 9 million if they cant get Boozer to agree.

Bulls fan realize Milsap is very good. Undervalued, underappreciated and possibly nearly as good as Boozer. And we realize that you guys would want to keep Milsap in case Boozer goes to Miami or something.

So what kind of trade can we make to get Milsap?

Gordon has "virtually" a no trade claus but if he agrees we will gladly send him...about 99.99% not happening.

Hinrich? Deng? Noc? Hughes (expires 2010)? Tyrus(project)? Noah(cheap energy)? gray (prolly as good as collins or stiffs u guys have had at C in the past)? Thabo(christie type if he ever learns to shoot)? Draft picks? Gooden (very very poor man's Boozer and expiring)? helps you resign your own free agents like Boozer and Memo.

We're obviously keeping Rose unless a top tier talent is coming back but we would also be willing to take on a bad contract if you are willing to take back Hinrich, Noc or both as part of a bigger multi player deal.

In my mind Jazz and Bulls can help each other right now. Is there any deal that makes you guys happy?

[El Turco]

nope. nobody from bulls interests Jazz.

Hinrich? too much money for a back up pg, Deng? Jazz already has overpaid SF in AK, Noc? rather keep Millsap. Jazz most likely is not a player for '10 FA frenzy so no to Hughes, Tyrus is a bust, Millsap>Noah, Gray is a nobody, dont need Thabo, dont want Gooden.

[Lava Rock Kid]

Sorry, I guess I dont watch enough bull bball. Nobody on the bulls appear to be enough of an upgrade for Utah to be work losing Millsap. Rose is talented, but we have dwill. I dont see a reason to trade him to Chicago. Besides if Boozer bolts that Utah just resigns millsap. Also It appears that bulls players are not winners. They have quit on what two coaches now? Jordan would be turning over in his grave if it were not for the mess he has in charlotte.

[Matt007b]

well I think it's good to keep all options open even with the bulls...scary summer for the Jazz.

Every GM probably has Milsap on his target list to get.. it's going to get a little crazy and the bidding war might get extreme. Personally I think Milsap is worth a LOT (rebounding..defence..off the court he stays out of trouble..offence game..) I mean the guy is a GM's dream player..

I don't see one Bull player matching what he's worth, and a few of your players have some off court issues (man i'd be ticked at Gordon after what he did offseason demanding money ect)...it would take multiple players, draft picks and money included and I'd only be in favor of doing that if this team was rebuilding (which we're not)

It's going to be sad if we do lose him though if the bidding war goes bezerk, he's had the right attitude - and fits in our system..personally with boozer's record, and attitude if I had to choose between the two i'd pick milsap. That's how much value he has..and low milage, we all watched what happened with boozer and the cavs, show me the money and i'm gone. And I totally understand why every team/fan out there wants Milsap on their team. Who can blame even this bulls fan for wanting to trade anything to get him, especially with rose and milsap? That's a pretty good future to build around... hopefully that won't happen for us Jazz fans.

[carrottop12]

Alright, so I worked some numbers in the trade checker and I came up with a fair trade.

Jazz send Paul Millsap, Ronnie Price, Jarron Collins and Tadija Dragicevic for Derrick Rose.

Bulls get three bigs, one with potential in Dragicevic and an expiring in Collins plus a back up PG. Jazz get a career back up for Deron Williams.

It's friends helping friends.

[Lava Rock Kid]

If we picked up rose, Sloan would sit him this year because he is a rookie but next year he would play the point guard with Williams at the 2.

THat would make everyone happy.

[DelaneyRudd]

We do not need cap space for a guy who is an expiring contract worth less than a million dollars. There is just no way to get an equal player back for that contract. The Jazz don't really have any bad contracts, aside from AK who isn't as overpaid as people think and is too important to the team to make him contract filler.

[The Sheik]

umm Delaney he is grossly over-paid. He definitley means a lot, but he is nothing more than a great glue guy ala Battier at shouldnt make more then 8mil per. He makes double that.

As for the Bulls they're an awful trade partner. Not one player or players equals Millsap.

[JStockLivesOn]

Yeah, we're just not good trading partners. There's several guys I like on the Bulls -- Rose, Kirk, and Nocioni coming to mind. Rose is obviously your franchise player and doesn't enter into any trade discussions. We're not at all in dire need of a back-up PG, so even though I like KH, trading Millsap for his sizable contract doesn't interest me. And Nocioni doesn't offer anything we don't already have.

Noah is just a considerably less talented version of Paul for me.

With Hughes expiring, though, you guys could probably make a strong play for Millsap over the summer.

[thereacharound]

well...It is likely that we trade trade Hinrich and or Nocioni for an expring this year at the deadline.

Both players have essentially become useless to the Bulls because Rose is the PG and plays 40 mpg. but Both still have values at least equal to an expiring at the deadline this year to a team looking to fill a need.

Kirk played a lot of minutes at off guard/SG and can defend that position so we will dump him at this trade deadline or draft day this upcoming year. He will be gone.

Gooden will not be resigned (about 95% guaranteed) by the Bulls...7.1 million off the Books.

Gordon will be moving on as well (about 98% guaranteed).

When Noc or Hinrich or both are moved for an expring the Bulls will be going after front court help. Boozer and Milsap are the only 2 players we will covet.

Milsap is an RFA. I imagine he is worth no less than 8 million per year. Some GM (OKC, Bulls, MIami) will offer him 10 plus. It will happen.

Boozer will get the MAX by you guys or another team. It will happen.

Ak will get 15.5 next year.

Memo's contract will pay him 12-14 million next year.

You guys can not keep all these guys. 3 teams, OKC, Memphis, Miami will be under the cap as of now. Miami needs a post player desperately. Bulls will be moving Hinrich...and wont resign Gooden or Gordon until after they give Boozer or Milsap a try. Bulls will need to get under the cap to so so and will.

If you keep Memo and Boozer you wont be able to afford Milsap. If you let Boozer go or cant work out a deal with him and he goes to Miami you will be able to afford Milsap but it will cost in excess of 10 million starting salary...easy.

Bulls may not be the best trading partner but they may be willing to give up the most assets...

I personally do not see how your GM can pass on Hinrich and Noah for Milsap, Harpring and Knight.

You get a 7 footer back that is no doubt not as good as Milsap but you get something-a back up C...back up PF that makes little money and gives a lot of energy...will prolly be a good player for sloan

You guys can not keep Milsap(10-12 million), Memo(12-14 milllion), and Boozer (15 million)and still have AK 15 million per season. That's 50-56 million right there. Add deron's extension-13 million and you are at the cap.

Noah helps because he only costs 2.3 million.

Gray potentially helps because he only costs about a million...even if you resign him-2 million tops.

Kirk makes 9 million but is a very tradeable asset. You can move Kirk for an expiring or what have you.

The smart thing to do for you guys is to move AK this point with Milsap. Or move AK with Boozer.

You are losing 1 of either Boozer or Milsap if nothing more than fiscal predence and lux tax concerns unless your owner is willing to exceed it. Boozer may want south beach no matter what and your GM will have to be willing to match at 10 million per offer or higher on Milsap. You see that happening? Utah is not a destination for free agents like Miami or NY or LA so you guys have to be smart and trade for players under contract or severely overpay like you did with AK.

You guys have on of the best PG's in the game today...you have to keep him happy...team competitive. I could see a Hinrich Williams back court as one of the best in the league. Both are around 205 pounds so they are not that small...both defend. Both shoot.

What's going to happen is Miami will almost offer Boozer what max it can offer. The Jazz will try to work out a sign and trade but Miami, like Chicago, is a worse trading partner than us unless they are willing to give up Beasley and Slaon likes Beasely...both unlikely. You can prolly get Haslem back in that deal...but again...Boozer might just be willing to take thier max which isnt that much less than your max.

We will give you Noah...a cheap C...under contract. We might give you Deng. We will def give you Hinrich (which doesn't fit as nicely but is a tradeable asset), we will give you tyrus (i know...he sucks), Thabo ( a very good player and cheap and very sloan friendly, Hughes, Noc, Gray.

We would also be willing to do a sign and trade with Milsap and Gordon but Gordon will prolly still have outrageous contract demands...and is best as a 6th man...but would be great with Deron and Boozer.

At some point you guys will need to become open to getting what you can for Milsap or Boozer in a trade before this deadline or losing them for nothing.

I imagine your GM is hoping for a sign and trade with Boozer.

Then your GM is hoping Milsap only gets an MLE offer...fat chance. Dude is a PF that rebounds and defends and like Boozer is an 18 and 10 machine. Its not your system...or Wiliams. those guys are that good. And Milsap will be offered 10-12 million easy...which your GM might match...then you will lose Memo though...not sure who is more important...a PF in your offense...and AK can play PF or a C like Memo that can shoot very well from the arc.

Trading is the only way you guys get value back...Bulls fans more than willing.

Noah and Hinrich should get us Milsap with Harpring and Knight and Almond as filler. At most we throw in a #1 pick.

[loserX]

^Hinrich has looked rotten at SG next to Rose...I don't see him being much better next to Deron, and we have Brewer there anyway.

You keep saying "you guys can just swap Hinrich for an expiring"...why don't you show us a deal that includes that instead of screwing us over and telling us we can just fix it later ourselves?

And your numbers are hypothetical...but yes, it's entirely possible that we may lose one of Boozer or Millsap. But there will be other teams who will no doubt try to make an offer...the Bulls can't just top "nothing", they have to beat other offers too. And so far you haven't done that.

[thereacharound]

^Hinrich has looked rotten at SG next to Rose...I don't see him being much better next to Deron, and we have Brewer there anyway.

You keep saying "you guys can just swap Hinrich for an expiring"...why don't you show us a deal that includes that instead of screwing us over and telling us we can just fix it later ourselves?

And your numbers are hypothetical...but yes, it's entirely possible that we may lose one of Boozer or Millsap. But there will be other teams who will no doubt try to make an offer...the Bulls can't just top "nothing", they have to beat other offers too. And so far you haven't done that.

That's why you guys would be smart to include AK.

We could send you Deng and Hinrich as principles for a AK and Milsap deal.

Or we could do Noah, Gooden (7.1 expiring) and Noc (8 million) for AK and Milsap.

This way you guys can cut Harpring next summer (unguaranteed) and let Gooden walk which allows you to:

Pay Boozer.
Pay memo
Rid yourselves of AK's contract.
Pick up Noah cheap as a psuedo replacement for Milsap.
Pick up Gooden for this year.
Pick up Noc to play a SF (downgrade but you cant win everything of a trade) Noc at 8 million for Harpring and Ak's 22 million is a win for you guys cuz you need cap management sorely.

You can play Noc at SF ( i know a down grade from Harpring and AK but not a huge down grad and a fraction of the 22 million those 2 cost you.

Noc's deal is front loaded which will help you re-sign Memo and Boozer.

You pick up Noah ( a sloan type of player...100% effort).
Noc is a 100% effort player that sloan will like.
You have Gooden for this year's playoff run.

Bulls could throw in this years unprotected #1 to make it more palatable.

A #1 pick and Noah for Milsap is a good deal seeing that you might lose him anyway or need to grossly over.

so I'm sure is something the Bulls can do for you guys...get some value back and get a pick and or a decent player ro 2 like Noc and Noah.

[loserX]

This way you guys can cut Harpring next summer (unguaranteed)

Harpring's guarantee is contingent on his health. I don't think we can just cut him.

A #1 pick and Noah for Milsap is a good deal seeing that you might lose him anyway or need to grossly over.

You tucked this in as part of all the other hoop-la, but this part here ALONE is a lot closer than anything else you've suggested. Leave out all the Hinrich/Nocioni-for-AK nonsense; it's unnecessary and just makes things worse.

[schneiderjazz]

Someone will offer Sap 10 million a year if he continues to play like he has been playing. If the Jazz are absolutely sure Boozer is staying, the only way I can see the Bulls having Millsap is:
Millsap, Harpring, Collins for Noah, Gooden (expiring) and an unprotected 1st.
We get rid of Harp's contract, get a decent backup big in Noah and open up some cap space for all the extensions that will be kicking in in 2010 and for re-signing Brewer later.
Still, I think about 10 teams in the league would offer more than that.

[The Sheik]

Harprings contract is guaranteed no matter what. If he misses x-amount of games due to his Knee his salary decreses from 6.5 to 2.5. He has however, not missed any games due to knee related injuries.

As for random Bull fan all of your trades are awful.

If Memos agent asked for 12-14 mil he can walk. While I think Boozer will be overpaid...thats his market value. I will overpay to keep Millsap...not Memo though. Anyone stupid enough to offer Memo 3-4 yrs and 36-50 mil can have him.

Schnieder brought up an interesting point and that is packaging Millsap with Harprings contract. If Utah were to trade Millsap it would be contingent on someone taking on that extra yr of Harp. We could throw in Almond and we would need a good role player back and a very good #1 pick.

Problem is that this draft should be considerably worse compared to the last 2 yrs. Also the Jazz would be basically taking themselves out of playoff contention.

I personally think Millsaps gonna break down sooner or later. He is a 6'6", 6'7" PF and takes a lot of abuse on the court as well as dishs it out. I could see him having a Harpring kind twist in his late 20's. early 30's.

[JStockLivesOn]

I didn't want to put it so bluntly, but Noah is garbage. I wouldn't consider him a competent replacement for Kosta Koufos, much less Paul Millsap. If the choice is between getting Noah for Millsap and rolling the dice when he's a free agent, I'll take my chances.

[MeestR]

it seems you're in love with a lot of jazz players and are willing to trade virtually anybody from the bulls to get more of ours. why dont you just switch teams? be a jazz fan. you like our players more anyway.

[edfmx86]

id be sick to my stomach if i ever see Millsap wear a non-jazz jersey. i hope it never happens

[majortripps69]

id be sick to my stomach if i ever see Millsap wear a non-jazz jersey. i hope it never happens

Agreed. But let's be honest, this guy hit the nail on the head. Next year we will not have one of the three. Milsap, Boozer and Okur. One will be gone.

[heathmalc]

unless you trade kirilenko... who the Cavs may be willing to take. The Cavs would prolly take Okur too.

Okur & Harping for Wally Szczerbiak & 2nd round pick (via Chicago)

or

A.Kirilenko & Morris Almond for Wally Szczerbiak, Kinsey & 1st round pick.