The Jazz need to make a trade.

carrottop12 · Post #1 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:23 am

Alright, I try not to make trade threads, but the truth is the Jazz need to do it.

Millsap has had 12 double doubles in a row, he's going to replace Boozer. Might as well move Boozer instead of letting him walk for nothing, get something that can help you win a ring from him. Even if you have to take $.75 on the dollar for him, with Millsap playing this way you can afford to do it.

There is really no reason not to this year. Almost this exact same team lost to the Lakers last year, no way they are going to beat them this year. Change it up, get something going for the future and answer some of the upcoming questions instead of just waiting for other teams to dictate what our roster looks like.

Boozer has a ton of value and the Jazz are close to a championship. Make a deal, let Millsap continue to develop because he's only getting better.

schneiderjazz · Post #2 » by **schneiderjazz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:31 am

If we're gonna trade Boozer, we might as well trade Memo. Jazz can't rebound worth a damn with Sap and Memo on the floor. We're getting outrebounded every night and it's killing us. Sap is grabbing just as many boards as Boozer, but overall we're sucking at rebounding.
I think we should wait until the deadline to do something or at least until Boozer comes back. We might be fired up and go on a nice run once he does. Our first unit will be much better offensively and our 2nd unit will be top 3 in the NBA. I think you might be rushing things up, Bat.

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:35 am

I probably am, and you are right about the rebounding. I just fear that Boozer is going to walk for nothing and the Jazz are in a really good spot to trade him. Millsap is just killing it though, Memo is hurting the Jazz with his lack of toughness.

HammerDunk · Post #4 » by **HammerDunk** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:35 am

I would give my left nut to have someone like Camby on this team right now. I think that would make all the difference. We have enough offense, we don't need our center jacking up jump shots that aren't going in. Now that Brewer and CJ are finding their shots, we really don't need Okur as much. I think it is time to move him as well, see what we can get while his value is still really high as well.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is going to happen. One thing that makes this team great is that they are a long term team, and that is also what is going to prevent this deal from happening. I think they really do think we will win it all with this lineup, and that is our downfall.

schneiderjazz · Post #5 » by **schneiderjazz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:56 am

Batronuj wrote:I probably am, and you are right about the rebounding. I just fear that Boozer is going to walk for nothing and the Jazz are in a really good spot to trade him. Millsap is just killing it though, Memo is hurting the Jazz with his lack of toughness.

Boozer walking would indeed suck, but I'm not even sure which player we could go for if trading him. The only guys I can think of who might be available are Dalembert and Kaman, but they already have Brand and Randolph respectively. We could try a 3 way, but I'm not sure a lot of teams would be interested in Boozer when he could turn out to be a half year rental.

The Sheik · Post #6 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:57 am

Well since last December I have been calling for a semi-rebuild.

One of the "big 3" needs to go. Deron is obviously untouchable and Im speaking of AK, Boozer and Okur.

carrottop12 · Post #7 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:56 am

Yeah, it has to happen, and I think KOC knows it.

KOC has been known to make some good trades i.e. the Deron draft, the Korver for Giri trade, and even the Hill for Fesenko move was a good one.

If he makes a trade, it will be the right thing to do.

The Sheik · Post #8 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:27 am

People burned me about this when I said it, but I will repeat it again. This team as currently constructed will not win a championship. That means it makes no sense to retain the entire team or let pieces walk away for free.

Boozer has the biggest trade value, but he also has big question marks. Now Im not sure if his new team can work out an extension.

But what can we get? Who would really give up good value for him? The first thing that kind of comes to my mind is trading him and Fess for Gerald Wallace, one of Ajinca or May and an unprotected 1st round pick. Maybe a top 5 protected pick. Another one is acquiring a first round pick(s), Haslem and Marion from Miami for Boozer and Harpring. I doubt Miami does it though.

Memo has no value IMO.

If AK plays well maybe someone will take a gamble at the deadline.

carrottop12 · Post #9 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:27 am

The only place I disagree with you Sheik is that Memo doesn't have value.

Anytime you have a center who can produce solid numbers and score consistently he has value. He is also expiring which has value in itself.

If you trade Memo you have to get back a defender and a rebounder which is certainly possible. But you still face the issue of Boozer walking. The Jazz are in kind of a nightmarish situation.

If you loose Boozer you lose your best scorer, if you lose Memo you lose a good scorer, a top 10 Center and risk possible losing Boozer at the same time, if you lose AK you lose your best defender and the guy who can help cover up the dirty work that neither of the other two do.

It make take a trade of two of them to get a couple of pieces that actually get you in championship position, but if you do that you have completely reconstructed your team which may or may not work.

I tell you I'd feel a ton more comfortable if Deron was completely healthy and playing at 100%. It's just so hard to get a grasp on the Jazz when he is only giving you 75% of what he normally does.

HammerDunk · Post #10 » by **HammerDunk** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:33 am

I think Memo has good trade value, but right now is not playing at the level of a top 10 center. I blame him for the last 2 losses, he hasn't stepped it up when we need him the most. At least if we get rid of Boozer, we know Sap can take over if we don't get a great forward back. I would say do Booz and Memo together, only if we get a good starting center and a project PF that is taller than "6'8"" LOL...

Sap is holding his own, doing much better than I thought he would starting. I am impressed he hasn't fouled out of every game. He certainly has a much deeper game than I had given him credit for, and I could see us going places with him if we got a lane clogger center to fight alongside him.

Ming Kong! · Post #11 » by **Ming Kong!** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:21 pm

HammerDunk wrote:I think Memo has good trade value, but right now is not playing at the level of a top 10 center. I blame him for the last 2 losses, he hasn't stepped it up when we need him the most. At least if we get rid of Boozer, we know Sap can take over if we don't get a great forward back. I would say do Booz and Memo together, only if we get a good starting center and a project PF that is taller than "6'8"" LOL...

Sap is holding his own, doing much better than I thought he would starting. I am impressed he hasn't fouled out of every game. He certainly has a much deeper game than I had given him credit for, and I could see us going places with him if we got a lane clogger center to fight alongside him.

You know what would rock, Booz and Memo for Al Jefferson, Craig Smith, and Juwan Howard's contract (expiring $7.4).

Jefferson/Koufos/Fesenko
Millsap/Smith/Collins
Miles/Kirilenko/Harpring
Brewer/Korver/Almond
Williams/Knight/Price

What do you think? The Wolves get some added depth, and more scoring, and they can even let one of these guys go in the offseason if they don't work out.

Jazzfan Bayamon · Post #12 » by **Jazzfan Bayamon** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:44 pm

The Jazz need to... GET HEALTHY

We can't possibly judge tjis team untill we're all healthy and gel "again".

Take this into account: Deron, Boozer and Memo have not played ONE SINGLE GAME together this year.

Be patient.

jozef · Post #13 » by **jozef** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:19 pm

I think last game proved we are nothing without Boozer. Paul Millsap had career game and still there was almost no resemblance of brisk Jazz offense. We looked like .500 team.
Rondo burned Deron. Perkins who cannot shoot at all proved he is more valueable than Memo. Ronnie Brewer will struggle against athletic frontcourt. Paul hustled big time but he is limited to fade away cause of his height and that's not how you run structured offense at top level.

Ming Kong! · Post #14 » by **Ming Kong!** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:25 pm

Jazzfan Bayamon wrote:The Jazz need to... GET HEALTHY

We can't possibly judge tjis team untill we're all healthy and gel "again".

Take this into account: Deron, Boozer and Memo have not played ONE SINGLE GAME together this year.

Be patient.

It's more about getting Millsap more involved. I don't think we can keep him on the bench if we want to keep him. What are we going to do, resign Boozer for $16.5M, and then we have to sign Millsap for some $10M? Resigning two PFs to over $26 for the first year is nuts, especially when you still have to resign Okur for a contract over $10M a year, and you signed Williams to a MAX contract, and you have a handful of other players you need to resign or looks for replacements for them.

Jazzfan Bayamon · Post #15 » by **Jazzfan Bayamon** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:31 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:
Jazzfan Bayamon wrote:The Jazz need to... GET HEALTHY

We can't possibly judge tjis team untill we're all healthy and gel "again".

Take this into account: Deron, Boozer and Memo have not played ONE SINGLE GAME together this year.

Be patient.

It's more about getting Millsap more involved. I don't think we can keep him on the bench if we want to keep him. What are we going to do, resign Boozer for $16.5M, and then we have to sign Millsap for some $10M? Resigning two PFs to over $26 for the first year is nuts, especially when you still have to resign Okur for a contract over $10M a year, and you signed Williams to a MAX contract, and you have a handful of other players you need to resign or looks for replacements for them.

The thing is, that's next year. NOT now. I do believe that if we do lose Boozer to FA, it won't be that bad of a thing, because he will leave us with quite a bit of cap room to deal with and resign Millsap, Memo, etc. That IMO is value enough. However, I do not think there is a trade (with Boozer) that can make us better right now, so, we're good now, and we have $$$ later to deal with things. I do not understand why people think we need something so "badly" that we need to trade Boozer now. Any deal that gives us a player on a multi year deal is a bad deal, and any deal that gives us expirings is just as good as keeping Boozer 'till the end of the year don't ya think?

What we need to happen right now is to GET HEALTHY. When our arguably "top 3" players have NOT played a single game together, our best player and superstar missed like 13 games and is playing at a 03-04 Carlos Arroyo level, when our other supertar has missed 14 games in a row and counting you just cannot have the same expectations we had with our full team (not to mention the countless injuries to other key players like AK, Knight, Korver, etc). Don't put our team under the bus because of that. Like Sloan said, we have to keep trying to win, but we can't get down because we haven't been as good as we hoped our FULL team would have been. Be patient and get healthy, and we'll get there.

Tabasco · Post #16 » by **Tabasco** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:36 pm

All this talk about Millsap replacing Boozer is ridiculous. Question: Are the Jazz winning games right now?

Jazzfan Bayamon · Post #17 » by **Jazzfan Bayamon** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:45 pm

Tabasco wrote:All this talk about Millsap replacing Boozer is ridiculous. Question: Are the Jazz winning games right now?

To tell you the truth, I woudn't mind Millsap replacing Boozer next year if Boozer opts to leave us. Hell, I'd resign Millsap before I negotiate with Boozer.

The difference is, next year, we'd have a full off-pre-season to get used to Millsap as our staring PF. We'd design a rotation and maybe even make a few moves (draft, FAs) to round the roster out. BUT, that's not right now, and that's not this season. So let's just be patient, play this season out, and move on from there.

Tabasco · Post #18 » by **Tabasco** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:09 pm

Well I certainly hope you guys don't get your wish. And I'm not a Boozer homer at all. I just like the Jazz to win.

Jazzfan Bayamon · Post #19 » by **Jazzfan Bayamon** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:49 pm

Tabasco wrote:Well I certainly hope you guys don't get your wish. And I'm not a Boozer homer at all. I just like the Jazz to win.

I think you've missunderstood me, I'm 100% against a Boozer trade right now, and if it were possible, I'm all for keeping everyone (Boozer, Millsap, Memo) long term. I just think if Boozer does want to leave or costs us too much, I'm stocked that we have Millsap who really is awsome.

fivas14 · Post #20 » by **fivas14** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:09 pm

The Jazz aren't going to win the title this year anyways, we might as well trade Boozer for someone we know will be here for the next 3 years. We can stay respectable and competitive and still make the playoffs with Mills starting.