Returning the UTA 1st?

shrink · Post #1 » by **shrink** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:13 am

MIN has potentially four 1st round picks coming next year, and unlike most teams, management is not in a hurry to cash assets to look good. They ended up with your highly protected UTA pick in a deal with Philly for Carney. I'm curious if you have an offer to get it back, either with players or a future pick with more discrete protections. There's no protections on it for you, so it would lessen your uncertainty, and this or the 2010 pick could become tradable assets if you try to acquire talent to make a play-off run this year.

Anyway, loserX can follow up this post, with more precise details on how NYK's standings affect the pick, but here's a summary of your end:

UTA 2009 first round pick
top 22 protected in 2009
top 17 protected in 2010
top 15 protected in 2011
top 16 protected in 2012
top 16 protected in 2013

MIN needs future production, a PG or C, or to move Brian Cardinal's 2 yr deal. I suppose a UTA 2010 pick with different protections is also a possibility. Any ideas?

The Sheik · Post #2 » by **The Sheik** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:36 am

Why would we do that? Look at it from our perspective. Its pretty much almost a certainty that we wont lose our pick this season and no matter what we will likely send our pick to you next year while still having our knicks pick. Even if we dont decide to send it to you(say we are the 8 seed or are in the lottery again) I dont see us being in a rush to reacquire the pick. No matter what it all evens out to where we dont lose a pick.

We are already in a position to make a playoff run, what your suggesting makes no sense for us.

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:44 am

Jazz aren't going to end up with a pick lower then 22, so it is out of the picture for this year.

And honestly the Jazz have relatively little need for a pick next year below 17 considering they have a likely pick in the lottery from New York. The Jazz really aren't looking to get any younger, so one draft pick is quite enough.

The Jazz are set with draft picks, unless somehow the Jazz can swing a deal like hey did for Deron and get a top 3 pick for two later round picks, the Jazz aren't interested, and the likelyhood of the Knicks pick being high enough to package that with another pick is very unlikely.

Post #4 » by **loserX** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:54 pm

The Jazz may also have big luxury tax concerns next year. If we lost a late draft pick with a guaranteed salary, it might not be the worst thing in the world for us. We certainly wouldn't take on Cardinal's contract to get it back, that's for sure.

erudite23 · Post #5 » by **erudite23** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:13 pm

Yeah, doesn't make much sense, unless you would accept Ronnie Price in return for it (which I can't imagine happening, but this IS McHale we're talking about now).

What I can see is maybe us doing a deal for Corey Brewer in return for picks or players on our side. We might be interested even in doing a CJ for Corey deal or something in that vein. We need defensive minded guys, and I would love to give Corey a shot, considering he has been a disaster for them offensively and is now dealing with a serious injury. Seems like the Jazz could send one of their more offensively competent wings in a deal to acquire him. Maybe you could get your terms in a deal like that. I don't know.

shrink · Post #6 » by **shrink** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:29 pm

Ahh .. I get the negative response now, and I guess I deserved it by the way I wrote my post.

I wasn't trying to say the pick was worth a PG, C, Brian Cardinal's contract or a 2010 protected UTA 1st. If the UTA 1st was part of a deal, I was trying to list the components that MIN might value, since I didn't think everyone would be up on MIN's needs.

I thought the pick may be more valuable to you than to us, for the reasons I listed in my initial post, and would therefore make a movable piece to a trade. It sounds like that may not be the case, and I apologize for troubling you.

The Sheik · Post #7 » by **The Sheik** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:52 pm

I dont think any of us were trying to be negative. Its just that the pick has no value to us. When we complete the trade and send the pick to you (barring no more injuries next season) we will have a better pick of our own.

carrottop12 · Post #8 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:54 pm

Yeah, nobody was trying to be hard on you, we were just justifying why the Jazz honestly have no need for that pick if it is in the late 20's.