If boozer doesn't opt out

aad · Post #1 » by **aad** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:51 am

What will happen with millsap because utah is way over the tax

carrottop12 · Post #2 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 5:04 am

Millsap will walk, and the Jazz will have to hope that Koufos can come in and give the Jazz some good minutes of the bench. Or hope they can get another polished big man who falls in the draft in the second round.

I really like Jeff Adrien and wouldn't be surprised to see the Jazz target him in the draft. He's a Millsap like player, and projected to go in the top half of the second round. I would love to see the Jazz make a move to switch picks to get him.

He's only 6'6, but is a beast on the boards, has a good back to the basket game and gets to the free-throw line a ton.

Obviously I'm not expecting him to be as good as Millsap but the Jazz only need 7-15 minutes a game with Kosta back there also. I think he could handle that.

HolyToledo · Post #3 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 5:49 am

Boozer doesnt opt out Jazz need to trade with a team that has cap space. They will have to trade either Boozer or Ak-47 or lose Milsap. I think Jazz find way to keep Milsap and trade Boozer to Detroit for basically nothing.

carrottop12 · Post #4 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 6:46 am

HolyToledo wrote:Boozer doesnt opt out Jazz need to trade with a team that has cap space. They will have to trade either Boozer or Ak-47 or lose Milsap. I think Jazz find way to keep Milsap and trade Boozer to Detroit for basically nothing.

Boozer or AK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Millsap.

Millsap went from averaging 18/11 in December, too 16/10 in January, too 10/8 in Februrary. And his shooting percentages dropped dramatically.

Millsap is an awesome bench player, and a very capable fill in guy for short periods of times in case of an injury. But he's not a starting PF on a championship team.

Jazzman20 · Post #5 » by **Jazzman20** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:43 am

Batronuj wrote:
HolyToledo wrote:Boozer doesnt opt out Jazz need to trade with a team that has cap space. They will have to trade either Boozer or Ak-47 or lose Milsap. I think Jazz find way to keep Milsap and trade Boozer to Detroit for basically nothing.

Boozer or AK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Millsap.

Millsap went from averaging 18/11 in December, too 16/10 in January, too 10/8 in Februrary. And his shooting percentages dropped dramatically.

Millsap is an awesome bench player, and a very capable fill in guy for short periods of times in case of an injury. But he's not a starting PF on a championship team.

Yet.

CAE15 · Post #6 » by **CAE15** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:40 am

the guy we need to be worried about losing is Memo he can opt out also and he could get a very nice deal. I hope he likes utah enough to want to stay and ride it out another year on his current deal then utah can resign next year.

drivewayball · Post #7 » by **drivewayball** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 10:57 am

I agree that Okur is likely to opt out of his final year. I'm not a huge fan of the big guy on the three=point line model, but I think there are teams that would put three-year, $36 million value on Okur and he'd have to take that kind of deal if offered. Sacramento, Golden State, Memphis, Houston, Washington, are just a few that come to mind. This off season will be interesting.

David Ginola 14 · Post #8 » by **David Ginola 14** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 12:09 pm

Batronuj wrote:
HolyToledo wrote:Boozer doesnt opt out Jazz need to trade with a team that has cap space. They will have to trade either Boozer or Ak-47 or lose Milsap. I think Jazz find way to keep Milsap and trade Boozer to Detroit for basically nothing.

Boozer or AK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Millsap.

Millsap went from averaging 18/11 in December, too 16/10 in January, too 10/8 in Februrary. And his shooting percentages dropped dramatically.

Millsap is an awesome bench player, and a very capable fill in guy for short periods of times in case of an injury. But he's not a starting PF on a championship team.

I love Millsap..
But I agree...

seejaydeja · Post #9 » by **seejaydeja** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 2:32 pm

I just bought a Millsap jersey, he better not walk.

Post #10 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 2:34 pm

The Jazz have no intention of letting Millsap walk.

Duiz · Post #11 » by **Duiz** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 2:52 pm

I think Okur, not Boozer, is the one that will walk.

sendai91 · Post #12 » by **sendai91** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:54 pm

If I'm not mistaken, the only teams on the market that have enough $ to throw at Memo, Milsap or Boozer this summer are Detroit, Memphis and maybe Atlanta if they forego signing Marvin Williams. If you were Atlanta, would you rather have Marvin or Memo?

If you were Memo and Boozer, how attractive are either Detroit and Memphis (perhaps the two cities in the league with the worst perception as places to live and climate) in an economy where the offers aren't going to be excessive? Even with either of those two players , will either of those teams be anywhere nearly as competitive as Utah?

I see a lot more value for both Memo and Boozer playing in Utah through next year, seeing how far they go in the playoffs, and seeing what other teams and offers are on the market in the 2010 bidding frenzy. I see little to no value for either of them to opt out this summer. If they don't though, and I would be surprised if they did, the Jazz probably can't match whatever offer Milsap gets, unless it's in the range of 5/25 million.

Post #13 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 5:11 pm

Millsap is a RFA so if he walks it will be because the Jazz think it is at a bad price. Both players may opt out no matter what. Do you think that their worse case scenario is worse than resigning a one year deal with the Jazz?

sendai91 · Post #14 » by **sendai91** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:34 pm

Maybe I'm not getting something, but neither Boozer or Okur have the option to sign one year deals. The choice that both of them have are to:

1. Decide to opt out this summer, and be unrestricted free agents this summer in a very tepid spending economy and with few attractive locations / teams to join or...

2. Decide not to opt out, fulfill the last year of their contract with the Jazz over 2009-2010, and then have their contracts expire next summer (2010) during the free agent frenzy of the teams hoping to sign Lebron, DWade, etc.

Am I misreading the situation? If am I reading correctly, I have a hard time seeing the temptation for either player to walk away from next years' salary and sign with a new team (particularly those that have the available $) at what might be the crater of the economic downturn..

carrottop12 · Post #15 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:00 pm

Boozer and Okur can opt out and become RFA's. However both can decide to honor the last year of the contract and become UFA's next offseason.

Millsap is automatically an RFA.

rednecksbasketball · Post #16 » by **rednecksbasketball** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:27 pm

My guess is that the Jazz will re-sign Sap reguardless. They do not need to get under the cap until February, IE the trade deadline. The Jazz will also have some expiring contracts they could move to help them do this(Korver and Harpring).

Prior to the trade deadline this year there was a newspaper story saying the Jazz would not be opposed to taking on additional salary. Which could forbare that they would be willing to go over the cap to keep Millsap.

I actually do not expect Okur to opt out right now because I dont see him getting more than 9 million a year next year with the economy and not many teams having cap room. same goes with Korver, he wont get that much. I think Boozer may be in a similar situation where he wont opt out because he's been injured, the economy sucks, and no place that is desirable has cap room. Yes I think OKC has money, but he could stay with the Jazz get the same money and still play in the playoffs so there is not much of an incentive for him to leave there.

carrottop12 · Post #17 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:35 pm

rednecksbasketball wrote:My guess is that the Jazz will re-sign Sap reguardless. They do not need to get under the cap until February, IE the trade deadline. The Jazz will also have some expiring contracts they could move to help them do this(Korver and Harpring).

Prior to the trade deadline this year there was a newspaper story saying the Jazz would not be opposed to taking on additional salary. Which could forbare that they would be willing to go over the cap to keep Millsap.

I actually do not expect Okur to opt out right now because I dont see him getting more than 9 million a year next year with the economy and not many teams having cap room. same goes with Korver, he wont get that much. I think Boozer may be in a similar situation where he wont opt out because he's been injured, the economy sucks, and no place that is desirable has cap room. Yes I think OKC has money, but he could stay with the Jazz get the same money and still play in the playoffs so there is not much of an incentive for him to leave there.

The problem is a player will look at a contract and say, I can have 9 million next year and no guaranteed money after that (maybe they get hurt and can't play anymore) or I can sign a 5 year 40 million dollar deal and have a guaranteed addition 31 million dollars, even if it does mean a pay cut.

The Sheik · Post #18 » by **The Sheik** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 10:03 pm

Batronuj wrote:Boozer and Okur can opt out and become RFA's. However both can decide to honor the last year of the contract and become UFA's next offseason.

Millsap is automatically an RFA.

Boozer and Okur are UFA's.

Booz will opt out and try the big fish in a small pond philosophy.

Memo I think doesnt opt out because he is basically competing with Boozer and will likely not get more than what he is making now. However, you bring up a great point with the more guarantee money and for Memo being as he is 30 and a big, slow Center who has slightly started developing back issues this might be his last big splash.

Millsap is in a very unique situation because he has to sign no matter what. His QO will be 1.2 mil or less and he risks going unnoticed in the 2010 pool. To be completely honest with you I think Millsap does not find a deal for more than the Mid-Level. Now if say Utah signs Boozer first, then perhaps Detriot over pays a little for Millsap, but if I am them why not save your cap room for Bosh.

I think all 3 should they opt out will get deals for less than they expected. Look at baseball. One team was a free spender and they have no salary cap. The NBA has leaked some info that the cap is likely going down and not up. With that in mind and a luxury tax threshold I just dont see a team taking a gamble on Millsap by overpaying and I cant see teams paying Memo or Booz much more than they're making now.

Millsap will likely not be signed till August, I see like Josh Smith sitting around waiting for a team to give him a deal above the MLE, because Utah wont give him more than the MLE.

carrottop12 · Post #19 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 10:11 pm

You are right about Boozer and Okur being UFA's if they opt out. My bad.

People are also forgetting that the Jazz could also back load a contract if needed to keep this team together.

There are a lot of ways to structure a contract that could cater to the Jazz's benefit.

outerspacefella · Post #20 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:52 pm

Teams losing big time money + teams looking for superstars free agent + NBA/players union already throwing their first subtle (and not so subtle) punches at each other in advance for future CBA negotiations + crappy obscure economy....

I think both, Okur and Boozer, will end up looking for security for the next 5-6 years within a classy competitive organization... that would be wise methinks...

Anyway... what the hell I know? ...I'm not a millionaire so probably I just don't undertand them...