GIVE RONNIE P. HIS JOB BACK!!!

jazzfanak47 · Post #1 » by **jazzfanak47** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:04 am

I am sick of watching brevin knight "play basketball" its insane. brevin knight brings NOTHING to this team except for experience in how to NOT make the playoffs. Ronnie on the other hand can make things happen and he is at the very least a threat to score every now and then. Ronnie has a better +/- , a better fg%, a better 3pt%, and he has playmaker ability, and yes he isnt a playmaker like dwill or kobe but he can make things happen where knight fizzles out

Pai Gow · Post #2 » by **Pai Gow** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:14 am

The only way I'd want Ronnie to start playing again, if he turned into a pass first player, unfortunately, that is not his game and quite frankly everyone off the bench excluding Knight are better offensive players.

At least Knight tries to set-up the bench players, but yeah, he's playing awful and we really need to upgrade the back-up PG spot in the draft somehow.

Duiz · Post #3 » by **Duiz** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:27 am

There is the idea that Kirilenko and Knight are redundant. Even then, I prefer some good passing to freaking Ronnie P jacking up uncalled three pointers.

Post #4 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:48 am

I don't mind Brevin, he is who he is. Ball control and couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life. I think a back up PG is the next 1st round pick though.

Post #5 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:50 am

I kinda miss Price myself. He was entertaining and often made spectacular plays.

Knight may be better though. It sure didn't look like he was better against Phoenix when Deron got into foul trouble though.

I wouldn't mind seeing Price back in the rotation.

MeestR · Post #6 » by **MeestR** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:24 am

i also really liked seeing price playing during the games. its almost unfortunate the jazz are as deep as they are because it means some really good players are at the end of the bench. however it is not suprising that knight ended up with the backup minutes. i dont think its going to end soon either. you know what would happen if dwill ever got injured again? price would start and knight would be the backup still. along the same reasoning as keeping cj starting.

carrottop12 · Post #7 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:31 am

Knight>>>Price.

Yeah, Knight can't shoot worth a damn, but Price isn't some fireball either, shooting 38% from the floor and 31% from three this year.

Price isn't a passer, scores almost exclusively at the end of the shot clock or on fast breaks, and isn't as good of a defender as Knight is.

I'd rather have Knight's decision making then Price's which is to dribble the ball until there is 8 seconds left on the shot clock then hope something magic happens.

Reckless · Post #8 » by **Reckless** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:59 am

Knight is > Price..but that's not saying much. I like price but the guy is only in the NBA right now because of his athleticism. he doesn't add a lot else to the team when he is out there. like batron said knight is a above average defender, BUT having a guy out on the court that the other team knows they don't have to defend is a big advantage to the other team

I remember mentioning the Jazz should try and trade for another pick and draft Mario Chalmers and for the most part people hated the idea. They didn't think Chalmers was going to become anything or/and they believed we were fine at the backup PG position.

seejaydeja · Post #9 » by **seejaydeja** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:41 pm

Knight is still better than Price. Price just pulls off sweet athletic plays every once in a while to make people forget about his inconsistency. I'm not saying Knight is much better, but he's alot better at setting guys up which is what we need at the back up PG spot.

The whole argument is kind of moot though, since we need to replace both these guys in the off-season.

artest420 · Post #10 » by **artest420** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:43 pm

Price peaked when he was on the kings and posterized boozer. none of his plays will top that

carrottop12 · Post #11 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:45 pm

seejaydeja wrote:Knight is still better than Price. Price just pulls off sweet athletic plays every once in a while to make people forget about his inconsistency. I'm not saying Knight is much better, but he's alot better at setting guys up which is what we need at the back up PG spot.

The whole argument is kind of moot though, since we need to replace both these guys in the off-season.

I'd love to have a more compitent vet coming off the bench, with a rookie PG learning from the both of them ready to take over a year after that.

babyjax13 · Post #12 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:21 pm

We all knew that Knight was not a scorer when he came here, and so did the coaching staff. At the beginning of the season he did a surprisingly good job hitting that jumper at the top of the key, but teams are not letting him have that as much, and now when he takes it, it just does not go in. He does an OK job for someone not getting much more than 10 minutes a game, but I do think it might be time to see if Ronnie can take that role back--he should certainly be in toward the end of quarters instead of Knight--he was really effective with the role in the series with Houston last season.

Post #13 » by **FJS** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:51 pm

Knight was playing well... but lately he is playing like crap... then I think Ronnie would be more interesting.
Remember that Deron can play 40 min per game when needed... so, I think Ronnie in 8 min can do more damage than Brevin.

Racer X · Post #14 » by **Racer X** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:04 am

AKsWill wrote:The only way I'd want Ronnie to start playing again, if he turned into a pass first player, unfortunately, that is not his game and quite frankly everyone off the bench excluding Knight are better offensive players.

At least Knight tries to set-up the bench players, but yeah, he's playing awful and we really need to upgrade the back-up PG spot in the draft somehow.

Our offense was fine with Ronnie Price when Deron was out. Our starters held their own. We were still scoring at good rates. How many huge shots did he hit in the playoffs last year against the Rockets? How many do you think Brevin is going to hit this year? Can someone please point to one game where Ronnie Price has hurt us? Because Brevin Knight has hurt us this year in a number of games including the Phoenix game on Saturday. His inability to make a shot is going to kill us in the playoffs. No one is going to guard him.

carrottop12 · Post #15 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:15 am

Racer X wrote:
AKsWill wrote:The only way I'd want Ronnie to start playing again, if he turned into a pass first player, unfortunately, that is not his game and quite frankly everyone off the bench excluding Knight are better offensive players.

At least Knight tries to set-up the bench players, but yeah, he's playing awful and we really need to upgrade the back-up PG spot in the draft somehow.

Our offense was fine with Ronnie Price when Deron was out. Our starters held their own. We were still scoring at good rates. How many huge shots did he hit in the playoffs last year against the Rockets? How many do you think Brevin is going to hit this year? Can someone please point to one game where Ronnie Price has hurt us? Because Brevin Knight has hurt us this year in a number of games including the Phoenix game on Saturday. His inability to make a shot is going to kill us in the playoffs. No one is going to guard him.

The only advantage Price has over Knight is his jump shot. Price just can't create plays for people, and he can't find the open man as well as Knight can. He takes too many three's, and he wastes possessions. Brevin Knight never wastes a possession.

Reckless · Post #16 » by **Reckless** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:09 am

Batronuj wrote:The only advantage Price has over Knight is his jump shot. Price just can't create plays for people, and he can't find the open man as well as Knight can. He takes too many three's, and he wastes possessions. Brevin Knight never wastes a possession.

never meaning he never pisses off fans when he misses wide open jump shots

but i guess ur saying he takes good shots, he just doesn't make them most of the time

carrottop12 · Post #17 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:17 am

In 64 games Knight has taken 173 shots.

In 47 games this year Ronnie Price has taken 199 shots. That's more then Price, and he's played almost 20 games less.

I can live with Knight knowing how to distribute the ball, and going 1/3 from the field every game a hell of a lot easier then I can live with Price going 2/5 every night and not getting the offense started every trip down the floor.

Racer X · Post #18 » by **Racer X** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:18 pm

Batronuj wrote:The only advantage Price has over Knight is his jump shot. Price just can't create plays for people, and he can't find the open man as well as Knight can. He takes too many three's, and he wastes possessions. Brevin Knight never wastes a possession.

What are you talking about? Ronnie Price atleast is good at drawing and kicking. When was the last time that you were watching Brevin Knight and saw him make a play for somebody???? HE NEVER DOES THIS! ITS A MYTH! Has anyone else noticed that he is horrible at running the fast break? He always seems to make the wrong decision. Seriously I never see Brevin Knight create anything for anybody. Any assist he gets come from hitting somebody off of a curl and that really isnt difficult. Somebody please give me any evidence that Brevin creates plays for anybody? The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY advantage that Brevin has over Ronnie is that he doesnt turn the ball over very much. Thats it.

carrottop12 · Post #19 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:35 pm

Racer X wrote:
Batronuj wrote:The only advantage Price has over Knight is his jump shot. Price just can't create plays for people, and he can't find the open man as well as Knight can. He takes too many three's, and he wastes possessions. Brevin Knight never wastes a possession.

What are you talking about? Ronnie Price atleast is good at drawing and kicking. When was the last time that you were watching Brevin Knight and saw him make a play for somebody???? HE NEVER DOES THIS! ITS A MYTH! Has anyone else noticed that he is horrible at running the fast break? He always seems to make the wrong decision. Seriously I never see Brevin Knight create anything for anybody. Any assist he gets come from hitting somebody off of a curl and that really isnt difficult. Somebody please give me any evidence that Brevin creates plays for anybody? The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY advantage that Brevin has over Ronnie is that he doesnt turn the ball over very much. Thats it.

I never said Knight created plays for anyone, I just simply stated that Price doesn't create plays for anyone either, and on top of that Price can't hit people off of the curl, or anywhere in the offense for that matter.

Price is decent on the fast break, which I also said earlier. In fact it's where he gets most of his points and assists it seems. Despite his great athleticism, he can't get into the paint in a half court set, and even when he does nobody will collapse on him because he isn't a big enough finisher to warrant it.

I'd rather have a guy who comes off the bench and runs the system so it doesn't hurt anyone else's play in the game, even if it means he's going to miss two shots a game instead of having a guy who can't run the system, and affects everyone else on the floor.

Price is a good energy guy every once in a while, and I love his hustle but Knight is a far better player for the job right now.

Racer X · Post #20 » by **Racer X** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:53 pm

My biggest concern with Knight though is that when we play Houston again the first round, they are not going to guard him. They are going to stand 3 feet off of him and its going to clog up our offense like the plumbing after a night at Beto's. We have seen it before with Brewer last year against the Lakers.

Ronnie Price at the very least stretches the defense, plus he would play with AK prominently and AK would serve as the primary playmaker for that squad. Again, the system doesnt require a playmaker at the PG position to be effective. All Ronnie would need to do is get the ball across halfcourt and than run routes and set screens which he does effectively.

should ronnie get his #2 spot back