The Spread of Blame

Racer X · Post #1 » by **Racer X** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:12 am

Seems to be going on a lot these days, so as the immortal Chris Tucker once said "WHAT ABOUT ME!?"

Its funny, I have seen people criticize Deron a lot on the board recently about not being a leader or not getting the other guys to play better and blah blah blah blah . . .

But at what point do you finally put some blame on the coaching staff? Isnt their job to prepare this team to play? Isnt it their job to get the most out of their players? I have heard people (including Jerry) say that "This isnt Derons team, or Boozer's team . . . ITS MY TEAM! I AM THE LEADER OF THIS TEAM!"or KOC has said that its Jerry's team . . . well it seems to me they havent done their job. They havent made a single adjustment to the lineup at all since the beginning of the season that was forced on their hand by injury. Everyone and their grandmother has thought for a while that it was time to bring AK back into the starting lineup and it only happened because CJ got hurt.

While I'm at it . . . I would like to blame the following people for the Jazz's issues: FJS, President Obama (come on its been 3 months!), Ming Kong!, Bat, Yeliz Okur (you are the hottest wife on the team and quite frankly its a distraction), CeCe, video games in general, that annoying dude who MC's the timeout entertainment at the ESA, Jazz medical staff, Kyle Korver's finger, Derek Rose, the 6 teams that did not draft Brandon Roy when they had the chance, David Locke, David Stern, Dwayne Wade, and finally Satan . . . I see your evil hands all over this . . .

@ndrew · Post #2 » by **@ndrew** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:00 am

This is just not a tough team. I just talked with a couple of AK friends is Moscow and St. Petersburg - they were talking about how fragile he is. Not physically, but mentally. He is pure emo.

I don't know about Boozer, but he is not seemed very interested in what's going on.

Deron Williams - I think it's gonna be hard for him to be a leader - just look at the way judges *not* looking for his offensive side... It's hard.

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:01 am

My guess is after 1,000+ wins with the Jazz, Jerry Sloan has forgotten how to be tough and doesn't know how to coach basketball anymore

/green.

Post #4 » by **FJS** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:44 pm

I take my part of blame.... I'm not doing game thread tonight!

seejaydeja · Post #5 » by **seejaydeja** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:12 pm

maybe ak got sloan onto wow and now he just aint give a damn.

Post #6 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:39 pm

Maybe reintegrating Boozer has caused some chemistry problems.

What ever it is, the Jazz are going to get swept out of the playoffs if they don't figure it out soon.

idajazz · Post #7 » by **idajazz** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:51 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Maybe reintegrating Boozer has caused some chemistry problems.

What ever it is, the Jazz are going to get swept out of the playoffs if they don't figure it out soon.

DING DING DING..........Give JF1971 a cookie

The problem is boozer being back in the starting 5.
If he was playing at all star level it would be a different story.
I can't even think of a witty thing to say that describes his level of play.
I was thinking along the lines of wheel chair ball but don't want to insult those guys.
They all have something Snoozerdoesn't seem to even have in his volcabulary.
Heart.

Racer X · Post #8 » by **Racer X** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:26 pm

Batronuj wrote:My guess is after 1,000+ wins with the Jazz, Jerry Sloan has forgotten how to be tough and doesn't know how to coach basketball anymore

/green.

He is obviously a tough person, by why is he infallible when it comes to the performance of this team? What coaching adjustments has he made at all during the course of this season? He is the most to blame with our absolute implossion in MIami. He checked out of the building when the game appeared to be over. It would have been so easy to call a timeout and regroup and COACH this team to not let the game slip away, but he didnt do anything. That game I think in retrospect has been the most critical game of the season. THis team has clearly not recovered mentally since that game.

erudite23 · Post #9 » by **erudite23** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:54 pm

Since when has Jerry ever been off limits? He's taken more heat on this board then a hot dog at a campfire.

He's certainly responsible, as is KOC, as are the players and everyone in management up to the ownership. Everyone has their peice of the blame.

Really, what it comes down to is just a very poor set of circumstances. Boozer has been so bad defensively since he's gotten back it has killed this team. He has always been bad on the PnR and hasn't ever been any more than a "meh" defensive presence in the first place, but since he's been back he's taken it to a whole new level.

The reality of this team is that if we were ever going to be contenders, it was going to be through being slightly better than average on defense and unbelievable on offense. Boozer, like it or not, was a HUGE part of that. The guy that's been out there playing for the last month....well, he's not what we were planning on. If you want to really understand what's going on with the team, it should be by learning to appreciate just how much that man meant to this team when he was healthy and playing at the top of his game.

His defense in the past wasn't that bad. Or that good. It was simply meh. Now it is horrific. But people were calling it horrific before, because they cant' see things in degrees. Its always got to be the best or the worst. Right now, I think Boozer is the worst defensive PF in the game. Combine that with his below average offensive output and you have a player that is only worthy of minutes because of his continued rebounding prowess.

Who do you blame for an injury that f-ed up your season? I dunno. You can squabble over the dimes and nickles of CJ playing too many minutes or Knight continuing to get time over Price or us not drafting this player or that player in the 20s....but the reality is that this is not the team we envisioned this season simply because of injury. Its a tough pill to swallow. Especially for all the people who feel better at night after a lynching. But that doesn't make it any less true.

d-will8 · Post #10 » by **d-will8** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:00 am

Regardless of who is to blame, it's been an obscenely disappointing end to a season in which I thought we had a legitimate chance to win around 60 games and seriously compete for a title. Injuries obviously have played a big role, but there's more to it than that. As people have already stated, we are simply not a tough team. Our defense, especially in the interior, has been woeful of late. This is in no small part due to the return of Boozer, who has been **** on both ends of the floor. I think there has to be something deeper, something that we're not seeing. jazzfan's probably on to something in suggesting that Boozer has disrupted the chemistry.
Beyond that, Memo just hasn't been the same lately, Sloan's made some mistakes and our bench hasn't been as much of a strong suit as we all expected it to be. As much as I like C.J.'s potential, Sloan should have taken him out of the starting five some time ago. Knight may be a savvy veteran, but we'd be much better off with Price as the backup point guard. Deron continues to play well, but he, Sloan and the rest of the team need to realize that, with Boozer playing like ****, we're at our best not when he's deferring as we force the ball into the post, but when he's playing aggressively, dictating the tempo and putting an unbelievable amount of pressure on opposing defenses. He needs to step up and lead.
In any case, at this point, if we fail miserably in the playoffs, it will be what I expect. If we are at all successful, it will come as a pleasant surprise. The most depressing thing about this season is that it is this team's last chance. I really thought this group had a chance to do something special, but, whether it's merely because of injuries or a more diverse amalgam of factors, it seems incredibly unlikely that they will.

EGame · Post #11 » by **EGame** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:52 am

The Blazers were one of thsoe 6 teams not to take Roy.

ColdBlue · Post #12 » by **ColdBlue** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:29 pm

I'm going to save my criticism until after the season. I want to have a little bit of optimism running into the playoffs.

Racer X · Post #13 » by **Racer X** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:17 pm

ColdBlue wrote:I'm going to save my criticism until after the season. I want to have a little bit of optimism running into the playoffs.

Like Han told Lando before the Battle of Endor . . . "Good lucky . . . you're going to need it."

Post #14 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:58 am

Mental weakness, Boozer's across-the-board worthlessness, Deron's relentless irresponsibility with the ball, Sloan's recent propensity not to call needed time-outs, our staggeringly bad defense, and our inability to make the simplest of shots.

freakazoid · Post #15 » by **freakazoid** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:09 am

Racer X wrote:While I'm at it . . . I would like to blame the following people for the Jazz's issues: FJS, President Obama (come on its been 3 months!), Ming Kong!, Bat, Yeliz Okur (you are the hottest wife on the team and quite frankly its a distraction), CeCe, video games in general, that annoying dude who MC's the timeout entertainment at the ESA, Jazz medical staff, Kyle Korver's finger, Derek Rose, the 6 teams that did not draft Brandon Roy when they had the chance, David Locke, David Stern, Dwayne Wade, and finally Satan . . . I see your evil hands all over this . . .

You sir, are a message board GOD.

I bow down. :bowdown:

P.S. You forgot the water slide responsible for Brewer's elbow. That bastard needs to pay.

gonzo · Post #16 » by **gonzo** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:30 am

AK must go.
I don't know how.
Perhaps we could use him as bait for pirates.

freakazoid · Post #17 » by **freakazoid** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:37 am

gonzo wrote:AK must go.
I don't know how.
Perhaps we could use him as bait for pirates.

What about Boozer?

Is there any way we kid rid ourselves of both while cutting salary and getting no players in return?

That would be awesome.

Collins/Fes/Koufos
Harpring/Millsap
Brewer/Korver
CJ/Draft Pick
Deron/Knight

= Bring home the title.