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I posted this on the trade board and was curious what you all think of this fairly agressive redesign of our Jazz.

A Jazz offseason plan:

Assume Boozer and Okur opt out (as they have both indicated they will). Korver does not opt out.

Unrestricted FAs: Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Brevin Knight, Jarron Collins, Ronnie Price, Morris Almond.
Restricted Free Agents: Paul Millsap
Team Option: Kyrylo Fesenko
Short Contracts: Matt Harpring (1yr), Kyle Korver (1Yr)
Longer Contracts: Deron Williams, Ronnie Brewer, CJ Miles, Andrei Kirilenko, Kosta Koufous
Draft Picks: #20, #51
Other: Jazz owe Minnesota (via Philly) a first rounder (likely next year - top 15 protected) and are owed next years NYK first rounder (unprotected - thanks Zeke!)

Trade 1 (w/ Chicago Bulls)
Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas for Paul Millsap (S&T) and Ronnie Brewer

Hinrich will be a great fit with the Jazz style and he can play both 1 & 2 for the Jazz. Thomas fills the gap left by dparting FAs. The Bulls get a stud young swingman to replace Hinrich and a low post beast in Millsap to shore up their front line.

Trade 2 (w/ GSW)
Utah Jazz trade Andrei Kirilenko to GSW for Jamal Crawford and Corey Magette.

The Jazz take on the extra years of Magette and Crawford's contracts in order to free themselves from Kirileko's miscast role with this team. Kirilenko goes to a system in which he should flourish and the Jazz get an definite offensive boost on their wings.

Trade 3 (w/ Detroit)
Jazz trade Carlos Boozer (S&T) to Detroit for a future 1st rounder (top 3 protected). The Jazz decide to let Boozer walk and Detroit agrees to the S&T to secure Boozer against another team matching their offer. The Jazz get a token pick out of it for their trouble.

The Jazz resign Mehmet Okur for about 4 years and 36 million.
The Jazz excercise K Fesenko's option.
The Jazz sign both draft picks.
The Jazz do not re-sign Morris Almond.

That leaves us with this lineup (s=starter):

Guards: Deron Williams (s), Kirk Hinrich(s), Jamal Crawford, (draft pick)
Forwards: Corey Magette(s), CJ Miles, Mehmet Okur(s), Tyrus Thomas, Kyle Korver, Matt Harpring, (draft pick)
Centers: Kosta Koufous(s), Kyrylo Fesenko

My biggest concern with this lineup is low post scoring. Okur can do it but he's most valuable spreading the floor. Harpring is old and can't play many minutes, and Koufos and TT are young and inconsistant. This team shouldn't have much trouble scoring, but it does have the althletes to be a decent, middle-of-the-pack NBA defensive squad, especially since the Jazz emphasize team defense, not man-on-man defense. There is a definite lack of shot blocking on the team, though they should continue to be good with steals.

Finally, there are pieces available to make one more midseason trade, should the need/opportunity arise: Korver and Harpring have expiring deals and the Jazz still have NYK's 2010 first rounder.

I certainly don't expect this to happen, but if I were GM, this is probably what I'd try to do. Thoughts?

Chicago laughs at that trade. Thomas has improved drastically and Hinrich is a lot better then brewer. A starting front court of Koufos and Okur is going to get killed in the paint both offensively and defensively.

CoolKids wrote:Chicago laughs at that trade. Thomas has improved drastically and Hinrich is a lot better then brewer. A starting front court of Koufos and Okur is going to get killed in the paint both offensively and defensively.

Actually various versions of that trade have been met with approval by Bulls fans over on the trade board. And Koufos/Okur isn't going to be any worse than Okur/Boozer as far as defense is concerned. Obviously this trade assumes that the Jazz offense is going to be scoring points with its wing players, making up for some of the scoring deficit in the frontcourt.

okur/koufos would be better than okur/boozer because koufos would actually try and is pretty athletic.

It is a good effort and you have put work and thought into it. I don't really care for it much.

CoolKids wrote:Chicago laughs at that trade. Thomas has improved drastically and Hinrich is a lot better then brewer. A starting front court of Koufos and Okur is going to get killed in the paint both offensively and defensively.

How does Chicago laugh at this trade?

Sap is better than Tyrus. Not much better, but better.
And Hinrich, although a great player, is not only overpaid, but also plays in the same position as Rose, the cornerstone of the Bulls' franchise. And Brewer is just as good or even better than Hinrich, and is on a rookie contract.
Chicago takes this deal and runs, as long as Sap is re-signed for a decent amount of money.

Honestly I think we digress with all of your options. Hinrich is NOT a good fit as our 2 guard, and Tyrus has ZERO offense. Maggette and Crawford are both very expensive and extremely inconsistent. and letting boozer go for a mid round pick doesn't seem very smart. You dont just let talent like that walk.

Face it Jazz fans, we are going to lose 1 possibly 2 of our bigs (paul, carlos, memo) I think it's either Memo and Milsap (which will put us dangerously close to the tax) or Boozer.

But the fun thing about it, it's not our call It's up to KOC to get this team organized

I agree. I don't think that we really need to worry about finding offensive players unless he is a consisent outside shooter. We need to focus on tough, hard nosed, athletic, energy defenders.

I think it is almost either Memo & Mil or Boozer.

Listening to "Locked on Sports" today, it sure sounds like Korver is going to opt out and leave.

That'd be a boon for the Jazz if he did. We'd miss his shooting, but, the salary flexibility would be huge for the team.

right but let's be honest...

Korver can really only shoot... and hasn't been on all that much lately. He can't dribble well at all or defend. He is fighting for playing time with CJ (younger & cheaper), Harpring, & Brewer.

It would probably be for the best, if he did opt out.

Would you do a sign and Trade of Carlos Boozer for John Salmons (6 million, 1 year deal) and Jerome James (6 million, 1 year deal [should be able to get insurance to pay since he hasn't played in forever]). You lose talent wise IMHO, but you maintain cap flexibility and add a great player that would flourish under Sloan. You could definately use the offensive help at 2/3 and if he fits in your system, you will have a better chance of resigning him next year (as everyone else will be focusing on the stars of the free agency class).

thoughts?

Salmons is a bit selfish. I was a supporter of Boozer for Salmons earlier in the year, but from what I have heard he would net be a good fit here.

salmons is an efficient scorer who can create for himself on the wing. Deron is a great player, but he can't be expected to do everything. Utah, IMO, relies very heavily on deron finding people for open looks. He's about the only one who can create on a regular basis.

I don't think salmons is selfish. He has a great attitude and plays team ball... he's just more effective on offense when he creates off the dribble. He's not a slasher/spot up shooter, so when he does use offensive possessions, it looks more "out of the flow" of the offense. I can see how to the casual observer he would come off as selfish, but I really don't think he is at all. Just my opinion though.

I'm not desperately trying to unload a cancer. I just thought it would be a relatively fair offer that could improve both teams.

If you'd rather do Luol Deng, who is the epitome of "getting points in the flow of an offense" he's all yours. Deng and 16 for boozer. done deal.... but something tells me that won't be acceptable either

If we could not retain Boozer I would do a S+T, I love the way Deng plays (just concerned about injuries). If we could keep Boozer though I'd rather have my 20-10 power forward.

Sap is better than Tyrus. Not much better, but better.

Correct, and he brings an element to the frontcourt that currently doesn’t exist.

And Hinrich, although a great player, is not only overpaid, but also plays in the same position as Rose, the cornerstone of the Bulls' franchise. And Brewer is just as good or even better than Hinrich, and is on a rookie contract.

Brewer isn’t ‘just as good or better than’ Hinrich, but overall I don’t entirely disagree that moving him may need to be a priority.

Overall I think most Bulls fans would be in favor of that deal.

As long as Milsap's deal wasn't crazy Bulls would jump on the first trade.

Boozer won't be a Bull as long as Pax is there.

I posted the trade on the Bulls board and I'd say Bulls fans (including me) are marginally in favor of it.

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I would cut myself if the Jazz did this during the offseason.


I swear, if I have to see another trade proposal with Corey F8cking Maggette and Jamal Crawford in it, I am going to go nuclear and blow this board and all the idiot posters who think that's a good idea up. For crying out loud, have you seen Maggette play recently? The dude is selfish as hell, doesn't try on defense and makes HORRIBLE decisions. Jamal Crawford is that times two. We would be taking a HUGE step back, as well as taking on a horrific contract in the process.

At least with AK we only have two more years left on his deal. If we can make it through 09-10, his expiring deal could be a huge trade chip the following season...or we could just let it expire and re-sign him at a much more palatable level. AK struggled down the stretch, but we shouldn't underrate the value he has had to this team when he is on his game.

If we did these moves, I would venture to say that we win 42-44 games this season, and every poster here is calling for everyone in the FO's heads. What a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE plan. Change for change's sake in its purest form.

This reminds me of all the morons that were so heart set on giving Mo Pete 4 years for the full MLE during the summer of 07.

Ugh.

erudite23 wrote:I would cut myself if the Jazz did this during the offseason.


I swear, if I have to see another trade proposal with Corey F8cking Maggette and Jamal Crawford in it, I am going to go nuclear and blow this board and all the idiot posters who think that's a good idea up. For crying out loud, have you seen Maggette play recently? The dude is selfish as hell, doesn't try on defense and makes HORRIBLE decisions. Jamal Crawford is that times two. We would be taking a HUGE step back, as well as taking on a horrific contract in the process.

At least with AK we only have two more years left on his deal. If we can make it through 09-10, his expiring deal could be a huge trade chip the following season...or we could just let it expire and re-sign him at a much more palatable level. AK struggled down the stretch, but we shouldn't underrate the value he has had to this team when he is on his game.

If we did these moves, I would venture to say that we win 42-44 games this season, and every poster here is calling for everyone in the FO's heads. What a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE plan. Change for change's sake in its purest form.

This reminds me of all the morons that were so heart set on giving Mo Pete 4 years for the full MLE during the summer of 07.

Ugh.

gee, what do you really think?

The reason I think Maggette and Crawford are somewhat palatable (and even I agree its not ideal) is the fact that you get two relatively productive players at mid level contracts for one marginally productive player with an extremely out-of-proportion contract. In my mind, that gives you a lot more flexibility to move one of them later on.

Andrei's body language has been terrible for two years now. He's obviously unhappy and its rubbing off on the team. I think in his case we do need "change for change's sake."

That being said, Trade 2 is definitely my least favorite part of the plan. I'd certainly love to hear better alternatives, but I really don't think the Jazz can keep AK on this team much longer without doing serious damage to the team's morale.