My 70 M Jazz roster for 09/10

[jozef]

I think what we should see in Denver success is that they have perimeter players who can score from perimeter and they have inside players who are well mobile so they can get in the flow, "in the elevator". That's why I propose Richard Jefferson for Brew and AK and that's why I trade Memo.
Starting lineup of Williams, Miles, Jefferson on perimeter and Boozer, Kaman insidewould run the Jazz offense to perfection. Hustlers Price, Harpring, Millsap off the bench plus hungry Budinger and Koufos make me feel very good about competition. That's all just for $70 M, no luxury tax.

Trade Okur and Fesenko for Kaman: we need shotblocking center who does not hurt us on the offense
Trade Kirilenko and NY pick for R.Jefferson: we need starting production for max money
Re-sign Boozer for contract at Deron level: franchise cornerstone
Re-sign Millsap for 6 M per year contract: primary PF/C backup
Re-sign Price for 1.2 M: PG backup
Trade Harpring plus future first round pick for salary space: then Harpring gets waived or negotiates buyout and Jazz sign him for minimum
Trade Korver for salary space
Trade Brewer for first round pick at position where Chase Budinger will be available: backup shooter
Draft BJ Mullens and Tyrese Rice in second round: talented PF/C and 3rd point guard
Sign Ante Tomic: 3rd center for development
Re-sign Almond: knows things and we keep 14 players on the roster

Rotation:
PG Williams 34, Price 14, Rice
SG/SF Jefferson 32, Miles 28, Harpring 18, Budinger 12, Millsap 6, Almond
PF/C Boozer 34, Kaman 30, Millsap 22, Koufos 10, Tomic, Mullens

[babyjax13]

Mullens will be drafted close to the lottery, I would be shocked if he dropped to the second round. I'd honestly rather trade Boozer for Kaman+incentives and not loose the spacing we get with Okur on the floor. Brewer for Chase Buddinger is a terrible trade, actually it is beyond terrible. Brewer is a proven player--Buddinger has good tools, but he seems to lack motivation--he is not much cheaper than Brewer either, so it is sort of a useless trade. Jefferson can hit any shot Buddinger can, so you mine as well not worry about three point production, of course Milwaukee would not do that trade anyway, it means they can't retain Ramon Sessions.

[babyjax13]

One more thing, it has not gotten any better since the last time you posted it viewtopic.php?f=33&t=901748&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45

[jozef]

Mullens is not main part of my plan but he sits well there on Jazz pick at http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mock_draft.

We need spacing with wings, not center cause with Memo outside we are unable to outrebound or outscore good opponents like Lakers, also Cavs and Magic have big guys inside and we need tools to fight them there. That Memo's outside spreading is outweighted by underhandling inside.

Budinger is shooter with great form. Kobe would not stand 15 feet from him. Go and run structured offense under such circumstances. Your % will be down. End of discussion.

Milwaukee would get NY pick and it's up to them to solve Sessions situation.

[The Sheik]

Except the luxury tax is probably going down to 68 million.

[loserX]

We trade Brewer so that we can play Budinger 12 minutes a game? That doesn't sound very smart. I very much doubt that Millsap signs for $6M a year, either.

[jozef]

We don't need Brewer. Watch my roation.

[loserX]

We don't need Brewer. Watch my roation.

From your rotation it's not apparent that we need Budinger, either. If we trade Brewer, a starter, we should get more value than a 12-MPG backup.

[DelaneyRudd]

Why would we trade for a worse player who makes the same amount of money just because the good player won't play as much? Ever heard of injuries?

[jozef]

I don't think we can get anything more valueable for Brewer than late lottery pick. Teams saw Lakers sagging 12 feet from him. Budinger could fit in 12-minute bench role, bringing shooting touch (.399 3P%) and athleticism (6.2 rpg).

[loserX]

I don't think we can get anything more valueable for Brewer than late lottery pick.

1) Then it would be stupid to trade him, since he has more value to us than that.
2) Then it would be especially stupid to trade him for Budinger, who should be available after the late lottery.
3) Draft picks have no salary attached...so unless we're trading Brewer to a team under the cap, we will have to take back at least 80% of his salary PLUS what we're paying Budinger. So such a move would cost us MORE money than keeping Brewer, and use up another roster spot besides. Unless Budinger happens to fall to a team under the cap, which is pretty damn unlikely.

Teams saw Lakers sagging 12 feet from him. Budinger could fit in 12-minute bench role, bringing shooting touch (.399 3P%) and athleticism (6.2 rpg).

No interest in trading a cheap young starter for a cheap young 12-minute bench player. None. That's lunacy.

[jozef]

They can draft him for us and then make a trade Kirilenko plus Brewer for R. Jefferson plus Budinger.

[loserX]

So, the Bucks? Now you want Budinger drafted at number 10? That's terrible value, if we get that pick in trade there are lots of players better than him available at that spot.

And in looking at your roster I'm struggling to figure out who is going to be our perimeter defender. With scorers like Jefferson and Miles supposedly taking most of the minutes, we need a defender in there. More reason to keep Brewer over Budinger.

[jozef]

What defender? The one who let Bryant to go 10-10 FG?
Jefferson and Miles and Harpring are at least as good one-to-one defenders as Ronnie is. What separates Ronnie from them is his ability to knock the ball out of clueless player. It's not football game, we cannot keep one lineup for defense and another one for offense.
It's domino effect, if Memo does not protect the basket he must go and if Memo does not stretch the defense for Ronnie then Ronnie must go. Otherwise it's a loophole in the mud.

[babyjax13]

Brewer feeds off of Carlos and Deron, not Okur. He does his little run baseline when Carlos is in the game, Carlos hands off the ball and seals both defenders and Brewer is able to score. With Deron he just comes off of screens, cuts like he is going to do Harpring's little jumper, but then turns to the hoop and catches a bounce pass from Deron. Memo has nothing to do with either of Ronnie's 'bread-and-butter' plays. He might make it a little easier, but Brewer seems to do fine without him.

As for Ronnie guarding Bryant--Kobe is just a freak, he hit 2 fade away, turn around jumpers with Brewer up in his face--nothing you can do about that.

Brewer is a better player than anyone we can get at 12, he is young, and he is pretty much our only transition player besides AK and Miles who Deron can throw the ball too before the defense gets back. Ronnie is a key part of our team no matter what anyone says.

[loserX]

Jefferson and Miles and Harpring are at least as good one-to-one defenders as Ronnie is.

Absolute nonsense. Miles? CJ Miles is as good a man defender as Brewer? Wow.

What separates Ronnie from them is his ability to knock the ball out of clueless player. It's not football game, we cannot keep one lineup for defense and another one for offense.

You're right, it's much smarter to keep one lineup for offence and zero for defence. Great plan.

One more time: even if you think Brewer must go, and I don't see any reason he should, you do not trade him for Chase Budinger, a player who should be available in the 20s of the draft, and who will get only 12 MPG of shooting off the bench. That is ridiculous.

EDIT -- especially if we're re-signing Almond, as your plan suggests. We do not need both Budinger and Almond on the roster, and giving up Brewer in order to have both at the same time is especially silly.

[jozef]

Brewer depend on Okur cause Ronnie is not able to finish inside if a center protects the basket.
You could see it in the Lakers series. Ronnie was 11-31 FG in 3 games with Okur out.
Ronnie is designated to take the highest % shots on the team: inside cuts when players steps out of him and open jumpers when player sags off him. Btw, NO offense can work if defender CAN sag off your SG. Missing consistency is the result of such such a bug in execution and that's what separates Nuggets from the Jazz in their competition with the Lakers.
He also miss any nastiness on the defensive end and I felt more comfortable with any other guard or wing (even Deron Williams) on Kobe - with an exception of Kyle Korver.

We don't know where Budinger will be taken and history is full of samples when teams failed to recognize talent in the draft, Millsap and Boozer on our team for example.

[jozef]

Richard Jefferson is great transition player, you maybe remember it from his seasons with Jason Kidd.

[loserX]

We don't know where Budinger will be taken and history is full of samples when teams failed to recognize talent in the draft, Millsap and Boozer on our team for example.

History is full of even more examples of guys who were taken way too high while better players slipped past them.

And you still haven't explained why Budinger is such a desirable commodity that we'd have to trade Brewer for him when we're already re-signing Almond.

[jozef]

Budinger shot .399 3P% and grabbed 6.2 rebs. Shooter and leaper. Good size. Real wing.