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Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:44 pm
by HolyToledo
Rumor which clearly everyone saw coming when Gordon signed with Detroit. Hamilton no longer their guy. Question is should Jazz undertake the 3 year deal saving money this year but being stuck with his contract for 3 more years. He is 31 and playing well but not as good as he was a couple of years ago.
I assume the trade may include Harpring to Detroit with maybe Kawme coming to Jazz. Saves Jazz extra money and gets them a back up big. Harpring likely retires further saving Detroit money. I am pretty sure Detroit does it. Maybe Jazz can have them throw in a #1 pick or get some cash to pay Hamilton's contract.
I say do it just to get some veteran leadership on this team which has been missing since Fisher left.
PG Williams Price Maynor
SG Hamilton Korver Miles
C Memo Kosta Kawme Fess
PF Millsap AK-47 Kosta
SF Brewer AK-47 Miles
Boy hasnt Miles contract become an albatross on this team. Why did Jazz match the OKC offer last summer?
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:50 pm
by StocktonShorts
I really wish it wasn't such a bad contract, because I think Rip is a near-perfect fit for this team.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:23 pm
by bstein14
Doesn't save Utah enough money unless they can add in an Afflalo/Sharpe for Korver or Harpring swap also and I"m not sure if Detroit will have enough capspace left.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:33 pm
by Neon Black
HappyProle wrote:I really wish it wasn't such a bad contract, because I think Rip is a near-perfect fit for this team.
Arguably the best catch-and-shoot player in the league...he was born for the UCLA offense. And he plays D.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:10 pm
by DelaneyRudd
Question is, how will he perform with sweat in his eyes?
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:17 pm
by Pai Gow
DelaneyRudd wrote:Question is, how will he perform with sweat in his eyes?
I thought RIP had to wear the mask from now on because another shot to his nose could be deadly? Or maybe I just misunderstood.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:20 pm
by Montanajazz
How about Boozer and Miles for Hamilton and Oberto!! A better Defensive C/F with a smart offensive abilty. would fit well into jazz system. The jazz could still look for another trade to get a better small forward using combonations of Korver, Harpring, Fess and even Kirlinko!!
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:22 pm
by Soul Patch
Oberto was waived.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:28 pm
by roc
Pai Gow wrote:DelaneyRudd wrote:Question is, how will he perform with sweat in his eyes?
I thought RIP had to wear the mask from now on because another shot to his nose could be deadly? Or maybe I just misunderstood.
I didn't realize Utah has the same (Please Use More Appropriate Word) rule as Chicago.
and yes
Rip has to wear that mask as his nose has been busted one too many times and if it happens again could result in quite the severe outcome.
FWIW Rip's last year is unguaranteed.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:30 pm
by QuantumMacgyver
Rip would still be allowed to wear the mask. Just like Harpring wears a brace on every joint, Just like The Big Dog wore his protective goggles and just like Boozer wears Depends.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:31 pm
by Ming Kong!
I'm in, given that we are gonna lose Boozer sooner or later, and I don't like him anymore. I really like our starting 5 with him, and then hopefully we could upgrade our defense in the interior, which will already happen with Millsap getting more minutes.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:34 pm
by StocktonShorts
DelaneyRudd wrote:Question is, how will he perform with sweat in his eyes?
lol
r0cd0gg wrote:Rip has to wear that mask as his nose has been busted one too many times and if it happens again could result in quite the severe outcome.
Sloan will no doubt see that as a lack of toughness: "Big **** deal, I busted my nose about ten times."
FWIW Rip's last year is unguaranteed.
Then I'm sold. Get this deal done, seriously.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:34 pm
by colors
According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Rip's contract extension (3 years from 2010 to 2013) amounts to 37.5M, with a flat 12.5M for each year, but only 9M guaranteed for the last year.
And, although I hate to contradict a fellow Piston fan (
), as I understood it, even if he wore it originally because his nose was broken several times, Rip hasn't needed the mask for years now, and today he mostly wears it for superstitious reasons. He has referred to it as his 'superman cape'.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:40 pm
by roc
QuantumMacgyver wrote:Boozer wears Depends.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:59 pm
by RTM
colors wrote:According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Rip's contract extension (3 years from 2010 to 2013) amounts to 37.5M, with a flat 12.5M for each year, but only 9M guaranteed for the last year.
And, although I hate to contradict a fellow Piston fan (
), as I understood it, even if he wore it originally because his nose was broken several times, Rip hasn't needed the mask for years now, and today he mostly wears it for superstitious reasons. He has referred to it as his 'superman cape'.
Nah, Rip needs the mask. If he breaks his nose again and requires surgery, it may affect the air flow in his nasal passages, which would not be good.
He uses his head band to keep the mask in place, so he might even get an exception there.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:24 pm
by Magilla_Gorilla
colors wrote:According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Rip's contract extension (3 years from 2010 to 2013) amounts to 37.5M, with a flat 12.5M for each year, but only 9M guaranteed for the last year.
And, although I hate to contradict a fellow Piston fan (
), as I understood it, even if he wore it originally because his nose was broken several times, Rip hasn't needed the mask for years now, and today he mostly wears it for superstitious reasons. He has referred to it as his 'superman cape'.
So the Jazz would be on the hook for 4ys and 45million for the 31yr old Hamilton. I don't know...
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:28 pm
by StocktonShorts
hmm.. there's a big difference between "unguaranteed" and "'only' $9M guaranteed".
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:31 pm
by colors
HappyProle wrote:hmm.. there's a big difference between "unguaranteed" and "'only' $9M guaranteed".
It's what the Salt Lake Tribune said a few days ago. Before that, all we knew about his contract was that it was "3 years for 34M, and the last year not fully guaranteed". Counting only the guaranteed money from the details given in that recent article, we arrive indeed to 34M, so it looks right.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:34 pm
by StocktonShorts
I'm not disputing the facts, just explaining my changing attitude to it. When I read that the 4th year wasn't guaranteed my reaction was to do it right away. Knowing that it's still $9M makes me more cautious, but I'd still probably do it.
Re: Boozer for Hamilton
Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:37 pm
by FJS
I would do it.
He is a guy who has played two finals and several conference finals.
Then AK can play more minutes at four, and Brewer at 3.
Still we would be thin and 4/5 position.