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Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:54 pm**

DEALS FOR BOOZER (12.6) The other team must have 9.5 million in salary.
1. Josh Smith (10.8) you save 3.6 this year but you bring back a huge contract and you would have to trade AK for 25% less of his number to avoid the tax the next year. You would be at 68 next year
2. Emeka Okafor (10.5) - it would save you 4 million this year but a huge contract and would be at 68 next year.
3. Luol Deng (10.3) -- it would save you 4.5 million this year but a long deal and how does he fit.
4. Corey Maggette (8.9) and Claxton (5.2) - you might save on insurance and you are under next year but you have Magget - could do Steven Jackson
5. Shane BAttier (6.8) and Luis Scola (3.3) -- my dream. Battier is signed through 2010/11 and Scola becomes a free agent you have to sign him which would be tough under the tax. Same deal could be done with Carl Landry who has two years left on his deal
6. Chris Kaman (10.4) Saves the team 4.4 this year but he has two years after at 11 and 12 and keeps team over the tax and no reason they would want Boozer other than cap space
7. Mark Blount (7.9) and Michael Beasley (4.6) -- this is the best case scenario you are even this year on money and Blount comes off at the end of the year and you get a bonafide player in Beasley
8. Andrew Bogut (10.0) you save 5.2 this year but are over the tax next year and how does he fit with Memo and Millsap
9. Bobby Simmons (10.5) and Brook Lopez (2.5) -- not sure the Nets would trade Lopez
10. Tyson Chandler (11.8) - you save 1.6 this year but Chandler is under contract for 12.7 next year
11. David West (9.1) and Rasual Butler (3.9) - not help this year but you have West at 8 million next year which could keep you close on lux and only 7.5 the year after. Could add CJ to this package and take Antonio Daniels and get more relief next year.
12. Al Harrington (10.0) - you save 5.2 million this year and he is done at end of year and might fit the Jazz. but makes the Knicks better
13. Andres Nocioni (7.5) and Shareff (6.6) you have Nocioni for 3 years to add toughness and replace Matt

http://www.kjzz.com/fansports/shows/50673402.html

None of these are real rumors. Just ideas that he is floating out there on the radio, so he has something to talk about. He has aslo is throwing the idea out there of letting Millsap walk and trade Boozer for your better future starting pf.

edit: sorry, I forgot that I didn't finish the title. I got distracted.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:12 pm**

It is amazing what he and other Jazz fans think they can get for the Loozer. I do not think you can get much more than cap relief, period. The only way you get a good player is if you take on a bad long term contract which Jazz will not do.

Out of those suggested trades, the opposing team (1-3 and 5-11) no way does it.

The only trades the other teams might do are 4, 12, & 13.

#4 Maggette/Claxton makes sense for both teams. I guess getting Maggette is better than nothing which Jazz would have gotten if Boozer opted out. Maggette, Former Duke, would he still want to play for Jazz after this Loozer fiasco (also former Duke)

#12 Al Harrington wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. Simply helps Jazz little while hurts Jazz #1 pick next year so I say no.

#13 Nocioni/Shareef--about the same result as #4 above but I prefer Maggette because he drives to the hoop and I know he did want to play for Jazz at one time.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:07 am**

I think you can make some of those deals work if you re-sign Millsap and play hardball and not let anyone push you around and try and steal Boozer. If it takes going into the season with Boozer on your roster along with Millsap so be it, but don't let teams take advantage of you.

And the part about how amazed you are at how many fans and Locke think they can get such good value for Boozer...lets just say Locke knows a lot more then you do about the NBA and what can or cannot happen.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:06 am**

I think Locke is way off on the value of Boozer. He's a terrific player, but almost zero of those trades make any sense.

Boozer is in the last year of his deal, and there are lots of teams with cap space next summer. What that means is that if you trade for him, there's a good possibility you'll only have him for next year.

So you've either got to find a team that's ok with a one-year Boozer rental OR you find a team that's confident they can sign him to an extension.

Miami might actually fit both of those categories, so I think they're the strongest potential partner; unfortunately they can't help the Jazz too much with immediate cap relief. If they offered Beasley (as in Locke's deal above) I could live with that, but I really doubt they'll give him up.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:07 am**

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I think you can make some of those deals work if you re-sign Millsap and play hardball and not let anyone push you around and try and steal Boozer. If it takes going into the season with Boozer on your roster along with Millsap so be it, but don't let teams take advantage of you.

And the part about how amazed you are at how many fans and Locke think they can get such good value for Boozer...lets just say Locke knows a lot more then you do about the NBA and what can or cannot happen.

+1

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:11 am**

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I think you can make some of those deals work if you re-sign Millsap and play hardball and not let anyone push you around and try and steal Boozer. If it takes going into the season with Boozer on your roster along with Millsap so be it, but don't let teams take advantage of you.

I don't think you want to go into the season with everyone assuming that Boozer has to be dealt by the trade deadline. That's not good for team chemistry. If the Jazz have decided on Millsap then they should trade Boozer by summer's end.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:33 am**

Actually the only place that does not see the value in Boozer is Utah. ESPN had a poll about who you prefer in the Boozer, Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich trade and 69 % say Boozer nationally with only Utah saying T2 and Oregon picking Hinrich.
Just goes to show how pissed Jazz fans are at him for this past season.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:36 am**

JockRider wrote:Actually the only place that does not see the value in Boozer is Utah. ESPN had a poll about who you prefer in the Boozer, Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich trade and 69 % say Boozer nationally with only Utah saying T2 and Oregon picking Hinrich.
Just goes to show how pissed Jazz fans are at him for this past season.

Part of that is the normal grass-is-greener mentality that happens this time of year. The other part is Utah fans are taking into consideration their team's cap/tax situation and the Millsap situation. Some guy in North Dakota is probably answering that question without respect for contract/roster issues.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:04 am**

You're right about not wanting to go into the season with Boozer on the team knowing he is just going to be traded but its better then freaking out and trading him away for garbage. You need to be patient and make the best deal possible, especially when the deal will more then likely be critical to the teams success for the next 1-4 seasons.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:48 am**

My preferred order:

hoops4life wrote:
Emeka Okafor
Shane Battier and Luis Scola
Bobby Simmons and Brook Lopez
Luol Deng
Andrew Bogut
Mark Blount and Michael Beasley
Chris Kaman

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:54 am**

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:And the part about how amazed you are at how many fans and Locke think they can get such good value for Boozer...lets just say Locke knows a lot more then you do about the NBA and what can or cannot happen.

Bull. Locke is just trying to entertain his audience. Beasley? Okafor? Bogut? Not a chance in hell the other teams make these deals without A LOT of additional concessions by the Jazz, and still not bloody likely. And incidentally, pretty big difference between those guys mentioned and Hinrich- the fact that 32% of the polls respondents DIDN'T want Boozer more than Tyrus or Hinrich puts his value in perspective.

Do you really think Locke's listeners (you) want to hear how little the Jazz can realistically expect in return for Boozer? I didn't think so...

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:06 am**

Do you really think you know more about the NBA and basketball in general then Locke? No you don't.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:47 pm**

JockRider wrote:Actually the only place that does not see the value in Boozer is Utah. ESPN had a poll about who you prefer in the Boozer, Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich trade and 69 % say Boozer nationally with only Utah saying T2 and Oregon picking Hinrich.
Just goes to show how pissed Jazz fans are at him for this past season.

Jazz fans are running on emotion rather than rationality! One duck in the water and like a school of piranas the feeding frenzy begins. No knowledge, no thought, no reasoning, no common sense. And you're all convinced you're spouting the gospel. The rest of the world is wrong and we're in the right!

Slow down people, BREATHE. You're gonna bust. There are multiple good reasons why the poll is overwhelmingly in favor of Boozer. If you can't see them, you're being blinded by your prejudices! Which leads to rotten decisions!!

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:59 pm**

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Do you really think you know more about the NBA and basketball in general then Locke? No you don't.

Dude, get your nose out of Lockes ass....are you his boyfriend or something?

Locke is nothing but a pencil necked nerd with a calculator....he was wrong so much on draft night that I was starting to feel sorry for him, then the Jazz end up picking the guy he had been screaming would be a bust and he about broke his ankles trying to spin out of that one.

Locke is very overrated.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:09 pm**

stevebozell wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Do you really think you know more about the NBA and basketball in general then Locke? No you don't.

Dude, get your nose out of Lockes ass....are you his boyfriend or something?

Locke is nothing but a pencil necked nerd with a calculator....he was wrong so much on draft night that I was starting to feel sorry for him, then the Jazz end up picking the guy he had been screaming would be a bust and he about broke his ankles trying to spin out of that one.

Locke is very overrated.

No I'm not his boyfriend but you can be mine if you want.

I'm sorry you think your all high and mighty with more knowledge about the NBA and basketball then people who have jobs because of their superior knowledge and understanding of sports. Obviously Ive made a horrible mistake and should bow down and kiss your feet and give you your own radio show so I can listen to your marvelous preachings of sports knowledge. You know much, much, much more about sports then the professionals do.

But IMHO...your very stupid.

I'm also sorry to hear that you think the Jazz should let the league push them around and bully them into a crap deal, we all know what Boozer is worth and we should figure that the Jazz know what he is worth too. They will not accept a deal that is going to ruin this teams chances of winning. It will probably take keeping Boozer on the team along with Millsap going into the season but they will make a good deal happen.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:12 pm**

locke was a voice for the sonics for awhile and he always came off as sort of a dreamer type of guy who made up wild trade scenarios. more like your typical realgm poster than a guy who's supposed to be in the know.

that said he did break a few stories in seattle and his legit information was usually reliable.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:51 pm**

slick... is OKC interested in David Lee?

I like the possibility of a NY/OKC/Utah three way deal revolving around Boozer to NY, Lee S&T to OKC and cap relief/draft picks to Utah.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:02 pm**

We would be better off not making NY better and just letting Boozer expire.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:18 pm**

slick_watts wrote:locke was... more like your typical realgm poster than a guy who's supposed to be in the know.

Exactly. The point I'm making is that his fantasy trade scenarios are not remotely realistic and he puts them out there knowing full well that there is no way they can happen. He is an entertainer, and if you find him entertaining, great. Generally I avoid sports talk radio like the plague, but he's so damned annoying that I was still pleased when he left Salt Lake.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:20 pm**

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote: No I'm not his boyfriend but you can be mine if you want.

You wish

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote: Obviously Ive made a horrible mistake and should bow down and kiss your feet and give you your own radio show so I can listen to your marvelous preachings of sports knowledge.

Thats very true....but nevertheless, radio is not about "knowing" anything, its about entertaining people. All of these fantasy trades Locke comes up with are very entertaining, but people with a brain realize the other team has to agree to the trade also.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:But IMHO...your very stupid.

One of many spelling/grammar mistakes by you in this post...but yeah, I'm the stupid one.

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