Jazz/GSW Trade

HolyToledo · Post #1 » by **HolyToledo** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:52 pm

GSW are desperate to trade Jackson as well as lower payroll to sell the team. The Jazz should jump on this and get their center of the future in Beidrens. I think GSW are so desperate that they throw in their #1 pick. Here is a suggested trade.

The Jazz get Biedrens, Maggette, Jackson, and GSW #1 pick in 2010.

GSW get Harpring, Boozer, Korver, Fess, and Brewer

Jazz do it to get defensive center and veterans to make run at championship plus add another lottery type pick. Jackson is not well liked by the Jazz but he has been on championship teams and been a big part thereof. If the Lakers can deal with Artest, why cant the Jazz deal with Jackson.

GSW are deparate to sell team and get rid of Jackson and expiring contracts have great value especially for a team for sale or having financial difficulties.

Jazz Lineup:

PG Williams Price Maynor
SG Jackson Maggette Miles Price
C Biedrens Memo Kosta
PF Millsap Memo AK-47
SF Maggette AK-47 Matthews Miles

Matt007b · Post #2 » by **Matt007b** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:26 pm

the only part I really don't like is korver in that trade (a fan favorite and outside shooter which we do need from time to time)

Brewer as well..well..i'm on the sideline... I'm pretty sure the Jazz management are happy with brewer although I do wish he would work on the outside shooting more but he's like a younger version of maggette who doesn't get to the free throw line as often..

But Harping Boozer and much as I like Fess's potential (if he would get serious) are all trade bait. But a trade like this to happen? I don't think so..this would be the biggest trade in the history of the Jazz. I see Jackson going to Dallas or Houston honestly but who knows. IF a trade does happen I think it happens near the trade deadline, this way KOC can finally grade his needs and priorities in the final year of boozer's contract.

I do like Jackson on the court, he can produce and would really give teams a headache with lineup issues with milsap and okur out there as far as shooting... off the court he's being a jerk to golden state which doesn't help his trade value, most golden state fans want him gone for very little they just want him gone..and I've always like Maggette but his contract is a bit harsh and the fans do not think highly of him. Biedrens is very talented for a tall guy. I don't think they want to give up a #1 unless it was protected very well.

anyway interesting trade. I would be very shocked if something like this happened. .02

Post #3 » by **loserX** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:42 pm

No to Maggette, and #$@*&^ no to Jackson. Trading expirings for those 3 would keep us in the luxury tax until the end of time. And (thank goodness) pretty much no chance KOC or Sloan have anything to do with Jackson while he's mid-tantrum.

(I'm also not sure the Warriors give up Biedrins and an unprotected pick when they could end up losing every one of our guys in FA, except possibly Brewer.)

seejaydeja · Post #4 » by **seejaydeja** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:22 pm

why the hell would we give up booz (20/10 guaranteed this season) brewer (one of the best slashers in the nba) and korver (i hate him most of the time, but when he's on he's on) for stephen jackson (arguably one of the worst team players in the nba) and maggette (**** contract, i prefer brewer).

the only upside to this is biedrins and the pick, but jazz giving up way to much

just wait till boozer starts averaging 25/13 a game, then hopefully toledo will stop with these garbage threads. boozer isn't going anywhere, at least not till the trade deadline when his value is through the roof.

kebutah · Post #5 » by **kebutah** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:42 pm

Teams that make changes of this size before the season starts do not make runs at championships. Not only taht,, but I am not sure we are a better team after the trade.

Post #6 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:49 pm

Terrible move financially (luxury tax every year) and only so-so basketball-wise.

HolyToledo · Post #7 » by **HolyToledo** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:55 pm

Boozer, Harpring, and Fess for Biedrens and Jackson works as well but GSW less likely to do it because they would want to shed Meggettes contract.

In regards to not trading Boozer, why would you keep him. He is a dominant post player BUT he is gone for sure at end of season. Why is the owner going to pay him 12 million for one year when he leaves at end of this season. Whether Boozer leaves or not will have little impact on the number of wins the Jazz have this year. Either way the Jazz cannot wan championship with the team as situated because their defense is terrible. Getting Biedrens snd Jackson changes the Jazz dramatically from a soft team to a tough team along with improved defense.

Even if Boozer was a perfect citizen, why would you keep him for ONE YEAR at 12 million dollars.

awesomator · Post #8 » by **awesomator** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:13 pm

Because he gives you 20/10 for ONE YEAR and then his salary comes off the cap, after ONE YEAR.

HolyToledo · Post #9 » by **HolyToledo** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:27 pm

awesomator wrote:Because he gives you 20/10 for ONE YEAR and then his salary comes off the cap, after ONE YEAR.

And how is that better than trading for a young center like Biedrens or some other young player that will help Jazz for years to come? No free agent coming to Utah next year as a free agent to replace him. Keeping Boozer will be a huge mistake by the Jazz. If he gets injured again, KOC needs to be fired. No reason for ownership to lose 12 million for this guy. It is not like he is drawing fans to the arena. I would give him away free or buy him out to save cash if no deal available. The mistake of re-signing Boozer needs to end. KOC just trying to save face with ownership but keeping him. He doesnt want to admit he made a mistake by signing Boozer away from Cavs, especially the way it went down.

seejaydeja · Post #10 » by **seejaydeja** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:19 pm

HolyToledo wrote:
awesomator wrote:Because he gives you 20/10 for ONE YEAR and then his salary comes off the cap, after ONE YEAR.

I would give him away free or buy him out to save cash if no deal available.

Why the hell would you buy out one of the most offensively dominant PF's in the league? Booz is gonna work his ass off this year to get paid next year and the FO is taking full advantage of that AS THEY SHOULD.

Who's to say that the Jazz won't move Booz before the trade deadline once his value is up? Why press the panic button and throw him away for nothing when you could be a little patient and reap the rewards later?

Soul Patch · Post #11 » by **Soul Patch** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:08 pm

Damn straight Seejaydeja. We've got a solid front office that won't panic and hurt the team. Trading Boozer for nothing hurts us more than keeping him until his value is up.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #12 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:58 am

kebutah wrote:Teams that make changes of this size before the season starts do not make runs at championships. Not only taht,, but I am not sure we are a better team after the trade.

Boston Celtics...

majortripps69 · Post #13 » by **majortripps69** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:16 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:
kebutah wrote:Teams that make changes of this size before the season starts do not make runs at championships. Not only taht,, but I am not sure we are a better team after the trade.

Boston Celtics...

True, but they are a couple of seasons away from being a lottery team again. They gave up the future for a win now situation with those trades. It worked once, but they are no longer the dominant team in the East. I would give that to Orlando now with Cleveland a close second, Boston is third.

Utah will not do this as they will not mortgage the future on a short term run.

kebutah · Post #14 » by **kebutah** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:29 pm

Boston got Kevin garnett and Ray Allen-there are no players of that caliber involved for use in this deal.

jazzrock · Post #15 » by **jazzrock** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:17 pm

majortripps69 wrote: True, but they are a couple of seasons away from being a lottery team again. They gave up the future for a win now situation with those trades. It worked once, but they are no longer the dominant team in the East. I would give that to Orlando now with Cleveland a close second, Boston is third.

Utah will not do this as they will not mortgage the future on a short term run.

I would love to become a lottery team if it means that we get a championship. This trade idea wouldnt do it for us. However, I would absolutely mortgage off pieces if it means we get a championship. The Celtics took a huge risk and mades some gigantic trades. They went from a lottery team to a championship team. Even if they are in the lottery 2 years from now, they can still say they won a championship from their decisions. Something the Jazz will never say because the Jazz do not take risks......

seejaydeja · Post #16 » by **seejaydeja** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:39 pm

Comparing the trade above to getting KG and Allen is laughable. /thread

jazzrock · Post #17 » by **jazzrock** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:02 pm

seejaydeja wrote:Comparing the trade above to getting KG and Allen is laughable. /thread

Nobody is comparing this trade to KG and Allen. Read the posts before you think that ALL threads need to get cut.

KG and Allen were brought about kebutah said teams that make big changes before the start of the season do not make runs for a championship. Clearly Boston made big changes and won a championship.

Maybe a new thread should be started to discuss if the Jazz would have a better chance at a championship if they were to make a large change and take a chance.

David Ginola 14 · Post #18 » by **David Ginola 14** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:42 am

Thsi trade should be fantastic....
Vut Golden State shouldbe happy...??
I don't think....

ILOVEIT · Post #19 » by **ILOVEIT** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:17 pm

How about Monta Ellis, Brandon Wright (out this year but major upside and cheap!)
For Boozer.

kebutah · Post #20 » by **kebutah** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:09 am

As Boston demonstrated big trades can lead to big improvement. I do not see this trade in the same perspective. I think Jackson is a quality wing with issues but Biedrins is a center with severe limitations He is decent defensively but horrible offensively.