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So I was wondering how deron is doing on defending is man.

Nuggets game
Billups scored 25 points, 6.5 above his seasonal average of 18.5
Warriors game
Davis scored 21 points, 7.3 above his seasonal average of 13.7
Rockett game
Brooks scored 19 points, .7 above his season average of 18.3
Maveriks game
Jason Kidd scored 19 points, 11.6 above his season average of 7.4
Spurs game
Parker scored 21 points, 6.2 above his season average of 14.8
Kings game
Evans scored 32 points, 21.8 above his season average of 11.2

The way I see it the other teams point guard is going to average additional 9 points playing Deron.
I am just pointing this out to those of you who always give Deron a pass and bag on boozer. He is the leader and this should not happen. Did Stockton ever get dominated in his Prime like this?

but, but, but, he's way better than Paul (only in the head-to-head matchups) and that's all that matters in the end.

-CM

We have terrible interior defense. Our rotations suck. Our bigs have NO lateral quickness. That has more to do with it than Deron being bad.

But I do agree to an extent. He has never been known for good defense. Probably more like average. That just adds to our whole team having sucky defense.

BTW, looking at season averages this far into the season is a joke.

Stock took a lot of gambles in going for the steal, knowing he had stellar defensive protection at the rim (man mountain Mark Eaton, anyone? Not to mention 'the elblow' Karl Malone, Greg Oostertag, Antoine Carr and others- all tougher, better individual and team defenders than anyone Deron has ever played with). The problem with this team is team defense; blame can be spread pretty evenly between all of the players for lack of effort and focus and the coaching staff for sticking with a system which makes no sense in todays NBA, and couldn't be more ill-suited to this roster.

You mean not guarding the 3 whatsoever and focusing on our interior defense, which lets guys get to the rim untouched half the time? Yeah, that system could use some major revamping, especially considering how many teams are focused on the 3 point shot compared to when Jerry started coaching.

Deron wasn't guarding Evans since Evans was playing the Shooting Guard position with Rodriguez and Udrih playing the point......

Not that Deron doesn't need to improve his defense.......

Deron was also guarding Jason Terry for most of the Maveriks game as well, while Brewer guarded J-Kidd.


Deron's defense is just fine. The team's defense is pretty decent so far, though our lack of understanding in guarding the 3 point line is getting to be a real sore spot for me. Our problems have been mainly *GULP* on offense thus far. Our defense is improving and you can see the effort for stretches. Consistency will come with continued emphasis. Its our inability to score the ball, get the same amount of easy buckets we've become used to, and stretch the defense with competent outside shooting that is costing us in games--and also hurting our defense, btw, as a bad shot on offense usually equals an easy score on the other end.

Deron's defense could definitely stand to improve, but it's not a big problem by any means. I have to wonder if you watched any of those games, considering that Billups, Kidd and Evans all did the vast majority of their scoring against defenders other than Deron. When you consider that in addition to how poor our interior defense is, you realize that Deron's d really isn't the issue. It's not stellar, but it's AT LEAST average. One more thing: Parker may be averaging 14.8 ppg so far this season, but he's consistently been around 20 the last few seasons. Thus, the fact that he scored 21 against us (and basically didn't do anything in the second half) doesn't really worry me.

Stockton always had a shot blocker to back him up, so you can't make a fair comparison there until Deron plays in a similar situation.

code_monkey wrote:but, but, but, he's way better than Paul (only in the head-to-head matchups) and that's all that matters in the end.

-CM

+ 1, many says Paul > D-Will...but everytime D-Will matchup Paul...D-Will wins!

Paper Face wrote:Stockton always had a shot blocker to back him up, so you can't make a fair comparison there until Deron plays in a similar situation.

Stockton could also hand-check.

erudite23 wrote:... The team's defense is pretty decent so far, though our lack of understanding in guarding the 3 point line is getting to be a real sore spot for me. Our problems have been mainly *GULP* on offense thus far. Our defense is improving and you can see the effort for stretches. Consistency will come with continued emphasis. Its our inability to score the ball, get the same amount of easy buckets we've become used to, and stretch the defense with competent outside shooting that is costing us in games--and also hurting our defense, btw, as a bad shot on offense usually equals an easy score on the other end.

I've been around that line of thinking for a long time now. The Jazz have enough D when they really focus on it and in good stretches. It's our offense the thing that just get stalled and cost us the games.

- Houston got easy layups for sure, but they were important because our offense didin't produce
- @DAL, up by 16, you only need to mantain just a little below average offensive production to win...
- vs SAC our offense produced 29 points in 22 minutes.... that's 15 points for a quarter in a span of almost 2 quarters...

You just don't win games that way.

Wiliams need help in the wings... ballhandling and points.... a shooting guard should not get 8 points in a perimeter oriented NBA...

I also think you haven't watched many games and are making assumptions based off of a box score.

If you had actually watched, If you understand the effect of the hand checking rule change, you wouldn't have made this stupid thread.
The Problem isn't Williams, It is the crappy interior defense. Watch Boozer, Coaches and scouts from opposing teams certainly do. He has this TERRIBLE habit of stepping out of the way of smaller guards who are penetrating from the top of the key. He literally steps aside like a matador.
It bugs the heck out of me and I have started actively watching for it.
He does it time after time after time. it would make a huge difference if he actually stood his ground and took a charge, or tried to alter the shot.

Also at fault, IMO, is Sloan's insistence on collapsing on the inside. Over the last decade or so teams have moved to shooting the 3 a lot more freely, and we need to adjust our defense. I'd rather give up 65-70 percent shooting inside than 50 percent shooting from wide-open 3s

The problem is very simple for why PG's light up the Jazz and it isn't all Deron's fault like some people are claiming.

Is Deron prime Bruce Bowen? No, he isn't, but he is a solid defender (just look at the last play of the Knicks game.)

There are two reasons why the Jazz are getting abused by opposing PG's.

1: Every single team playing against the Jazz right now is running a simple high pick and roll, forcing Deron and Boozer/Okur to switch, and then the smaller quicker guard explodes to the hoop for a lay up or easy foul shots. Neither Boozer or Okur can guard a player who can put the ball on the floor. So either the PG gets to the rack on one or two dribbles, or they get foul shots when the game goes into the penalty. The Jazz just don't defend the pick and roll well at all. It comes from poor feet from our bigs, not Deron.

2. The Jazz collapse when playing low post defense to help Boozer and Okur. When Deron leaves his man, which Sloan has always had the Jazz do the opposing big simply kicks the ball out to the open shooter. SImple basketball. When Deron leaves his man, the SG or the SF needs to slide over to guard Deron's man, fron there the other of the original SG or SF slides to the next man and so on and so forth. It there's no defensive rotation you are going to end up giving up open three's all night long like the Jazz do.

My guess is those make up for 75% of the points scred against Deron. If you execute against the Jazz, it shouldn't be hard to get a good shot every trip down the floor.