It's time to vent.

[jazzfan1971]

I've had it with the Jazz. I don't know that I've ever been this down on the team. I just don't like the brand of ball that they play, or the effort I'm seeing on the floor. There is way too much money being spent on a team 2nd to last in the West.

I'm hoping to see a Boozer trade before the deadline. As he's a lightning rod for my anger. I'd just like to see him out of a Jazz jersey.

I'd rather go back to the days when AK was the best player on the team than watch this trainwreck of a team.

/rant

[rick333]

I've had it with the Jazz. I don't know that I've ever been this down on the team. I just don't like the brand of ball that they play, or the effort I'm seeing on the floor. There is way too much money being spent on a team 2nd to last in the West.

I'm hoping to see a Boozer trade before the deadline. As he's a lightning rod for my anger. I'd just like to see him out of a Jazz jersey.

I'd rather go back to the days when AK was the best player on the team than watch this trainwreck of a team.

/rant

Amen. Simply Pathetic. Hell I couldn't even watch the damn game. Instead I was out trying out Wii Fit with my wife and kids. The whole team is a mess. Even our fearless leader, D Will, got lit up by another rookie. All I saw was the stats, but you don't lose a game like this at home.

[edfmx86]

im sick of this system.

[BlazertheGreek]

Blazer fan here, why do you think the Jazz are struggling so much? Is it the chemistry, the coach, the system, the players. You guys have good players on this team, there is no reason for the Jazz to be struggling like this. Hell, the Blazers are playing with their summer league team and Brandon Roy and are somehow still keeping pace (miraculously).

I was hoping for a Jazz win tonight against Denver. What needs to be done to get the Jazz back on track?

[outerspacefella]

...I was hoping for a Jazz win tonight against Denver. What needs to be done to get the Jazz back on track?

Easy. Just to blow this completely flawed roster up.

[seejaydeja]

Ugh, I've been trying to defend this team for too long. I thought they would come around, and start winning but I don't know anymore. There's not heart on this team. It's time to move Booze, everybody knows he won't be here next season and I think it's affecting everyone.

[DelaneyRudd]

ASTERISK! x 1000

[Neon Black]

It's so much more satisfying to see a team of average players with some heart grinding out a 42 win season than a team of expectant all-stars waste away their "talent".

The most hopeless thing about this all is that we all know our management is not likely to ever do **** about it.

I'm going to start working every evening this week and will be missing Jazz games. Normally I would be upset about it but I honestly don't care much. 6-8 hours of my week will be put to better use.

Hopefully O'connor and everyone else involved eventually gets the hint:

The crowds at ESA are quiet this year and our famous homecourt advantage is fading rapidly. Maybe a season of losing will be good for this team in the long run.

[HammerDunk]

Get rid of Memo and Boozer. Do whatever it takes to get it done. Just do it. I would rather have AK's terrible contract than the black hole that is Memo on the road. He is becoming a huge liability to this team. Boozer just lacks the effort. That's what I think.

[drivewayball]

For the life of me, I don't understand why the Jazz don't start Kirilenko and give him 30 some minutes a game.

1) It would seem that the team's highest priority is to trade away his contract. If he plays so little that he can't put up numbers, how are you possibly going to garner interest in a trade?
2) Does anyone actually think that the Jazz are a better team with CJ Miles on the floor than Kirilenko? Why does Miles play at all?

[JDubJazz]

/rant

For the past 4 years the Jazz's front office just keeps feeding us the "young team getting better" crap. The fact of the matter is, the team is not improving, its slowly rotting. The players are mostly unlikeable and the product on the court is mediocre at best. I could honestly care less if the Jazz blew the whole thing up, because these guys are doing nothing to garner my devotion as a fan. I can honestly say the Jazz can trade anyone on their roster (D-Will included), and I just won't be that upset. There are those who argue against change for change sake, but this team needs to do something to mix it up, because right now, I don't even bother to watch more than a quarter before I'm usually so disgusted that I go do something else.

/pause rant

[ND Jazz Man]

I agree with blowing up the team too. I just dont think Boozer is the problem. Look at his shooting and rebounding. He is not the best defender, but he hasnt been since he has been here. Memo is the one that should be gone. He plays absolutely NO defense and now he cant even hit shots and half the time fumbles the ball when he tries to dribble. I also dont see the point of Andre playing more minutes his defense is nothing like it was either and he cant make any shots. We need to get rid of Memo for a defensive shot blocking center with heart. So frustrating with the money being spent and have no effort. Did we really match CJ's contract to keep him? Why isnt Matthews and Brewer playing at end of games? I at least think they show some heart.

Boozer is not the problem.

[russ1]

This team has so many problems that I don't even no where to start. How many times did our bigs basically role out the red carpet for the nuggets guards, allowing them to glide in for easy layups. We can't shoot, and teams exploit that when they defend us. What is wrong with AK? The dude doesn't even try to block shots anymore. I recall one point in the 4th quarter when he was the only man back, and could have easily blocked the shot of Larsen, but instead let him have an easy layup. How much longer is sloan going to get a free pass? Anyone with common sense can see that he does not get this team motivated enough to play. Why does sloan basically get to pick a roster full of unathletic players who can't shoot? It's absolutely ridiculous. It will be this way as long as sloan is here. He is so against the current trend in the league that he puts together a roster that is exploited by teams, and we are mediocre at best. It's time for a change, but sadly, it won't happen.

[Montanajazz]

Everything you'all say is true. Unfortunately, the big honchos aren't listening. If a group of guys dosn't play consistently, does that not reflect on the coach. Isn't a coach suppposed to be a motivator? All you sloan supporters always pop up and say it's not Sloan. Wow! How much more do we have to see.

Okur, Kirlinko and Miles hurt the flow of the game. Why have 2 young bigs sitting on the bench getting no experience while other teams are beating us up in the paint? Why not just let Mathews start and play alot at either forward or guard. He plays with heart! why not make a trade that helps their inside and gives us a real shooting 2 or 3. It may not be just sloan, how about the guy who picks players and makes trades. Does Jerry sloan really run this team?

[Montanajazz]

Wasn't it o'conner who traded away a perfectly solid point guard named Mayner for $$ who could have played very well against the Denvers young point guard Me thinks the owner Miller will sell the team within a year and a half. That may be the only way to get rid of sloan

[Matt007b]

Well I don't blame you guys for venting...I watched the game as well..UGH..

Blazerthegeek: it's the chemistry, and part coaching/front office but mostly it's the chemistry of the team that is totally out of wack. This is basically the same lineup that took us to the western conference finals..maybe it's too many shocks to the system yanking backup players in and out like derek fisher and such but it's the chemistry. Good coach..good GM...players that are not connecting the dots or playing the offense.

Reason I say that, usually in the Jazz offense it's setting screens/hard cuts to the basket while Deron and Boozer do their 'pick and roll' or basically dump it down low to Boozer and he normally should just react to the defense...double team? kick it out.. options are cutters or memo lurking outside the 3 point line. Single team? Attack the basket. On paper it looks great. Doesn't help that Brewer can't shoot buuuut he makes up a little with cutting to the basket especially around the baseline.

Last night it was a game of hot potato, ball goes to boozer and he tries something but then kicks it right back to deron and then deron tries to create something, on his own. Okur is in a slump of sorts..he hit some 3's last night but Deron has very little or NO help in the backcourt as far as creating something. That's why I guess Sloan went with Maynor and deron playing together to create more.. now it's all Deron with the flu trying to do everything. We only have 2 guards right now. On tues. we're supposed to sign some 3rd stringer guard but i'm praying KOC is working some massive trade (ah to dream..).

Also on defense, like everyone else has said. Very little "D" at all. I got pretty upset watching a denver player go court to court.. beat AK to the basket and AK didn't even bother trying to block it (just ran with him). Nice to see Sloan pull him out of the lineup right after that. Memo is not a traditional center, yet we have one sitting on the bench named "Fesenko" who can't get more than a few minutes at best. Odd thing was we were winning more games when Okur was injured earlier this year and had maynor helping Dwill on the court...now we traded him away to help pay a credit card bill. and we refuse to play Fesenko...*SIGH*

My honest feelings...

Jazz have invested so much time and money in CJ/Brewer that i'm sick of it..I don't care if either go or both. If they're part of a package for the future..sayonarra. Matthew's is a better defender and deserves the SG slot maybe with Brewer backing him up.

I like Matthews, he's been the only positive thing this season really..and proves KOC has some talent finding people.

I like Okur but not as a starter, not many centers in the league can shoot a 3..but we're getting killed on defense!

As the salt lake tribune reporter noted in his blog (ross siler):

We’ll see where Jerry Sloan and Co. go from here: There are some small-scale immediate changes that Sloan could opt for, including returning Wesley Matthews to the starting lineup over C.J. Miles, giving Kyle Korver some rotation minutes and giving his young big men - - Kyrylo Fesenko and Kosta Koufos - - greater opportunities.


I'm all in favor of this, get some minutes to Fesenko for gods sake.. let's see what Kosta is worth, and let's start planning for next season because we're going nowhere and fast. Maybe it'll put some fire in some players if they're benched. Korver isn't great but least he can shoot, I know he's injured but he should help some.

On Boozer and Ak.. I dont' care for Boozer..he has a big mouth and I'd actually like to see him ride the bench more. Yes he's talented and he's got his $$$ no matter what but his track record is injuries and saying the wrong thing publicly. Ak wants to retire a Jazz man and I think that's cool.. I don't have a problem resigning him AS LONG AS it's cheap contract, he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Lebron James right now.

The positive news.. we have 2 picks in the first round if we miss the playoffs, and a ton of expirings. If we really wanted to we could even get in the lebron sweepstakes with the right trade and such..there's a ton of opportunity. But if this season is a wash (like I think is..) then PLAY THE ROOKIES, and trade for the future!

*end rant*

[outerspacefella]

Agreed. Coach has to go with some moves here and there righ now, at least just to send a clear message to some of our dudes. To play Fesenko is a must... hell... I swear every time he's got a good game he never see action again for 5 or 6 games (I wonder why... it's almost ludicrous.. not that our starter center is playing good ball). Just start the young fella (and that includes let him make the learning proccess on court... orient him let him handle his mistakes to see if he can learn... he's never had that chance... it's been really an unfair proccess this season with him methinks...).

Williams, Matthews, Kirilenko, Boozer, Fesenko... and go from there.
Use Price, Miles/Korver (when healthy enough), Brewer, Millsap, Okur as the second lineup.

Then make the trades this team need (I insist the better way is to call Houston and ask them what the heck they want for McGrady's contract....)

KOC said, yesterday I think, they're talking to teams about certain players... I'll cross my fingers....

[red4hf]

Venting is fine and good, but nothing's going to happen.......

Sloan isn't going to make any changes, he hasn't in 20 years, why would he do anything now? He's simply not capable of making adjustments.......

KOC isn't going to make any drastic moves, not because there's nothing out there, or because he's a bad GM, but because the ownership simply isn't up to it, the Maynor trade certainly proved that........

This season is simply a throw away, we have to hope we hit a home-run next year with the Knicks pick, otherwise we're in for a long period of mediocraty with Millsap as the starting PF.......

And I pray to God we don't resign Brewer, he's one of the biggest things wrong with the team....... He can't shoot, he can't pass, and his "defense" is horribly overrated, he gambles way too much, he constantly gets beat off the dribble (JJ Reddick anyone?), and he's constantly late getting back on defense.......

[GP]

My greatest fear is that we stay a mediocre team and just miss the playoffs by 2 games, thereby, not getting a good lottery pick AND missing the playoffs. Blow up the team and go for some good lottery picks. As for which players should stay and which should go:

Stay:

Boozer- his contract is expiring and he will be good trade bait.

Mathews- Great player, lets see how he developes

Fes/Koufos- I really like Fes, he just need playing time. Koufos I'm not sure about, but its not like we're dropping a lot of money on him.

DW-Obviously, a guy we need to hold onto. Not many players are better or willing to play for the jazz.

Korver/miles- Korver because his contract is expiring and he can be a trading chip. Miles because we aren't paying this kid a ton of money and he has some potential.

Millsap- Borderline great backup pf, serviceable starter. IF the right trade comes along, he could go.

NYK pick- shouldn't be traded at all, this team is obviously more than 1 or 2 players away (unless that player is dwade or kobe) from being a legit contender, we are closer to rebuilding, for which a high lottery pick would be useful.


Go:

Okur- again not a fan of centers who camp on the 3pt line and don't play defense. Contract is reasonable to move.

AK- Big fan of AK, just not a fan of his contract.

Coaching staff- lets not just blame sloan, his staff isn't great either.

[outerspacefella]

This time I think 2 things concurred that probably could be leading to bigger moves:
1) This roster have clearly demonstrated its mediocrity and flaws...
2) I really think the Maynor move completely ruined any chemistry left... since the money related move Jazz player knows that any of them can follow...
So I think this time moves will be done...