Rate the 5 Jazz Swing Players1

[Montanajazz]

1.Kirlinko-Defense/ and offense when he starts
2.Mathews-Offense and defense/starting or sub
3.Brewer-Defense, Energy, Hustle, team play
4.Korver-Offense-Getting better
5.Miles-Inconsistent, week on defense

Moves miles out of the rotation.
Use Fes More when there are big centers to play against!
Price & Gaines are perfect for backups to Williams-sign Gaines to another 10 day contract!

Koufus and miles expendable

[StocktonShorts]

Pretty much agree. I'm ready to trade Koufos and CJ. Miles' deficiencies have been well-documented and Koufos plays small and hasn't ever looked comfortable on the court.

[majortripps69]

1. Brewer - Great on the ball defense, great in transition. Just don't let him shoot jumpers.
2. Kirilenko - Jekyl/Hyde. You never know which AK shows up. Great help defender, offense is horrible.
3. Matthews - Decent defender, not great. Streaky shooter, rejected by the rim.
4. Miles - Defense suspect, streak shooter. Has all the ability in the world, needs to use it.
5. Korver - Weak on defense, slow. Yes he can shoot, but we don't set him up enough.

Frankly, if you could put them all together into one player, you would have the perfect wing.

[majortripps69]

Pretty much agree. I'm ready to trade Koufos and CJ. Miles' deficiencies have been well-documented and Koufos plays small and hasn't ever looked comfortable on the court.

Given the way Koufos and Miles have played, I doubt anyone in the league would take them on right now. We're stuck with both. CJ's contract is too high for his production, and Koufos just flat out sucks. To be fair to Kosta though, he doesn't get any more than practice time and rarely even makes it on the floor even during a blowout.

[seejaydeja]

AK, Brewer, Matthews, Korver, Miles

I can't remember disliking a jazzman more than Miles. I don't even want to trade him anymore, I wish they'd waive him so Matthews could get a solid 15-20 mpg a night.

[StocktonShorts]

1. Brewer - Great on the ball defense, great in transition. Just don't let him shoot jumpers.
2. Kirilenko - Jekyl/Hyde. You never know which AK shows up. Great help defender, offense is horrible.
3. Matthews - Decent defender, not great. Streaky shooter, rejected by the rim.
4. Miles - Defense suspect, streak shooter. Has all the ability in the world, needs to use it.
5. Korver - Weak on defense, slow. Yes he can shoot, but we don't set him up enough.

Frankly, if you could put them all together into one player, you would have the perfect wing.

I wouldn't say AK's offense is horrible. He actually has the second highest offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) on the Jazz right now (when you throw out Korver's numbers due to small sample size). He also has a very low usage rate (the number of possessions he uses). CJ is almost the exact opposite. He's last on the Jazz in offensive rating and near the top in usage.

So while AK's offense isn't always pretty, he's very efficient. Of course, he's not a $17M player, but we can't change that unless you've got a time machine...

[idajazz]

AK
Brew
Mathews
Korver
Miles

If Korver ever gets healthy he moves up the list.
Mathews will get better with experience.

I think we have seen the best of the rest.
AK and Miles are who I would be looking to move for a defensive big.
I like AK and would love to keep him if the contract fit.

[HammerDunk]

AK
Brew
Mathews
Korver
Miles

I agree with this one.

[The Sheik]

Is this a rating on potential or who has been the best thus far? Because all of these players except Korver have been extremely inconsistent. Everything everyone in here is listing is not shown on a game to game basis by said players.

[Montanajazz]

Who is best for the team this year. If Kirlinko starts, he is in the game and usually finishes.
If Mathews is given consistent minutes, start or sub, He plays consistently. He pays excellant defense and the Jazz are 7-1 when he hits 2 or more 3 pointers. Seems to me he is a better all around player then any of the other wings- Just give him the time sloan, even if he is a rookie. I still love Brewers intensity. defense, steals, assists, and at the basket. Korver and Miles I could let go of along with Koufus. all for a defensive Big man.

[The Sheik]

Ok so here is my analysis:

Ronnie Brewer - has seemed to plateu as an offensive player. He did not improve as much as he did from year 1-2 or even year 2-3. However, he has improved as an all around player. He is rebounding and passing has gotten much better this season.

Kyle Korver - has been absolutely lights out as a shooter when given time. If he is healthy he needs to play. He is a better than 50% to convert on the Harpring Curl and regardless of how he is shooting is respected as a zone threat.

CJ Miles - gets an I for incomplete. Cant rate him other then the fact that he is super inconsistent.

AK - Has seemed to play much better, had the almost 5x5 against Memphis, but then you have a game like last night where he gets 1 rebound in nearly 30 minutes. The problem I have with AK is he has to be happy on offense to contribute in any other way and even then there is no guarantee that he will make an effort outside of scoring. The guy has a 7 ft + wing span and can only manage 1 board?

Matthews - Has been the most consistent and best wing this season IMO. He has heart and most importantly a hunger and desire to prove himself and to play. He makes Korver and maybe even Brewer expendable after this season.

I personally think Sloan should start Korver with Brewer, but have Kyle play only about 16-20 mins a game. The rest of the time at the 3 should be given to AK 28-32 mins. Then you have Matthews and Brewer equally split time at the 2 and the player with the hotter hand that game plays more or less. Basically AK and Brewer should get 25-30 mins and Matthews and Korver the rest. If Korver has a setback or continues to struggle to get into shape then CJ gets another chance.

[Reckless]

1- Korver - he's been on fire, gives the jazz a big long ball threat. You can't look at his stroke and not like it, it's impossible, i think the ball is going in every time he shoots
2- Brewer - defense is improving, still one of the games best athletes, still can't shoot(what happened to his free throw shooting!?!) but he does take good shots at least, efficiency is the key
3- Matthews - i just like this guy, he comes in undrafted and works his tail off, deserves every minute he gets because he plays every game like it's his last
4- Suckilenko - i have been wishing the jazz could trade this wildly inconsistent fool for the past 3 years, wonder why we can't get rid of him Oh yeah because he's a anchor for the team "both game-wise and money-wise" and no one in their right mind would want a player like that
5- Miles below everyone else - happy with his new contract, he's consent to just showing up and going through the motions while on the court. At least Suckilenko looks like he tries half the time, with his "aiiiii" crying for fouls when he attack the basket..Miles on the other hand could care less about basketball now that he's rich. wasted talent.

start Korver, he works best with the starters

[carrottop12]

It's kind of hard to rate these players because of the injuries to CJ and Korver which have just recently allowed us to see them play this season, with that said however here is how I feel.

1. While Kirilenko is obviously the most talented of the bunch, he is too frequent a no show. I have to give the spot to Welsey Matthews. While his averages of 8.5/2/1 are pretty much below the league average, it's hard to argue that he's been anything but a bright spot for the Jazz this year. He plays hard, he turns out big games when the Jazz need him, and he's never done anything to make the Jazz lose a game.

2. Kirilenko has to go here based on the fact that when he is on the floor the Jazz are a better team. He has games where he seems disinterested but when he is on he can be the best player on the floor against any team. His three point shooting has been a great help this season also.

3. Ronnie Brewer has been a disappointment so far for me. I love his hustle, he is the best defensive player the Jazz have against the athletic wingmen league wide, and his athleticism and willingness to use it is unique on this team. However has proven he won't ever be able to shoot the ball, he can't create off the dribble, and his while he has great passing and rebounding skills, they show up to rarely.

4. Kyle Korver is showing exactly what you want from him, and that is the ability to spread the floor. He's the only wing player the Jazz have with the exception of Deron who can do this. However he is naturally limited in what else he can do seeing that he is just an average athlete with slow foot speed.

5. CJ Miles has shown that he's a pure scorer and little else. When his shot is falling he is valuable, when it isn't he's an albatross on the floor and does nothing to help your team.

[ColdBlue]

1) AK if he played for another team, but not in Sloans system. Great passer, can hit the 3, draws fouls, rebounds, steals, disrupts. Imagine this guy playing for Nellie.

2) Brewer is good for 1 or 2 steals/buckets a game, which is huge. His defense is better than everyone but AK. His shot is inconsistent and has a bad rotation on the ball which makes it rim out at times. He needs to look for a pass off of the baseline when the interior collapses on him. He needs to mature a bit still and get confident in his role that is well estabilished.

3) Korver is fluid and the purest shooter. His free throws are huge to end games. He spreads the floor better than any other wing, but his defense is a liability that is exposed because our interior D is so bad.

4) Matthews is the jack of all trades, and fits in Sloans system the best. He doesn't have bigtime athleticism, but he is smart with the ball and has hustle. Also he is a undrafted rook, and financially could allow for more $$ for a position more crucial in Sloan's system. Definitely a keeper and will be fun to watch improve.

5) CJ has a great shot, but it's inconsistent. His defense is atrociously bad, even worse than Korver's, which it shouldn't be because he is athletic and has a little speed. I think most of his problems are mental. He could be a good player in this system, but only if he improves his D and becomes more consistent and finds his role.

[babyjax13]

1) AK - Does a lot of little things that don't show up in stats. Needs minutes at power forward to be his most effective but I am still happy with the way he plays small forward.

2) Korver - Great shooter, team seems calmer with him on the floor; good defender for his physical abilities.

3) Mathews and Brewer - Both good defensively, Brewer more so. Mathews is a good shooter which I like a lot.

4) Miles, CJ.

If you go by talent then the list would be a little different, but if you look at how the players help the team while their on the court I think that this is about it. I am really unhappy with both CJ and Brewer this year.