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The logical fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options. Closely related are failing to consider a range of options and the tendency to think in extremes, called black-and-white thinking. Strictly speaking, the prefix "di" in "dilemma" means "two". When a list of more than two choices is offered, but there are other choices not mentioned, then the fallacy is called the fallacy of false choice, or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses.

False dilemma can arise intentionally, when fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice ("If you are not with us, you are against us.") But the fallacy can arise simply by accidental omission—possibly through a form of wishful thinking or ignorance—rather than by deliberate deception ("I thought we were friends, but all my friends were at my apartment last night and you weren't there.")

When two alternatives are presented, they are often, though not always, two extreme points on some spectrum of possibilities. This can lend credence to the larger argument by giving the impression that the options are mutually exclusive, even though they need not be. Furthermore, the options are typically presented as being collectively exhaustive, in which case the fallacy can be overcome, or at least weakened, by considering other possibilities, or perhaps by considering a whole spectrum of possibilities, as in fuzzy logic.

Bradford wrote:Oh I must have missed the interview when Sloan or Miller said Boozer and Kirilenko will be gone in 2-3 years...

HolyToledo wrote:Boozer is gone after the season!!! Thats a reality and deal with it. The only decent outcome would be a sign and trade using Harprings trad exception so the Jazz get some talent back.

I dont think any of you nor the Jazz management think they will win it all this year so whats the purpose of sitting on your hands other than they are happy with just making the playoffs. For heavans sake, even the lakers are rumored to try and get Nate Robinson from the Knicks.

Wait a Jazz rumor as KOC has finally picked up the telephone....oh damn he was ordering pizza. Pizza with anchovies...what a rebel!!!!

kebutah wrote:We can't do anything: Philadelphia isn't interested in making a trade. The idea behind trades is to improve your team, not just to make a trade. I haven't seen any logicalk trade being discussed which works for both teams that improves our team enough to move us to the next level.

Fido wrote:Why do people think Sloan rules the roost? It is clear that he is consulted on personnel moves--but wasn't he "furious" about the Maynor trade? If he is calling all the shots why did the team make that trade in spite of his objections? And did it make the team worse?

HolyToledo wrote:

kebutah wrote:We can't do anything: Philadelphia isn't interested in making a trade. The idea behind trades is to improve your team, not just to make a trade. I haven't seen any logicalk trade being discussed which works for both teams that improves our team enough to move us to the next level.

Marcus Camby
Haywood
Butler

The Jazz could have gotten all these players without trading their nucleus simply by including the NYK pick and sometype of combo of (Miles and/or Korver). The Jazz simply over value this NYK pick!!!

HolyToledo wrote:

kebutah wrote:We can't do anything: Philadelphia isn't interested in making a trade. The idea behind trades is to improve your team, not just to make a trade. I haven't seen any logicalk trade being discussed which works for both teams that improves our team enough to move us to the next level.

Marcus Camby
Haywood
Butler

The Jazz could have gotten all these players without trading their nucleus simply by including the NYK pick and sometype of combo of (Miles and/or Korver). The Jazz simply over value this NYK pick!!!

JDubJazz wrote:

HolyToledo wrote:

kebutah wrote:We can't do anything: Philadelphia isn't interested in making a trade. The idea behind trades is to improve your team, not just to make a trade. I haven't seen any logicalk trade being discussed which works for both teams that improves our team enough to move us to the next level.

Marcus Camby
Haywood
Butler

The Jazz could have gotten all these players without trading their nucleus simply by including the NYK pick and sometype of combo of (Miles and/or Korver). The Jazz simply over value this NYK pick!!!

Its tough to overvalue something with an indeterminate value. I don't blame them at all for holding on to it. Look at most championship teams; they are built on early round draft picks. How often do the Jazz get those types? Once in 20 years. It might be a long-shot, but if you trade it, then its a non-shot. Like it or not, right now that pick is the Jazz's best hope for winning a future championship. None of the players you mentioned were going to get us past the Lakers anyway, so why mortgage your slim chance for no chance at all?

HolyToledo wrote:Price is better suited as a back up SG because he is clueless on how to run an offense.

Bradford wrote:

HolyToledo wrote:Price is better suited as a back up SG because he is clueless on how to run an offense.

Clueless? Last night he made many hustle plays, along with some great passes at the end of the 3rd, beginning of the 4th quarter that helped the Jazz win.

HappyProle wrote:

Bradford wrote:

HolyToledo wrote:Price is better suited as a back up SG because he is clueless on how to run an offense.

Clueless? Last night he made many hustle plays, along with some great passes at the end of the 3rd, beginning of the 4th quarter that helped the Jazz win.

You're both right. Ronnie Price makes a lot of hustle plays, but he's much worse at running the Jazz offense than, say, Eric Maynor. That doesn't mean that he's not valuable, but in my eyes he's not the ideal backup PG for the Jazz.

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